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April 17, 2016, 10:36:14 PM +0100 - Zeltweg - UKGPL Season 29 (2015-16) Season 29 Joe Shaw
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Nat. Make Model Class Qualifying Race
Tyres Pos Time/Gap Pos Time/Gap Laps Stops Best Retirement
reason
Ballast
Iestyn Davies
 Blue Moose Racing
Cooper T81b (Maserati) F1 1967 2 +0.544
125.913mph
1 44:17.024
124.402mph
25 1:44.451
126.581mph
Firestone  
Robert Fleurke
 Antipasti Racing
BRM P115 F1 1967 1 1:44.461
126.569mph
2 +4.074
124.211mph
25 1:44.682
126.302mph
Goodyear  
Carlos Cendejas
 
Eagle T1G (Weslake 1967) F1 1967 8 +1.394
124.902mph
3 +43.135
122.414mph
25 1:45.821
124.942mph
Goodyear  
Samb
 Black Night Racing
Honda RA300 F1 1967 5 +1.091
125.261mph
4 +43.637
122.392mph
25 1:45.965
124.773mph
Firestone  
Marco Mercaldo
 Squadra Padova Corse
Brabham BT24 (Repco) F1 1967 9 +2.426
123.696mph
5 +1L
118.735mph
24 1:47.137
123.408mph
Goodyear  
AnGex
 Black Night Racing
Ferrari 312 (1967) F1 1967 12 +2.862
123.194mph
6 +8.771
118.346mph
24 1:47.864
122.576mph
Firestone  
GregT
 Team Baarf
Honda RA300 F1 1967 7 +1.159
125.180mph
7 +2L
121.699mph
23 1:45.331
125.524mph
Firestone  
EvilClive
 Blue Moose Racing
Honda RA300 F1 1967 4 +0.858
125.538mph
8 +3L
123.084mph
22 1:45.601
125.203mph
Disco
Firestone  
Cookie
 Antipasti Racing
Ferrari 312 (1967) F1 1967 3 +0.835
125.565mph
9 +9L
123.680mph
16 1:45.809
124.957mph
Disco
Firestone  
DLogan
 
Brabham BT24 (Repco) F1 1967 11 +2.662
123.424mph
10 +14L
120.552mph
11 1:46.884
123.700mph
Disco
Goodyear  
FullMetalGasket
 Black Night Racing
Honda RA300 F1 1967 6 +1.131
125.213mph
11 +15L
122.446mph
10 1:45.741
125.037mph
Disco
Firestone  
Billy Nobrakes
 Black Night Racing
Eagle T1G (Weslake 1967) F1 1967 10 +2.505
123.605mph
12 +38.146
118.268mph
10 1:47.880
122.558mph
Disco
Goodyear  
Doni Yourth
 Blue Moose Racing
BRM P115 F1 1967 13 +3.128
122.889mph
13 +22L
118.106mph
3 1:49.141
121.142mph
unknown
Goodyear  
Ronniepeterson
 
BRM P115 F1 1967 15 +3.707
122.231mph
14 +25L
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Disco
Goodyear  
bagrupp
 
Eagle T1G (Weslake 1967) F1 1967 14 +3.385
122.596mph
15
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0 ---
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Disco
Goodyear  
60fps UKGPL8
 
BRM P115 F1 1967 16 16 DNS ---
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Goodyear  

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« on: April 13, 2016, 11:06:52 PM +0100 »

Season 29 Joe Shaw Memorial – Round 6 – Zeltweg

Please note the change of track & handicap rules

This will be the  sixth race of the Joe Shaw Memorial series 2016,  but the third ‘championship’ event.

The series will be run over a 10 race format with a warm up event in 65 cars on Tuesday, followed by a Championship race in original 67 cars on Sunday evening.

This Sunday we visit the 1971 version of the Osterreichring at Zeltweg. We were originally scheduled the race at Borovaya. There was a multiple disco at Boravaya for the 65 race on Tuesday. I’m not suggesting we blacklist Borovaya but a change of venue seems the safer option. I’m also led to understand that T1 at Borovaya is something of a crash magnet.
This race is for championship points, with period scoring; 9 points for a win, 6 for second, 4 for third, then 3, 2 & 1. A points table will be published after the third race.

We will be running Pro damage settings with the 67 car set. In a slight change of rules there is no handicap but a gentleman’s agreement that the fastest drivers should take a slower car. I think we are all grown up enough to know who the fast guys are.

Race List = iGOR
Server = UKGPL_8
IP = see iGOR
Race date = Sunday 17-04-16
Time = 21:00 UK time (21:00 GMT)
Track = Zeltweg 71
Race length = 25 laps
Variant = 1967
60fps patch used   = 60fpsV2newmod
Damage Model = Intermediate
Qualifying time = 30 minutes

Gentlemen’s rules apply, although reported incidents will be moderated.

Please restrict chat to pit messages including at the end of the race until ALL drivers still racing have crossed the line.

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« Reply #1 on: April 14, 2016, 12:20:47 AM +0100 »

Thanks Billy, good decision IMO.
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« Reply #2 on: April 14, 2016, 12:35:37 AM +0100 »

...There was a multiple disco at Boravaya for the 65 race on Tuesday...

Which has happened at most if not all the tracks we run regularly. We'd have a very limited selection if we banned tracks at the first sign of trouble. I'm having difficulty coming up with ONE track where I haven't seen a multiple disco (Papy originals included) in some league or other.

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...I’m not suggesting we blacklist Borovaya...

Why not use this opportunity for a further test, with a good number of runners yet outside of a regular season? If Tuesday's misfortune for a few is going to be our guide to the stability of this track, how is Boro ever going to make it into a season schedule? Aren't you in effect blacklisting it right now?

As for the "light" version (thanks Rob for making it available), did it improve matters for anyone? I didn't use it, and had no problems (aside from T1  Wink).

edit: just checked, and we've run this track three times previously with NO disconnect issues mentioned. a bit knee-jerk to change at this time IMO.
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« Reply #3 on: April 14, 2016, 02:22:52 AM +0100 »

Technically this was a mass screenfreeze.

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Made a lighter version, which helped to gain a few FPS offline with 19 AI cars, however online I kept having screenfreezes/FPS drops just like with the original, lower resolution or less graphical detail settings didn't matter

It will not fix the screenfreezes I'm afraid, and I stand by Billy's decision. Better play safe with more reliable tracks. In the 65s race I used the normal Borovaya though since being on a higher end system right now. I have heard more reports about screenfreezes, Iestyn also mentioned it I think in chat.
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« Reply #4 on: April 14, 2016, 02:40:37 AM +0100 »

Technically this was a mass screenfreeze...

One such event in four runnings of this track should not be a death-knell for such a fun track. Yes, I like this place, even tho I have yet to make it to T1 in a race here without being airborne, backwards, and upside down. Put it in the "questionable" category, and use this opportunity for further testing (with a near-full grid, probably), without compromising anyone's championship season.

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...Better play safe with more reliable tracks...

Can you name any GPL track that has never had a mass disco/screenfreeze? I'm coming up empty. As a GPL racer, I accept that such things happen, they happen to all eventually, and deserve to put into the "that sux" folder, where they are left while we move on to the next event.
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« Reply #5 on: April 14, 2016, 07:32:34 AM +0100 »

Dean, you may be right. The 67 races score points for the Joe Shaw memorial. There are 5 scoring races & no dropped scores. Under the circumstances I think it best to use Zeltweg.
Personally I quite like Borovaya. I expect we will have a couple of pre-season warm ups for the 1966 50th anniversary season where we can givr Borovaya another chance.
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« Reply #6 on: April 14, 2016, 04:56:31 PM +0100 »

Technically this was a mass screenfreeze...

One such event in four runnings of this track should not be a death-knell for such a fun track. Yes, I like this place, even tho I have yet to make it to T1 in a race here without being airborne, backwards, and upside down. Put it in the "questionable" category, and use this opportunity for further testing (with a near-full grid, probably), without compromising anyone's championship season.

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...Better play safe with more reliable tracks...

Can you name any GPL track that has never had a mass disco/screenfreeze? I'm coming up empty. As a GPL racer, I accept that such things happen, they happen to all eventually, and deserve to put into the "that sux" folder, where they are left while we move on to the next event.

As I said, there have been reports of screenfreezes at Borovaya before (even by myself which I forgot). Most tracks will not have mass screenfreezes. Original tracks will not have mass screenfreezes, maybe mass disco's, but that would be a connection/server/router problem which is unrelated to screenfreezes and tracks AFAIK. Also most add on tracks will be fine.

Also we should take advantage of different league tracklists that report problems for specific tracks.
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« Reply #7 on: April 14, 2016, 05:01:46 PM +0100 »

1966 Can-Am's at Borovaya, sign me up!

Borovaya has extreme draw distance values. You could edit them using the 'FB Adjust' program by Strava. That would get rid of the low frame rates (which could be the source of the freezes) but you would loose the ability to see the other side of the track at start/finish and vice versa.

I've never had a screen freeze before at Borovaya. I HAVE had two at Zeltweg 71 Grin . My two cents, I think that with a low draw distance 3do to solve fps problems, Borovaya might be more stable than Zeltweg. Heck, Zeltweg 71 was made because of screen freezes with earlier Zeltweg versions. I do like the track though.

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« Reply #8 on: April 14, 2016, 06:15:31 PM +0100 »

...Original tracks will not have mass screenfreezes, maybe mass disco's...

I've never distinguished, due to the same result, and have probably been guilty of mixing the two up, due to ignorance of the difference.
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« Reply #9 on: April 17, 2016, 09:41:53 PM +0100 »

Sorry Bastian, I was always going to drift to the right on the run down the straight and hoped faster cars would pass me on the left.
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« Reply #10 on: April 17, 2016, 09:42:03 PM +0100 »

Monumental vision problems from the get go.  Like driving thru fog.  I decided to park it before the inevitable.  Sad

Just in time for the start of Long Beach, at least!  Smiley
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« Reply #11 on: April 17, 2016, 10:25:04 PM +0100 »

I had a brilliant race, until a few laps to go when I made an absolute pig's ear of the Bosch Kurve, hit the wall and found myself facing backwards. An innocent Clive not far behind had no where to go and the resulting collision ended his race  Embarrassed. Deeply sorry about that Clive, was really enjoying that battle with you all race long.

Somehow I still had four wheels attached and landed right side up but my car was very much down on power. That made me a sitting duck to Carlos, who look 3rd spot from me with a lap to go.

Many congrats to Iestyn, Rob and Carlos for rounding the podium  Smiley.
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« Reply #12 on: April 17, 2016, 10:53:17 PM +0100 »

Were the 3 previous races at Borovaya run at 36 fps? 60 fps seems to increase the likelihood of discoes/screen freezes? I've raced there multiple times and never saw much if any problem, but all those races may have been at 36 fps.
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« Reply #13 on: April 17, 2016, 11:07:42 PM +0100 »

Congrats Iestyn, Rob, and Carlos! Nice job guys.

That was fun. A little better setup and it would have been better.

What a crowd in T1! I think Tim lost it? Unsure if I had a car to the right, I stayed left. I'm so glad Tim didn't come back on the track. It would have been ugly.

I'm glad everybody could avoid me when I spun at Tiroch. Smiley I think I overheated my tires in T1 and lost it in the next turn. Dean had me overheating them again but I got lucky he faltered before I did.

I was closing on Sam late in the race. That got me dreaming of the podium. I got too zealous and pushed the Honda engine to the point of no return.

Nice job by Carlos to outlast all the Hondas he had to deal with throughout the race.

Thanks guys.
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« Reply #14 on: April 18, 2016, 09:46:59 AM +0100 »

I don't very often drive pro settings & it shows. The engine packed up on lap 10 even though I don't remember pushing it. So far I have bent a Ferrari & blown an engine on a Brab & an Eagle in this series. Still have two more chances to wreck something. I see the BRM hasn't really slowed Rob down. Impressive podium by Carlos in a strong field.
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