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December 06, 2015, 10:38:21 PM +0000 - Monza (Full 10km) - UKGPL Season 29 (2015-16) UKGPL 69 Extra Trophy
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Nat. Make Model Class Qualifying Race
Tyres Pos Time/Gap Pos Time/Gap Laps Stops Best Retirement
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Doni Yourth
 Blue Moose Racing
McLaren M7 (DFV) F1 1969 4 +0.660
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1 51:28.870
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22 2:18.782
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Firestone  
Cookie
 Antipasti Racing
McLaren M9A F1 1969 3 +0.554
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2 +0.078
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22 2:18.708
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Dunlop  
GregT
 
McLaren M9A F1 1969 2 +0.001
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3 +25.875
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22 2:17.479
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Dunlop  
Rainier
 Black Night Racing
Lotus 49b (DFV) F1 1969 15 +3.566
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4 +40.779
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22 2:20.220
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Firestone  
DLogan
 
Ferrari 312 (1969) F1 1969 1 2:17.704
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5 (+1) +1:05.830
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22 2:20.624
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Dunlop  
Samb
 Black Night Racing
Lotus 49 (1969) F1 1969 6 +0.859
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6 +1:10.177
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22 2:19.863
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Dunlop  
Marco Mercaldo
 Squadra Padova Corse
McLaren M7 (DFV) F1 1969 5 +0.674
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7 +1:10.220
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22 2:20.279
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Firestone  
philippe GIRARD
 Blue Moose Racing
Matra MS80 (DFV) F1 1969 16 +3.837
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8 +1:35.082
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22 2:22.551
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Dunlop  
AnGex
 Black Night Racing
McLaren M7 (DFV) F1 1969 9 +1.598
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9 +1:45.708
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22 2:20.907
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Firestone  
bagrupp
 
McLaren M9A F1 1969 13 +3.370
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10 +2:03.720
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22 2:19.641
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Dunlop  
Baab
 Team Baarf
Brabham BT24 (1969) F1 1969 19 +16.010
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11 +2:12.653
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22 2:21.548
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Firestone  
EvilClive
 Blue Moose Racing
Lotus 49 (1969) F1 1969 14 +3.557
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12 +1L
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21 2:20.769
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Dunlop  
francesco
 Antipasti Racing
Matra MS84 F1 1969 17 +8.094
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13 +2:09.520
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21 2:26.581
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Dunlop  
Gareth
 
McLaren M7 (DFV) F1 1969 12 +2.958
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14 +6L
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16 2:20.139
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Firestone  
Piero Mercaldo
 Squadra Padova Corse
McLaren M7 (DFV) F1 1969 7 +1.039
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15 +11L
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11 2:19.481
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Firestone  
FullMetalGasket
 Black Night Racing
McLaren M7 (DFV) F1 1969 8 +1.207
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16 +12L
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10 2:19.104
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Firestone  
Tom van Ostade
 Antipasti Racing
Cooper T86b (1969) F1 1969 11 +2.563
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17 (+1) +1:02.272
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10 2:23.883
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Dunlop  
Ronniepeterson
 
Matra MS80 (DFV) F1 1969 10 +2.118
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18 +18L
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4 2:19.722
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Dunlop  
Ronnie Nilsson
 Soggy Bottom Racers Club
Lotus 63 (DFV) F1 1969 18 +9.080
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19 +20L
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2 2:28.114
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Firestone  
60fps UKGPL8
 
BRM P126/139 F1 1969 20 DNS ---
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Dunlop  

Moderator's Report

SUMMARY
Doni ends up on the top spot after an eventful race with lots of incidents. Axel grabbed second place with Greg in third. All S&Gs were performed correctly but Piero\'s on lap 4 and Greg\'s on lap 22 should have been closer to the stalls. Only two incidents were reported but there did appear to be many more. The racing with the 69x cars is fast and hectic and there is still a lot to learn when it comes to getting the most enjoyment out of the racing. Incidents are an opportunity to learn but they will not be moderated if they are not reported.


Server replay time: 0h06m19s

Lap 8 - Lesmo 1 - Ronnie Nilsson and Tom van Ostade
Tommie is recovering from an earlier trip onto the grass a Parabolica whilst avoiding a spinning McLaren and is closing on Ronnie through Curva Grande and Ascari. As Ronnie brakes for Lesmo 1 he is rear ended by Tommie and retires from the race.

A check of the first 8 drivers on this lap shows the average for the division is to brake at about 175 yards from about 170 mph. Ronnie breaks for Lesmo 1 from a speed of 164 mph (slightly slower than the average for the division) at about 175 yards (the average for the division) . Tommie brakes at about 175 yards from 169 mph (close to the average in both measures).

Apart from probably having too much wing which is losing him about 15mph top speed, Ronnie did nothing wrong.
Tommie was driving at his normal line and speed and was simply caught out by the better braking performance of Ronnie\'s car.

The margins are very small here, neither driver made a serious mistake. The difference in the performance of the cars (Tommie was driving a wingless Cooper T86b whereas Ronnie was in a high down-force setup Lotus 63) was the major factor. However the responsibility for avoiding contact must reside with the following driver.


Server replay time: 0h23m04s

Lap 10 - Lesmo 2 - Dean Logan, Andreas Gebhardt, Bastian Grupp, Philippe Girard, Piero Mercaldo and Marco Mercaldo
Dean, Andreas, Bastian and Marco are fighting for position. As they approach Lesmo 2, Bastian is leading with Dean very close behind, when Bastian brakes Dean rear ends him. Andreas and Marco are further car length back and cannot avoid the resulting carnage. Piero and Philippe are several hundred yards behind but the approach speed of the 69x cars is so high they have very little time to react. Piero hits the wreckage but Philippe manages to slow enough to allow him to carefully weave his way through the inverted McLarens. Andreas, Bastian and Piero need to take shift-Rs in order to continue. Andreas and Bastian carry out their S&Gs; Piero doesn\'t but retires two laps later.

Bastian did appear to be slightly slower than on previous laps but Dean was simply too close to Bastian\'s gearbox (there is no track visible between Dean\'s steering wheel and Bastian\'s car contrary to the guidance in the GPLAC Recommended Driver Behaviour) and had no time to react. He wasn\'t trying to overtake but simply appears to be trying to position himself for a fast exit out of Lesmo 2 in order to create an overtaking opportunity on the next straight sections. There is no doubt that Dean was responsible for the incident but he deserves credit and respect for his sportsmanship in reporting the incident.

Bastian, Andreas, Philippe, Piero and Marco did nothing wrong.

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« Reply #15 on: December 07, 2015, 10:07:41 AM +0000 »

Just like Sam I opted for the wingless Lotus 49, hoping that the low drag would give me some serious straight line speed, which seemed to work. So once I had the gearing sorted I was pulling close to 200mph on full tanks without a tow.
I was not too bothered about quali position as I was relying on Lap 1 carnage somewhere and as long as I could pick up a tow with my super high ratio 5th, I should be able to stay with the pace.


Well that all that planning went up in smoke just before the start, when I realised that i was carrying about 4 galls too much fuel for the race. Spent too much time adjusting the fuel load and hit the button to join grid  scared scared scared scared " Race starting!!" 

This just has to be the worst ever track to start from the pits!!  You are already half a lap back from the start line and have a 20 second wait to even get moving!  As a result I was showing as 2.5miles behind after 1 lap  Undecided Undecided

I think it was Bob Whitwell who also started in pit lane, but I think I had slightly more speed and once he had made a small mistake and dropped out of the slipstream I gradually pulled away. It was a very lonely race for the first 10 laps until I caught a few stragglers and gained the odd place through retirements ahead. With 2 laps to go I was up to 10th place, which considering my handicapped start was as much as I could expect.
Then I got hit by legacy of the pitlane start on the last lap. I had worked things out on getting a tow for 50% of the race and saving fuel, but with less than half a lap to go I ran out of gas. I think running alone at 100% throttle and having to drive that extra half lap at the start ruined my economy.

Huge grats to Doni, Axel and Greg. Looks like it was an epic battle up front.
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« Reply #16 on: December 07, 2015, 12:05:50 PM +0000 »

WOOHOO!  Got lucky and emerged the victor in this barn burner!

Lucky?  Oh, sure...  In a late lap, I drifted wide on the exit of the North Banking and drilled the grail...HARD.  Under Pro Rules, that would have taken a corner off.  I veered away and skirted the verge on the right and came within a blink of losing the McLaren.  Somebody up there likes me.  Smiley

A dramatic finish and I thought for sure that Axel was going to gun me down coming off the South Banking and the run to the flag.  He came up a mere 8/100 short.  Great race, buddy!

And I could just weep for poor Greg.  This was his race to win/lose.  Only a slightly wide pass through the Vialone in a late lap and the resultant crash spoiled his chances.  GT...  You ran like a champ!  Good on ya.

Dean's pole position apparently resulted from a reset during a test start procedure late in qualifying that confused GPL and eliminated that need to do the road course portion of the circuit.  Goofy but I've seen this before here.

Apologies to Sam for diving underneath him at the Parabolica in an early lap that forced him wide.  I should have known better to test my braking power there.  While there was no collision, it set the stage for a side-swiping by Axel that pushed Sam off.  Bad luck there, SB.

Not much to tell beyond the whole 22 laps were real nail-biters with constant back-and-forth action.  Sorry to have lost Tim at some point with a disco.  OH!  I just remembered...  The first several laps were a nightmare of lag.  Dean was directly ahead of me on that first lap and til he fell off in the Parabolica, his Ferrari was blinking in and out like a wild thing.  I kept my distance for fear of running over him.  After that, it took a couple more laps for the lag bar to settle down.  I fully expected to get disco'd myself but managed to survive.

Not to be missed in this event was race # 1,001 in Evil Clive's UK career across all sim platforms and his 837th start in GPL races.  I stumbled across this fact just before yesterday's race and didn't have the opportunity to offer up congratulations at the close of qualifying.  What a trooper!  Smiley  These stats are available on the championship pages by accessing the "Top 25 drivers by participation" link seen there.  Once again, congratulations, Clive!

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« Reply #17 on: December 07, 2015, 12:31:41 PM +0000 »

Yeah Doni, you had this little advantage in acceleration of the lighter M7 out of the banking  Wink

IMO the lag and warp comes from the double #12 driver what is a bug in 69X mod!
The server can't handle the #12 on 2 different places at the same time...
All went fine when #12 Bob retired after 4 laps!

Maybe we have to limit the grid for the next races or do a check in quali if there is a double #12, maybe a rejoin can cure this Huh
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« Reply #18 on: December 07, 2015, 01:35:15 PM +0000 »

This is a real shame about the bugs in the 69 mod, because I love the way they drive.
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« Reply #19 on: December 07, 2015, 09:06:29 PM +0000 »


Not to be missed in this event was race # 1,001 in Evil Clive's UK career across all sim platforms and his 837th start in GPL races.  I stumbled across this fact just before yesterday's race and didn't have the opportunity to offer up congratulations at the close of qualifying.  What a trooper!  Smiley  These stats are available on the championship pages by accessing the "Top 25 drivers by participation" link seen there.  Once again, congratulations, Clive!




Do NOT tell my wife!!!  whistling

Geez 1000 races eh??  I guess I should start seeing some improvement soon???

Thanks for unearthing that Doni...........................I think.   eek

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« Reply #20 on: December 07, 2015, 09:30:54 PM +0000 »

Grats Doni, close finish, mon ami!   Smiley

Also well done to Clive for that amazing stat.  Cool
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« Reply #21 on: December 07, 2015, 10:08:39 PM +0000 »

I'm not sure if I bumped Tim or not entering Parabolica just before he discoed. I was a little late braking and narrowly avoided a catastrophe. It was shame Tim was discoed shortly after that.

I'm 95% certain I was actually behind you when you did that Greg - I think we both got caught out by a stronger draft or something as we both ended up in the sandpit for no reason Grin
I was annoyed with my self for that - Less annoyed than when the screen froze half a lap later though  Sad
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« Reply #22 on: December 07, 2015, 10:18:42 PM +0000 »

I think I can fix the double numbers Axel. Just have my doubts if it has anything to do with the warping, only one way to find out I guess Smiley
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« Reply #23 on: December 08, 2015, 06:57:43 PM +0000 »

I think I can fix the double numbers Axel. Just have my doubts if it has anything to do with the warping, only one way to find out I guess Smiley

Thanks Tommie, that would be great!

I am pretty shure that this confuses the server very much, as I had the biggest problems sitting next to the server Roll Eyes
When only one #12 was left it suddenly normalized Wink
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« Reply #24 on: December 08, 2015, 07:38:48 PM +0000 »

Sorry for inadvertently causing the issues, I may have been the last to join.

I wasn't looking fwd to this one too much and had no time for praccy, so decided to take a 'cheap' car.  Took a look at the records and saw that the BT24 was actually reasonably fast, faster than the Matra 84...or so the records show.  One major flaw was that Iestyn had set the time for the Brab, but I didn't have time to mess around so committed to the decision and joined with no set-up.  I was hoping that the def setup would be good to start with, as often seems to be the case with other tracks/cars, but no.  Even the gearing was ridiculous, sorry if I'm slating anyone involved, I can appreciate the BT24 is probably rarely driven so perhaps they just copied one from another track...Monaco perhaps.

I even missed the start fuelling-up and was glad Clive's had had the same bad luck, even more so that he too was in a wingless car.  I could just about stay in the tow for the first 10 laps, but had an off and Clive was gone.  I made a few places as others retired, but a dull race that I almost dropped out of.  Out of the tow I was getting about 190mph down the straights.  Won't be taking the BT24 again until at least next season  Tongue

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« Reply #25 on: December 09, 2015, 12:00:36 AM +0000 »

And I could just weep for poor Greg.  This was his race to win/lose.  Only a slightly wide pass through the Vialone in a late lap and the resultant crash spoiled his chances.  GT...  You ran like a champ!  Good on ya.

Not to be missed in this event was race # 1,001 in Evil Clive's UK career across all sim platforms and his 837th start in GPL races. 

No need to weep Doni. It was great to be closer to normal again. I wouldn't say it was my race to win or lose, but I had moved back into position to challenge for the win. You saw me multiple times try to beat Axel to the line but the M9A wouldn't do it like the Lotus 49 would. Smiley I got real close one time though.

Congrats Clive! The Ironman!

I wondered how Dean did that. I thought it may have been spectacular crash that led to him landing on the wrong part of the track.

My apologies Axel. I did the same to you as I did to Sam. I dropped down on the banking too close in front of you. Prib reading 12 yds/m behind wasn't quite enough distance to be doing that safely. I'll try to remember that. It looks I should get at least 15 m before moving over on the banking.

Doni and Axel disappeared twice while I was trying to catch them. The first time I thought both of you had discoed. The second time, which was on my fast lap, I came out of Parabolica and both of you were gone. I didn't gain any extra speed that time down the pit straight. Just before I entered the banking you both reappeared ahead of me on the banking. I worried my connection might have been poor but I often used Alt+L during the race and my Q was always near .990 and my latency never changed from between .190-.200. Axel, I've wondered if the 69xs with a full grid is too demanding? I also wonder if I could be the cause. Occasionally my latency gets pretty high when I'm near Doni or Dean.

Thanks again guys.
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« Reply #26 on: December 09, 2015, 12:29:55 AM +0000 »

The server has no higher demand from 69X as from any other mod!
It has 4GB (3.2GB used for XP 32bit system and 512 for GPU) DDR2 Ram and I did swich off C&Q and let the CPU run in full speed 3000MHz as I had seen some cars warping in pre race practice Wink

We had the same at Rouen when I stopped the server after 1 lap  Shocked
I saw most other cars jumping around after the start and after half the first lap I was left alone for the next 3 laps with pribluda showing me in the lead with 4 drivers behind. When Ray left I was suddenly back in the normal race and back in 5th position.

IMO it is impossible for me to warp on my server as It is next door Roll Eyes

So the only clue for me is that the server uses the #number for the position of a driver,
if there are doublettes it tries to correct this and gets confused...
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« Reply #27 on: December 09, 2015, 11:27:15 AM +0000 »

It was an action-loaded Race.
Have to take a look on the rpy on the weekend.

Bad luck for Evil to run out of fuel, but grats for the 1000 Races !
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« Reply #28 on: December 09, 2015, 12:32:43 PM +0000 »

Here's a fix for the double number appearing on 69x races:

www.grandprixlegends.co.nf/files/drvc69.ini

Download the new drvc69.ini and place in the root GPL folder. EVERY server hosting 69x has to do this, although for fun races with less attendance it's probably not as problematic, as the bug only occurs when the grid is already filled with 16 drivers.

End users / racers don't have to do anything.

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The server takes it's starting numbers from the AI lineup drvc69.ini. This file had both Jacky Ickx and Pedro Rodriguez with starting number 12. I've changed Ickx' number to 7, which was unused in the generic drvc69.ini.

I still have my doubts if this fixes the connection problems, but it's worth a try anyway.

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« Reply #29 on: December 09, 2015, 12:57:31 PM +0000 »

Thanks Tommie  thumbup2

I think this will fix the problem, as I am shure to not have connection problems to my server punk
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