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  • S30 Le Mans: May 22, 2016
May 22, 2016, 11:05:26 PM +0100 - Le Mans (Sarthe (1932-67)) - UKGPL Season 30 (2016)
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Tyres Pos Time/Gap Pos Time/Gap Laps Stops Best Retirement
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 Antipasti Racing
McLaren M7 (DFV) F1 1969 2 +0.342
150.968mph
1 26:43.673
150.251mph
8 3:18.564
151.685mph
Goodyear  
AnGex
 Black Night Racing
Matra MS80 (DFV) F1 1969 3 +1.060
150.426mph
2 +3.201
149.952mph
8 3:18.075
152.060mph
Dunlop  
R_Jungle
 
Lotus 49b (DFV) F1 1969 5 +2.543
149.320mph
3 +15.241
148.837mph
8 3:18.613
151.648mph
Firestone  
EvilClive
 Blue Moose Racing
Lotus 49b (DFV) F1 1969 4 +2.504
149.349mph
4 +39.765
146.616mph
8 3:20.320
150.356mph
Firestone  
Tom van Ostade
 Antipasti Racing
BRM P126/139 F1 1969 6 +2.792
149.136mph
5 +39.833
146.610mph
8 3:20.415
150.284mph
Dunlop  
maddog
 Antipasti Racing
Ferrari 312 (1969) F1 1969 7 +4.275
148.049mph
6 +1:02.252
144.637mph
8 3:24.022
147.628mph
Dunlop  
francesco
 Antipasti Racing
McLaren M7 (DFV) F1 1969 8 +6.065
146.758mph
7 +5L
139.979mph
3 3:28.175
144.682mph
Disco
Goodyear  
Walter Conn
 WSL Racing Team
McLaren M7 (DFV) F1 1969 9 +6.553
146.410mph
8 +6L
137.550mph
2 3:29.586
143.708mph
Disco
Goodyear  
Gareth
 
Lotus 49b (DFV) F1 1969 1 3:19.166
151.227mph
9 +8L
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GregT
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Lotus 49b (DFV) F1 1969 11 10
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« Reply #15 on: May 22, 2016, 11:20:40 PM +0100 »

The trk file is necessary for each driver. It doesn't matter for us racers whether or not the server has the patch installed.

If the night version 'nbsarthe' works without freezes, you can try that trk out on the normal track. Just take the nbsarthe.trk out of the nbsarthe.dat, rename it to bsarthe.trk and place it in the bsarthe folder.

The first race was a joke with crashed cars scattered all round. Second race was much better although I got hit at Mulsanne in lap 1 which put me last. After that great racing with Martin and Clive right up until the finish line Smiley . Fun trying to outpower them on the straights Smiley .

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« Reply #16 on: May 23, 2016, 01:43:56 PM +0100 »

This is the first time I've really felt the benefits of slipstreaming.  I was managing 193mph without it, and about 205mph with it!  Is the 69X modelling different from 67s in that respect?
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« Reply #17 on: May 23, 2016, 02:06:46 PM +0100 »

This is the first time I've really felt the benefits of slipstreaming.  I was managing 193mph without it, and about 205mph with it!  Is the 69X modelling different from 67s in that respect?

Way different, the tow in 69X is quite ridiculous, IMO Wink

I'd say with 67s the tow only starts 40-60m behind...problem with GPL is it works that way, by how much distance behind...because less powered machines would benefit more from tow (in real life) they changed this for 65s back in the day...

But I have no clue they gave 69X this amount of distance tow...to me 65 and 67 have the most realistic tow effects (maybe 65's slightly too much distance, 67s slightly too little distance)...just my opinion of course Wink
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« Reply #18 on: May 23, 2016, 02:42:39 PM +0100 »

60's cars were not aerodynamically perfect, and the 'tow' much larger than now.  Slipstream effect is made different for each carset, but which are correct?   I'd guess more than our '67s, and big 'wings' added more again to 69's. If you go look at 'films' at high speed tracks - Le Mans, Monza . . . .  slipstream was a big part of the action.  nuke
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« Reply #19 on: May 23, 2016, 04:39:20 PM +0100 »

That's probably true, but the problem is GPL works with distance tow, not with differences in drag, or power...in real life, the bigger hole that is punched in the air, the bigger the tow. Also less power will add to the tow effect. (see NASCAR Tona/Dega for example)

I guess the modmakers tried to compensate with more distance to allow for more tow effect, but IMO they overdid it on most mods, while it's too little with original 67s...
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« Reply #20 on: May 23, 2016, 05:51:13 PM +0100 »

Our physics experts nowadays, look carefully at original laptimes, to find tow, and no tow data.  Two things missing in this, are 50 year old onboard logging/telemetry, and extra variables for drag.  

We need a half dozen owners to gather at Le Sarthe, to gather nose to tail data.  Total laptime would then need to be adjusted, to be as close as possible to Stewart and Company.  But this new physics would make it a new Mod - maybe a 69y?  

The cars we drive in this Sim, are as close to the real ones as any Sim, with the tools available.  Wink
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« Reply #21 on: May 23, 2016, 06:54:47 PM +0100 »

Our physics experts nowadays, look carefully at original laptimes, to find tow, and no tow data.  Two things missing in this, are 50 year old onboard logging/telemetry, and extra variables for drag.  

We need a half dozen owners to gather at Le Sarthe, to gather nose to tail data.  Total laptime would then need to be adjusted, to be as close as possible to Stewart and Company.  But this new physics would make it a new Mod - maybe a 69y?  

The cars we drive in this Sim, are as close to the real ones as any Sim, with the tools available.  Wink
if any one has a 49b I can borrow ill do it. tho I hope you have it insured  Grin
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« Reply #22 on: May 24, 2016, 12:22:26 AM +0100 »

That's probably true, but the problem is GPL works with distance tow, not with differences in drag, or power...in real life, the bigger hole that is punched in the air, the bigger the tow. Also less power will add to the tow effect. (see NASCAR Tona/Dega for example)

I guess the modmakers tried to compensate with more distance to allow for more tow effect, but IMO they overdid it on most mods, while it's too little with original 67s...

It does not, it does, it does, it does not, and it does not respectively :p .

I'm a student mechanical engineer, and people aiding in the development of the new slipstream model are professors of universities, have flown fighter jets or were professional cyclers. We used our background to validate the lap-by-lap data we had of the 1966 Reims race, where Brabham was slipstreaming Bandini.

The 1965 cars have the exact same slipstream models as all the other mods. Because they have a slower top speed, tow is reduced. As you might know, slipstream is related to speed with a square formula, which means slipstream gets four times as strong when speeds are twice as high. But as said before, the physics of the 1965 mod and any other mod is all the same.

Compared to original 1967 Papyrus model, the strength of the tow is reduced. The length of the tow is increased.

The 1967 originals have the drag of the cars set too low, so they run the same laptimes at Monza compared to real life without the aid of tow.

I've had this discussion many times, we tested the new slipstream model extensively with the 1966 mod, until our data matched the Reims data. After it's implementation, we finally got the 1969 Monza style races were were missing out on previously. I know the draft can feel a bit strong, but aero is a thing that is difficult to comprehend sometimes. I mean, have you ever seen that Antonov freight plane fly? It weighs 640 tonnes and takes off at only twice the speed of what we were doing at Le Mans last night.

A Dutch cyclist holds the record for highest speed on flat land (no downhill). He got up to 167 mph on his own power slipstreaming a dragster fitted with a special windshield to aid in drafting. Drafting is used in track cycling where a guy on a moped brings the cyclist up to speed.
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« Reply #23 on: May 24, 2016, 12:58:00 PM +0100 »

This confuses me, but at least we have something to argue/discuss when we travel to the British Isles Grin

PS: can you check your PM Tommie Wink
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