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November 29, 2015, 10:35:44 PM +0000 - Balcarce - UKGPL Season 29 (2015-16) Privateers Trophy (67)
Driver
 Team
Nat. Make Model Class Qualifying Race
Tyres Pos Time/Gap Pos Time/Gap Laps Stops Best Retirement
reason
Ballast
dave curtis
 Black Night Racing
Ferrari 312 (1967) F1 1967 2 +0.498
108.095mph
1 51:53.535
105.449mph
32 1:34.498
108.574mph
Firestone  
bagrupp
 
Brabham BT24 (Repco) F1 1967 1 1:34.419
108.665mph
2 +6.594
105.227mph
32 1:35.148
107.832mph
Goodyear  
Billy Nobrakes
 Black Night Racing
Brabham BT24 (Repco) F1 1967 6 +2.156
106.239mph
3 (+1) +59.016
103.488mph
32 1:36.716
106.084mph
Goodyear  
Ronnie Nilsson
 Soggy Bottom Racers Club
Cooper T81b (Maserati) F1 1967 7 +2.775
105.562mph
4 +1L
101.336mph
31 1:38.457
104.208mph
Firestone  
francesco
 Antipasti Racing
Brabham BT24 (Repco) F1 1967 5 +1.884
106.539mph
5 (+1) +0.335
101.325mph
31 1:37.228
105.525mph
Goodyear  
bernie
 Soggy Bottom Racers Club
Brabham BT24 (Repco) F1 1967 4 +1.498
106.968mph
6 +19.593
100.707mph
31 1:35.979
106.899mph
Goodyear  
Michael Turner
 Soggy Bottom Racers Club
Ferrari 312 (1967) F1 1967 10 +4.466
103.757mph
7 +33.355
100.270mph
31 1:38.132
104.553mph
Firestone  
Walter Conn
 WSL Racing Team
Honda RA300 F1 1967 11 +9.188
99.028mph
8 +3L
94.538mph
29 1:39.050
103.584mph
Firestone  
cg7aa
 
Ferrari 312 (1967) F1 1967 3 +0.574
108.008mph
9 +4L
106.622mph
28 1:34.914
108.098mph
Disco
Firestone  
philippe GIRARD
 Blue Moose Racing
Brabham BT24 (Repco) F1 1967 8 +3.647
104.624mph
10 +26L
101.271mph
6 1:37.258
105.493mph
Disco
Goodyear  
il_lupo_mannaro
 Black Night Racing
Brabham BT24 (Repco) F1 1967 9 +3.760
104.503mph
11 +27L
97.720mph
5 1:38.750
103.899mph
Disco
Goodyear  
Gareth
 
BRM P115 F1 1967 13 12 +32L
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0 ---
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Disco
Goodyear  
Billy Nobrakes
 Black Night Racing
Brabham BT24 (Repco) F1 1967 13 DNS ---
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Goodyear  
Michael Turner
 Soggy Bottom Racers Club
Ferrari 312 (1967) F1 1967 14 ---
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Firestone  
60fps UKGPL8
 
BRM P115 F1 1967 12 15 ---
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Goodyear  

Moderator's Report

SUMMARY

Dave Curtis wins the race in a Ferrari, also setting fastest lap, in front of Bastian Grupp in a Brabham. Billy Nobrakes rounds out the podium in another Brabham.

After moderation Billy will lose his podium and Ronnie Nilsson will inherit 3rd place.

A heartbreak for George Cheeseman, having electrical problems in the Ferrari while having a dominant lead. A very consistent drive that was not rewarded. Tough luck mate!

To be fair, the race had a messy start and none of the incidents were reported. There was some lack of awareness, lag and a lack of care that led to them. But I have to be consistent and will not moderate unreported incidents. In the future I might submit incidents myself, especially after the start on Lap 1, even when the Red Zone has been cancelled this season. On the other hand there was some wrong reporting, with the wrong driver names and times. Please report incidents with the right drivers involved, and the right server/racetimes, to avoid confusion.

All S&G were performed according to the rules.


Server replay time: 0h06m50s

This incident was reported by Ronnie saying Philippe was involved. However it was Fabio. Entering the tight turn before the chicane, Philippe passes Ronnie clean and Fabio looks to follow through when Ronnie, who was initially wide, steers back at the racing line. The cars touch side by side, they spin but can continue.

Fabio has no overlap whatsoever when Ronnie started to turn-in (06m52s). Ronnie had allowed Philippe enough room to make a clean pass and if you look at his in-car view he doesn\'t start to turn-in until Philippe is visible (06m52s) at which point all of Fabio\'s car is visible in Ronnie\'s right hand mirror. Ronnie went wide because he knew Philippe was on his inside, and then tried to get back on the racing line.

This was a too ambitious attempt to overtake. Since Fabio didn\'t have a chance to report back, the penalty has been cancelled. Please report carefully, Phil has made a useful page how to submit incidents at https://www.ukgpl.com/index.php/moderating/court


Server replay time: 0h07m17s

Bernie is following Francesco, when Fran goes wide into the last slow corner. Bernie sees the gap and goes for it, legitimately, and he also tries to stay as much inside as possible with a lot of steering lock. Fransesco went wide, giving up the inside and instead of giving enough room squeezed Bernie. The cars touch, Fran continues but Bernie is damged and loses a lot of time.

Fran reports he uses to approach that turn with a wide entry and a straightening tight exit. However when cars are close behind you can expect a car to go inside. Bernie sees an opportunity, and does nothing wrong.

If you give up the inside you can only take your normal racing line when the car behind not already has made a move. Francesco could have avoided contact giving room, when Bernie did everything right to stay inside. Use the sound also for judging where cars are, and when you are not sure it\'s better to give room.

Fran strayed onto Bernie\'s side of the track, he should have left Bernie more room.

Simple Side by Side contact: Penalty 1 Place - In a corner, after a legitimate overtaking attempt the cars end up side by side. One driver moves over instead of staying on their own side of the track. Contact is made. Penalty for driver that moves over.


Server replay time: 0h11m50s

Indirectly Reported by Billy and Philippe. Another example of a car going wide, and a car following assuming he can use the inside line. Philippe was quite behind, no overlap at turn in, but since Billy went wide (at the tight turn before the chicane) Philippe sees an opportunity, when Billy drives back on the racing line. The cars touch. Again it\'s similar to the first incident, and in a way also to the the second incident. Billy continues and Philippe spins and retires (out of frustration he reports).

Philippe did nothing wrong, he held a very tight inside line (the overhead view at 11m49s clearly shows Philippe hugging the kerb with the cars side by side). He couldn\'t have done anymore to avoid contact apart from not trying to overtake which is not something we want to encourage. So although I\'m sure Billy didn\'t intend to hit Philippe the responsibility for the incident must be Billy\'s. So this is another Simple Side by Side contact: Penalty 1 Place Scenario 4 because Billy strayed onto Philippe\'s side of the track.

In a corner, after a legitimate overtaking attempt the cars end up side by side. One driver moves over instead of staying on their own side of the track. Contact is made. Penalty for driver that moves over.

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« on: November 24, 2015, 01:53:23 PM +0000 »

Season 29 Privateers Trophy - Round 05 - Balcarce

Autódromo Juan Manuel Fangio is a motorsports circuit located near Balcarce, Argentina. It has hosted events in the Turismo Carretera series. The 2011 race saw tragedy as young Argentinian Guido Falaschi was fatally injured in a multi-car crash.

The track was named after Argentinian racing legend, Juan Manuel Fangio, who was born in Balcarce.

There is a track upgrade available at SRMZ you should use!

Race List = iGOR
Server = UKGPL_8
IP = see iGOR
Race date = Sunday 29-11-2015
Time = 21:00 UK time (21:00 GMT)
Track = Balcarce
Race length = 32 Laps (50 minutes)
Variant = 1967
60fps patch used   = 60fpsV2newmod
Damage Model = Intermediate
Qualifying time = 30-45 minutes

Replays Available here

Driver lists and token rules can be found on the championship standings page

The full time drivers can start to practice as soon as the server is available.  Reserve drivers can also join as soon as the server becomes available but must leave the server with 35 minutes of qualifying left, for a total of 5 minutes; this will allow any remaining full timers to join.  If there is enough space on the grid, the reserve drivers will be able to rejoin when there are 30 mins of qualifying left.  

This Season we don't have a Red Zone. Moderating will be on reported incidents only. If you haven't received a PM about an incident before the link below the results table is removed, you can be sure that you will not appear in the moderator's report.

The chassis token system is explained on the Privateers standings page. Please ensure you choose a chassis that is within your budget, which can be seen by hovering the mouse over your points total in the standings.

Please restrict chat to pit messages including at the end of the race until ALL drivers still racing have crossed the line.

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« Reply #1 on: November 25, 2015, 10:46:57 AM +0000 »

I might be forced to miss this due to ongoing problems with my G25. It has worked perfectly well as a straightforward Plug n Play device for the past 7 years under XP and W7 but after upgrading to W10 I could no longer assign axes and buttons directly in GPL but had to use the Logitech profiler.
Following the recent mega update, it is no longer detected by the Profiler and when I run the  'update Driver' routine I get the message 'The operation requires an interactive window station'.
Apparently this is a problem related to some obscure Windows security systems that requires some deep innards delving or a complete OS reinstall to resolve.
I've tried reinstalling the profiler several times and using various USB sockets to no avail.

Curiously I have an ancient laptop that has been similarly updated with W10 and the Profiler installs on that and recognizes the G25 without issues so I'm not sure why it has taken a disliking to my PC.
I copied my GPL folder over to the laptop in the hope of using that but it froze - presumably because it is underpowered.
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« Reply #2 on: November 25, 2015, 05:27:54 PM +0000 »

That is a shame because I always measure my success by whether I can match your pace.

As a temporary fix, could you could install an older operating system on a separate hard drive for GPL? Then you would have more time to sort the Windows 10 bugs. 
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« Reply #3 on: November 25, 2015, 07:56:21 PM +0000 »

Michael, send Cookie a PM in case he does not read this thread. He is a genius at computer problems. I am a muppet with computers but it might be worth going onto the Logitec site & dowmloading an installer - they might have an update.
I have resisted installing Windows 10 as I feared it would mess up GPL.
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« Reply #4 on: November 25, 2015, 08:09:37 PM +0000 »

Hope you figure it out Michael, I'm still using Win XP...this mobo won't even run W7...
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« Reply #5 on: November 25, 2015, 08:28:17 PM +0000 »

Michael: a quick scan of help forums reveals that you may need to reinstall windows with the device in question plugged in (worked for someone's USB headset on Win8 w/ same error, and Micro$oft was no help whatsoever).

Probably not the answer you wanted to hear, hopefully Cookie (or someone else) has a better one.

GL w/ it, hope you're back up soon.
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« Reply #6 on: November 25, 2015, 09:16:39 PM +0000 »

does this help at all ?

http://www.isrtv.com/forums/topic/18879-logitech-g27g25-windows-10-compatibility-fix/
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« Reply #7 on: November 25, 2015, 09:42:05 PM +0000 »

That's the problem using a "banana" software...

I hope Bernie's link is the solution. Else go back to the ripe W7 Wink
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« Reply #8 on: November 26, 2015, 09:37:37 AM +0000 »

Thanks to all for the replies. I've tried the latest drivers from Logitech as well as various compatibility settings and using different  USB2 and USB3 sockets but without success.
I don't think it's essentially a W10 issue since it installs OK on the W10 laptop and all other devices and controllers are problem free. The problem is with the obscure 'interactive window station' which it seems, from all my Googling, nobody seems to understand.

I think I'll try a vanilla GPL installation on the laptop and take it from there

I'll probably have to do an OS reinstall eventually somewhat reluctantly since that will also mean reinstalling the FSX flight sim plus 500GB of add ons which will take a fortnight to install and tweak Sad
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« Reply #9 on: November 26, 2015, 11:56:15 AM +0000 »

Mike , ceck & make sure you have the right wheel installed in the logitech profiler

Seem to remember I had the same problem with my new pc (win7 ) it was showing a different wheel to the G25 I use , took me ages to twig on 
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« Reply #10 on: November 26, 2015, 12:58:35 PM +0000 »

Bernie, the Profiler doesn't detect the G25
It shows up under  'Devices and Printers' as 'Unspecified' and under 'Devices' as 'Other'. When I click on 'Driver Update' and let Windows search for the driver, it reports that
it found the driver but couldn't install it because of the 'interactive window station' requirement mentioned above
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« Reply #11 on: November 26, 2015, 03:02:19 PM +0000 »

As said i use win7 not sure if this is any help but do have a folder :-

c:/ Programs/Logiteck /Logitech gaming software (or something on those lines ) in there are 2 more folders , one has all the .dll files ( drivers?) + a readme txt help file 
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« Reply #12 on: November 26, 2015, 03:03:49 PM +0000 »

P.S. it does say you need admin rights to run the install  Roll Eyes
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« Reply #13 on: November 27, 2015, 09:16:49 AM +0000 »

Bernie, the Profiler installs OK with those files but seems unable to communicate with the G25 which is presumably linked to the problems installing the driver caused by the 'window station' issue.
I  might try getting it to work with my flight sim hardware - or maybe I should just use the keyboard laugh
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« Reply #14 on: November 27, 2015, 10:28:16 AM +0000 »

No idea about W10 here...

Maybe there is something wrong with your USB drivers Roll Eyes
I had some USB problems when I installed the AMD usb drivers.
They were gone when I deinstalled them and used the W7 onboard drivers.
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