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September 19, 2016, 08:45:55 PM +0100 - Bryar - UKGTL Season 16 Old Geezers 1960 Trans-Am
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EvilClive
 Blue Moose Racing
Shelby Mustang TA (#66088) GTC-65 4 +0.923
70.906mph
1 41:12.217
69.705mph
30 1:20.927
70.980mph
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 Kerb Crawlers
Pontiac Firebird (#68026) GTC-65 2 +0.461
71.312mph
2 +0.406
69.694mph
30 1:20.915
70.991mph
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Ziu Bacubacu
  OLD SCHOOL RACING TEAM
Pontiac Firebird (#68048) GTC-65 1 1:20.089
71.723mph
3 +17.424
69.217mph
30 1:20.813
71.080mph
Goodyear  
phspok
 Team Pseudo Racing
Mercury Cougar TA (#48) GTC-65 3 +0.698
71.103mph
4 +17.755
69.208mph
30 1:21.505
70.477mph
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Erling G-P
 TEAM-GTLDK
Plymouth Barracuda (#68348) GTC-65 5 +1.473
70.428mph
5 +19.129
69.170mph
30 1:22.079
69.984mph
Goodyear  
Bob M.
  OLD SCHOOL RACING TEAM
Shelby Mustang TA (#66029) GTC-65 7 +2.838
69.268mph
6 +23.336
69.053mph
30 1:22.261
69.829mph
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Jeep
 TEAM-GTLDK
Pontiac Firebird (#68026) GTC-65 8 +2.895
69.221mph
7 +1:08.365
67.829mph
30 1:22.867
69.318mph
Goodyear  
55steve55
 TEAM-GTLDK
Pontiac Firebird (#68018) GTC-65 6 +2.773
69.323mph
8 +1:16.501
67.613mph
30 1:22.217
69.866mph
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 Clark-Hill Racing
Chevrolet Camaro Z28 (#3) GTC-65 10 +3.433
68.775mph
9 +1:21.930
67.469mph
30 1:23.496
68.796mph
Goodyear  
SpecialKS
 TEAM-GTLDK
Shelby Mustang TA (#66022) GTC-65 9 +2.922
69.198mph
10 +17L 13 1:22.970
69.232mph
suspension
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BillThomas
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66.143mph
11 +24L 6 1:28.600
64.833mph
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« on: November 22, 2015, 06:42:41 PM +0000 »

Championship standings HERE

Grid/server capacity: 20

Track: Bryar Motorsports Park Download this


Cars allowed: Mercury Cougar TA from the 1960's carset Download this , Chevrolet Camaro Z28 from the 1970's carset Download this , '66 Shelby Mustang TA, 340 Plymouth Barracuda and the 1968 Pontiac Firebird all from this carset Download this

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Practice: ~19:20 (60 mins)
Qualifying: 20:20 (20 mins)
Race: 20:40 (30 laps)

Time of Day Setting: 14:00
Start: STANDING
Tyre wear: Normal
Fuel consumption: Normal

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« Reply #1 on: August 28, 2016, 07:27:54 PM +0100 »

Unfortunately I won't be able to admin or race at this event. So drivers will have push through to qualy and the results/replay will be very late.
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« Reply #2 on: September 12, 2016, 09:21:12 PM +0100 »

I am currently able to admin this one. and should be competing  Cool
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« Reply #3 on: September 12, 2016, 09:44:52 PM +0100 »

I am currently able to admin this one. and should be competing  Cool
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« Reply #4 on: September 14, 2016, 09:50:16 AM +0100 »

Laps increased to 30.
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« Reply #5 on: September 14, 2016, 09:15:20 PM +0100 »

Not too much information on the 1966 Trans Am race at Bryar.  The track was built in 1965 and ran untill 1990 when it was remade into a oval complex for NASCAR called Loudon. The roadcourse was used by SCCA and also motorcycle racing.  The 1966 TA race was 250 miles long and took 3 hours and 40 minutes to complete.  The overall winner was a Lotus Cortina,  second a Plymouth Baracuda and third a Alfa GTA.  I can understand how the better handling Cortina could win on this twisty little track, as the V8s never had a chance to really get much speed up and I bet those old Bias type tires were shreaded in a hurry. 
I did 30 laps in the Mustang this afternoon and by 23 laps or so it was almost a drifting contest to get around the track.  Should be a interesting event......

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« Reply #6 on: September 15, 2016, 03:01:59 PM +0100 »

It s Mickey Mouse track !!!! It would be better  run with a kart !!!!

Careful to lake,  if one fall in the lake his race is finished, already I feel myself like a fisherman.
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« Reply #7 on: September 15, 2016, 08:48:52 PM +0100 »

I guess it does bring a whole new meaning to the phrase "Hey Guys I think I've flooded the engine".

Seriously though, I've driven around on the lake bed and as long as you keep track of your bearings you can drive back out and rejoin without so much as an "Off Track" warning

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« Reply #8 on: September 17, 2016, 06:56:20 AM +0100 »

I guess it does bring a whole new meaning to the phrase "Hey Guys I think I've flooded the engine".

Seriously though, I've driven around on the lake bed and as long as you keep track of your bearings you can drive back out and rejoin without so much as an "Off Track" warning

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« Reply #9 on: September 19, 2016, 06:17:35 PM +0100 »

I hope to be with you guys tonight, after a 3 month break.
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« Reply #10 on: September 20, 2016, 08:03:22 AM +0100 »

First thing Grats to Bob and Attila on win Trans Am champioship with our Team and it was ouur goal also if with Attila ran all races it was more easy but it s right say that it missed Jose at GTLDK so all was balanced  also because Attila and Jose are the best and most fast drivers among us with Geoffers of course.

About race I think that i lost it on the start, Geoffers passed me and i never could have free road my best 1:20,8 but with pace race i could get 1:20,4. The key point has been when Geoffers touched me after taht i passed him so Clive take first place. Clive never mistake , Clive win but really on this track was very difficult overtake but the worst has been when the tyres start to melt specially for braking. Geoffers drove the Firebird like me and we was with the same speed Clive with Mustang was better on the little straights me and Geoffers gain on input corners. The last lap had Geoffers in front to me so i tryed to pass him over tyres possibility and so i gone out of road.

It miss a race me and Geoffers very closed on the standing but if Geoffers will not mistake I cant win. Geoffers will use Mercury and me Camaro and my little experience says that on the layout of Watkins Glenn Camaro not have possibilities against Mercury and also that Geoffers is better than me so i think 98% for Geoffers and  2% for Ziu.....2% is the Geoffers possibility of get a mistake.


Onestly i lost this champioship at Westwood it miss to me 17 points if at Westwood my engine no exploded we was talking about an other story but it s also true that luck or the bad luck don t exist, men invented them for find always some excuses when happen something. It s also true that Geoffers is most strong than me just i can learn from him.

Grats to Clive and Geoffers and thanks for fun race
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« Reply #11 on: September 20, 2016, 09:22:59 AM +0100 »

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« Reply #12 on: September 20, 2016, 10:00:19 AM +0100 »

Can't believe I saved my 2nd Barracuda drive for this track.. (maybe that'll teach me to check all tracks in a series early in the season)  Smiley

It was either the Barracuda or the Camaro, and the former was faster, easier to drive and much easier on the tyres - the Camaro was practically vaporizing the rears.  Fortunately the Camaro was the fastest of the two on the final track, which I also checked, so at least no dilemma about which to use where.

New substantially improved pb in qual, but only good enough for 5th.  For once I shot off the line like a cannonball, maybe helped by a rather extreme diff setting.  All in vain however, when Matt ahead of me failed to move. Had to back off, and tried to steer around him, but by then he had woken up and started moving.  Thus I slotted into my 5th place, which held the entire race.

Kept pace with Matt over the first few laps, but once his tyres warmed I assume, he started to inch away.  Gap behind was growing too, so all in all a relatively lonely race.  Never had more than around 6 secs max gap to the car behind though, so not able to relax.  Early on it was John, but later I didn't know who was chasing me.  Based on the consistency, I suspected it was Bob.  Whenever I had a slow(er) lap and lost time, the gap would almost certainly shrink by the same amount.  Really annoying that he seemed unaffected by tyre wear, as mine were getting worse  Smiley

With a couple of laps to go, I caught up to Matt again, as he must have had an off somewhere. Still faster than me though, and regrettably he didn't make any more mistakes, so not able to nick his place  Wink

Grats to Clive on the win, and Geoff + Ziu for the remaining podiums.  Looks to be an epic struggle for the Championship between the latter two in the series finale  Smiley

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« Reply #13 on: September 20, 2016, 10:03:02 AM +0100 »

Very lucky win for me, but the circuit was my best friend at the end.
After I tried a few laps at this new circuit in a random car, I selected the Mustang simply because it was one of the lightest. My theory being that with all those tight corners and short straights, acceleration out of those corners would be important. I'm not sure how accurately GTL measures certain physics, but I was hoping that a lighter car would put less strain on the tyres too??  
The few laps that I did in the Mustang last Friday evening got me down to a high 1:20, with definite room for improvement. As I was away over the weekend so no further chance to do any practice ( even if I could wangle some free time!!).

At one point I thought that I was going to be mid grid or worse, but a very careful lap hitting braking points and apexes shaved enough off the time to drag me up to 4th, and the second row alongside Matt. Matt is usually quick off the line so I was expecting a tough time into T1. Fortunately, I got the power down a little better than Matt and I tucked in behind Geoffers and Ziu. Very careful first laps on cold tyres where I have come unstuck in previous races, but I managed to stay comfortably in touch with the 2 aliens ahead.
Very slowly I was pulling a gap on Matt and did not need to watch my mirrors quite so closely as the pace increased ahead. I was driving as fast as I felt safe and was just holding the gap to Geoffers at around 2 secs with Ziu between us. Close enough to benefit from any "incidents" but hopefully far enough back not to become involved.
For lap after lap Ziu was trying to find a passing opportunity, but this track offers little chance if the cars are equal and the guy in front does not make a mistake. By now I had about 5 secs lead over Matt in 4th place, and was still following the battle ahead which was very entertaining from my seat.
Then Ziu got a good run out of the final corner and put his car alongside Geoffers going into T1. I'm not sure exactly what happened but there was contact and Ziu went grass cutting. Geoffers did the honourable thing and slowed to wait for Ziu and suddenly I was in the lead!!
Until that moment I could see no chance of improving on 3rd and had almost resigned myself to staying there until the end.
By the end of my first lap in the lead I was almost 5 secs ahead of Ziu and Geoffers and reasoned that if I had managed to stay with them for the first half of the race, if I could maintain the same pace they would have to work VERY hard.
That all worked fine for many laps and the gap reduced only slightly, which a quick bit of mental arithmetic confirmed that I would still be ahead at the end even if they continued to close at that rate.
Well it should have been comfortable, but as the tyres wore down the handling became a little less certain. I just missed my braking point at the final turn and could not prevent the car taking to the grass. A great deal of wheel twiddling and gear changing prevented the Mustang from spinning, which would have been disastrous. I just got my car back on to the tarmac before Ziu and Geoffers came thundering up behind!!
With 10 laps left and zero lead over two very fast drivers, this was going to be a tough end to the race.
Those last ten laps were an exercise in defensive driving and how to sweat profusely!!
I noticed that both Ziu and Geoffers were struggling to get the power down out of the corners ( probably as a result of their tyres being worn) but I found that I could squeeze a few tenths out of the corners and brake safely for the next as they closed up again.
This tactic worked perfectly on such a tight track and I held the lead to the flag.
Grats to Geoffers and Ziu for making that such a tight race, and thanks to the person who chose that track for this series, as I doubt I could have held them off on a more open circuit.
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« Reply #14 on: September 20, 2016, 03:55:33 PM +0100 »

I selected the Mustang simply because it was one of the lightest. My theory being that with all those tight corners and short straights, acceleration out of those corners would be important. I'm not sure how accurately GTL measures certain physics, but I was hoping that a lighter car would put less strain on the tyres too??

I found it interesting what you wrote Clive, but the American Muscle Car choice does not depend on weight, but on the type of driving and gear style. I take this opportunity to say that there is no absolute value in these cars so put restriction rules in this league is a relative thing (it's not a criticism, Tony did a great job). For example, I can say that out of 10 races that I have chosen 8 times Firebird and Firebird for you is not the best car if you do a poll. When I drove on GCMCL my car was Firebird, Barracuda ,Roadrunner sometime Mustang (only Monza or Stardust) Mercury, Camaro SS 1969 and one time only Camaro Z28 just Zandvoort (I was flying with these car Zandovoort).
Why 8 times Firebird? Because it is the only car where I can set the correct tyres pressure for my style driving. When I choose another machine it s only because gear was better than Firebird.
Yesterday, I got pole and I could get victory (without Geoffers in front to me) because the Firebird package + Ziu was good.
I can say that Barracuda was not the best choice here too long gear 4.
You have good performance with Mustang, because it was good for you and Mustang car is soft almost like Mercury and you win with Mercury, you was flying with it. In Whatkins Glenn I have no chance with Camaro Z28  I needed Barracuda or Mercury as Geoffers, but it was there Roadrunner I choice it for sure.
But with these cars the concept is choose the car right for own style driving.
It s all relative I saw drivers winning with heavy cars.
I remember a battle between me and Attila in Zolder, me Firebird and Attila Dodge Charger, too differents cars but same lap times !!!!!

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