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April 29, 2016, 10:36:20 PM +0100 - Monza (GP 1955-71) - UKGPL Season 30 (2016)
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Nat. Make Model Class Qualifying Race
Tyres Pos Time/Gap Pos Time/Gap Laps Stops Best Retirement
reason
Ballast
Mark Jones
 
McLaren M1B Group 7 2 +0.277
147.925mph
1 47:11.629
145.343mph
32 1:26.759
148.240mph
Firestone  
Cookie
 Antipasti Racing
Chaparral 2E Group 7 3 +1.006
146.695mph
2 +2.842
145.197mph
32 1:27.334
147.264mph
Firestone  
GregT
 Team Baarf
McLaren M1B Group 7 1 1:26.667
148.397mph
3 +11.842
144.737mph
32 1:26.707
148.329mph
Firestone  
Rainier
 Black Night Racing
Lola T70 MkII 359 Chevrolet Group 7 7 +2.461
144.300mph
4 +26.899
143.975mph
32 1:28.138
145.921mph
Firestone  
Doni Yourth
 Blue Moose Racing
Lola T70 MkII 305 Ford Group 7 4 +1.440
145.972mph
5 +1:00.557
142.300mph
32 1:27.907
146.304mph
Goodyear  
DLogan
 
McLaren M1B Group 7 6 +2.026
145.007mph
6 +1:02.720
142.193mph
32 1:28.190
145.835mph
Firestone  
francesco
 Antipasti Racing
Lola T70 MkII 305 Ford Group 7 8 +2.505
144.229mph
7 +11L
139.521mph
21 1:29.762
143.281mph
Disco
Goodyear  
Iestyn Davies
 Blue Moose Racing
Lola T70 MkII 427 Ford Group 7 9 +6.426
138.154mph
8 +13L
141.364mph
19 1:27.245
147.414mph
Disco
Firestone  
maddog
 Antipasti Racing
Lola T70 MkII 359 Chevrolet Group 7 5 +1.847
145.301mph
9 +36.076
138.474mph
19 1:29.132
144.293mph
Disco
Firestone  
francesco
 Antipasti Racing
Lola T70 MkII 305 Ford Group 7 10 DNS ---
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Goodyear  
60fps UKGPL8
 
Lola T70 MkII 359 Chevrolet Group 7 10 11 ---
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Firestone  
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« on: April 24, 2016, 11:13:44 PM +0100 »

CanAm 66 Funrace at Monza

To have some fun with the new cars GPL has, we will do a little Friday series with the CANM66 mod.

As a little recreation after the N├╝rburgring we will race at the legendary and well known Monza circuit.
The Autodromo Nazionale Monza is a race track located near the city of Monza, north of Milan, in Italy. The circuit's biggest event is the Formula One Italian Grand Prix. With the exception of 1980, the race has been hosted there since the series's inception.

Free car choice and no restrictions, but try to drive like gentlemen and let's all have fun!


Race listiGOR
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Date29-04-2016
TrackMonza Papy
ModCANM66 with 60fpsV2newmod
Damage INT long
Race timeRace starts at 21:30 UK time
Qualifying ~45 minutes, starting ~ 20:45 UK time
Race length32 laps
Replay here


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« Reply #1 on: April 29, 2016, 07:17:43 PM +0100 »

Your attention please - track announcement - anyone driving a Chaparral at this race, may wish to grab the eagle folder, and pull out a virtual mirror file, residing therein.  Make a photocopy, and paste it under the drivers seat, in the eagle folder.

This is an open race - anyone seen to be racing with a roof, will be instantly zapped with a DQ.  angel I thank you.
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« Reply #2 on: April 29, 2016, 07:56:31 PM +0100 »

If you want to try the fastest car McLaren M1B here is my Monza setup  Wink
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« Reply #3 on: April 29, 2016, 08:25:01 PM +0100 »

 . . . . . All Chaparrals are virtually identical. Cool
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« Reply #4 on: April 29, 2016, 10:16:49 PM +0100 »

I don't know if was guilt of my pedals or of the car(lola 350-Gurney)but i have burned 5 engines ,3 in qualy and 2 into the race.
I'm interested to repeat the race at Monza,if possible.

P.S.Someone of you have already seen the new Road America posted by Remy?Is fantastic.
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« Reply #5 on: April 29, 2016, 10:46:59 PM +0100 »

I don't know if was guilt of my pedals or of the car(lola 350-Gurney)but i have burned 5 engines ,3 in qualy and 2 into the race...

Need to ask Tommie if any of the engines are modeled as more fragile than the others.

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Not yet, thanks for the heads-up. Off to get it now.  Smiley

How about using it for the next race in this series?
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« Reply #6 on: April 29, 2016, 10:51:06 PM +0100 »

Martin is this the Lola you drove? Maybe mapped wrong...

WOW, what a race Grin Grin Grin

The works McL is just too fast for the Chap, but was fun seing Mark having troubles every Para braking Grin
Shame Greg messed Lesmo1...
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« Reply #7 on: April 30, 2016, 01:02:24 AM +0100 »

Yeah that was great.  I learned a lot working on the setup for this race, and the car is a lot more stable now.  But yes it's still a bit active under braking.  I fell back to 4th and had to settle down and catch back up again, but I had a great top speed.  Very happy!   Cool
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« Reply #8 on: April 30, 2016, 07:28:29 PM +0100 »

Sorry I was too late Sad . I was not home in time from a congress in Hannover to catch the race start.

Hope to make the next race, hopefully at Road America Elkhart Lake! I don't think it's released yet, though? Couldn't find anything.

The Chaparral 2E is the most fragile car of the mod, comparable to the Papyrus 1967 Lotus 49. The Gurney Lola Ford is less fragile, but has more gears so if you're having trouble with your pedals switching gears, the engine will fail if you redline the engine during gearshifts. The Chaparral only has two gears so is kinder that way. The Chevy's are more reliable, plus most Chevy's only have four gears instead of the Gurney Lola's five. You spend more time switching gears in the Gurney Lola anyway because the Weslake heads has the engine rev much higher than the other cars, and it has a peakier power delivery compared to the Chevy's.

I asked Richard Cooke way back to set the reliability values somewhat lower compared to other mods. They are now set at Papyrus 1967 values. Most other mods have them set a bit lower I think. So if you've been taken aback by it, try not to overrev the engine during shifts. There should be no load on the drivetrain when the clutch is engaged.

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« Reply #9 on: May 01, 2016, 12:22:51 AM +0100 »

Interesting information, thanks Tom!
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« Reply #10 on: May 01, 2016, 06:09:51 AM +0100 »

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The Gurney Lola Ford is less fragile, but has more gears so if you're having trouble with your pedals switching gears, the engine will fail if you redline the engine during gearshifts. The Chaparral only has two gears so is kinder that way. The Chevy's are more reliable, plus most

I'm particulary careful to the red line because i have burned a lot of engines in the past but with the Gurney Lola one was burned at the start from the pit.
Seem to me too fragile since is the first time that happen to burn 5 engines in one race session.Anyway the next race i use another car,the Lola Chevy already teasted at Monza.
Tested with no damage but with this car i'm 1 second faster with,more or less,the same setup.
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« Reply #11 on: May 01, 2016, 10:47:51 AM +0100 »

The Chap E seems to have a better reliability than the F Roll Eyes

It helps to use the torque of these engines as you get a turbine like acceleration from 3000min,
so no need to rev them over the limits.

Maybe a little red mark, painted in the rev counter, helps to keep the engine healthy Wink
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« Reply #12 on: May 01, 2016, 10:52:01 AM +0100 »

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Maybe a little red mark, painted in the rev counter, helps to keep the engine healthy
Could be an idea.Anyway i  opened a discussion with Richard about the Lola on the repository.Now i wait explanation.
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« Reply #13 on: May 01, 2016, 04:08:58 PM +0100 »

The 67 Sportscars, in which the Chaparral 2F is included, have their engine inertia's set too low. This causes you to more easily (over)rev the engine. After some calculations, I'm convinced the inertia values for the 1966 Can-Am mod are set right (about four times as high as GT67). Plus the 2E only has two gears instead of the 2F's there. So I think you are right that the 2E is more reliable than the 2F, although there's probably a higher mathematical chance of other failures like suspention failure.

It's no wonder we only see engine failures in online races. To put it boldly, our gear changing sucks. Suspention failures are possible though, I once had a wheel come off at Oulton in the 65's.

Maybe I lose too much time during gear changes, but my last engine failure during an online GPL race was at Sebring in the 67 BRM in season 20. I think that was due to the bumps on the runway causing my engine to overrev. When was the last time you blew your engine when NOT changing gears?
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« Reply #14 on: May 01, 2016, 04:38:59 PM +0100 »

Congrats Mark and Axel!

Shame Greg messed Lesmo1...

That was only the beginning of my early woes. Smiley I had to wait for all the cars to pass. Great job by everybody avoiding me. I drove from Lesmos and started wondering if the car might be damaged. Instead of just resetting at Lesmos, I wasted more time by stopping before Ascari and resetting.

I don't remember how many mistakes I made trying to catch the the backmarkers. Things are happening so fast at times with this mod I can't keep up. Iestyn and another car had spun and were stopped when I passed. I was so busy looking at my line or the tach I didn't see either of them until I would have hit them if they were on the racing line. Smiley

It took a while to catch Dave. The first time I approached as I got some tow before Ascari I couldn't handle the understeer. I managed to hit the rail almost parallel. I got a good bounce and the only way to save the car was hit the opposite rail parallel.

Same thing happened as I caught Doni. I fell back after I couldn't handle the understeer in the slipstream. He was setting me up for a very nice lap. I closed the second time looking for a fast lap again and Doni faltered. He was a little slow through the Lesmos. It's a shame I bluffed him into a mistake the next time into Parabolica. He appeared to have driven a fine race to that point. I can't distinguish the various Lolas yet. I underestimated Doni's. I had braked early enough that I could easily hold the inside through Parabolica. I had abandoned the attempt too. I couldn't get my nose in front. Unfortunately when I looked left Doni locked his brakes and I knew he was too late. I lifted from the brakes since I knew I could run wider into Parabolica and there was no need to allow Doni room to sweep across in front of me.

I learned a lot working on the setup for this race.  But yes it's still a bit active under braking. 

I'm getting better with my setup too. Smiley My setup is good. My problems were the driver. I practiced a couple times during the week for this one. I used the AI to get some practice with the slipstream. They're fast but not very good. They're incredibly slow in the middle of Curva Grande and Follmer rear ended me 3 times entering Parabolica in a novice length race. I didn't cuss him, like Surtees in his Honda, since I now know how silly the AI can be. No good race practice with them, but at least a little example of some slipstream.

I was regularly fishtailing into Parabolica. Smiley It was manageable this week. I need more front brake bias with this mod. I use 51-54% with all the other mods. 55% is much better for me than the 54% I had been trying with CA66. I still haven't tried 56% but I suspect that's too much since I locked my inside front wheel at times entering Parabolica.

I can put in some good laps with this car now but I still can't say I can race it well. I like it though. It's fun.

There should be no load on the drivetrain when the clutch is engaged.

I often do not do that. lol Luckily I haven't had much trouble with engine damage so far. It usually comes from an accident. I lift, shift and get back on the throttle. I can get abusive with the drivetrain shock trying to get the clutch to engage at a maximum rpm such 11k in the 312. I use 7200 rpm with the M1B. As long as I don't do it constantly and keep the engines under a set rpm, I don't have many problems.

Thanks guys. I appreciate the racing.
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