UKGPL Season 30 (2016) Formula Two Trophy - Castle Combe - Jun 14

[bagrupp]

I rammed a white car,...whoever it was...sorry, was trying to get out of the tow too late.

It was me 

This kind of things happens too often with you, Bastian. That's my opinion.
In Monaco, I didn't report the incident.
I will report this one.
I hope you will soon change your way of driving.

I watched it now in the replay. You were on the markation line with your inside wheels, so we could start a discussion if you were complete offtrack. I struggeld with my changed FF Values on a new machine, so I couldn't react properly and i maybe avoid you on the laptop. It's no Excuse but you sound like I did it with intention. If seen much more grave accidents watching the fiirst laps here. For me its more 50/50.

[Rainier]

No, I don't think you did it with intention.
I just think you have to be more cautious for the future as it seems, if I am not mistaken, you are part of several incidents.

I had 2 wheels on the grass so I couldn't push hard on the throttle to avoid to spin.
From your side, you were still pushing (I saw on the replay your speed increasing).
If you just shifted on the right you could have overtaken me properly.  

"so we could start a discussion if you were complete offtrack. " what does it mean ? what discussion ?  Do you think you have the right to rearend another driver when he is offtrack? 

[Doni Yourth]

I was pretty steamed after a Lap01 collision ended my race yesterday.  Realizing that I was KO'd, I was in no fit mood to continue with a reset.  Resets are for wimps anyway.

I went to bed planning my protest of Dean but woke to a much calmer state and decided against it.  I pulled down the server replay cap this morning and had a look at the full race as I'd left early and didn't save beyond my own demise.  Dean was in fine form what with ruining the races of no less than three people inside of four laps.  LOL!  The real fly in the ointment for him is a collision with DC on Lap09 with a forced reset.  A bit of karma redemption there.  Now, according to the long-established rules regarding resets, a competitor must to his penance with a stop-n-go within two laps.  That would make a stop at the end of Lap10 or Lap11.  Dean did not stop til the end of Lap14 and even then, he was out of the pit stall area which, I believe, carries its own infraction.

I think that everyone from P5 on back is going to move up a spot as you're looking at a DQ there, Deaner.  And not for the first time have you ignored this rule, mate.  I seem to recall at least two and possibly three instances in races in S29 where you failed to obey the reset stop-n-go requirement.  Imola GT comes to mind.  You gotta get this down and it would seem that the best way to get your mind right is with a sharp rap over the knuckles.

I'm not going to file a protest on this as it's a clear violation readily viewed in the replay.

[Walter Conn]

I have only watched the first lap in the replay, but I feel like Dean was innocent of any wrong doing on lap one.

[bagrupp]

I had 2 wheels on the grass so I couldn't push hard on the throttle to avoid to spin.
From your side, you were still pushing (I saw on the replay your speed increasing).
If you just shifted on the right you could have overtaken me properly.  

"so we could start a discussion if you were complete offtrack. " what does it mean ? what discussion ?  Do you think you have the right to rearend another driver when he is offtrack?  

No one has the right to rearend someone, but its more like a wheel touch. Of course, if you can't accelerate, I'll try to make my move.  It was you going wide and starting this scene,  I didn't perform well on the following move. I didn't manage to get along side, was on the gras for a shorter period of time as well. No discussion. I'm sorry about your loss of time.

[Doni Yourth]

Walter...  IMO, Dean tried to bully and bluff his way into Old Paddock Bend in an attempt to hold position after a gaffe exiting Quarry.  His approach to Old Paddock Bend after that error should have been governed by caution, not greed.  Witness his shunting off two others within four laps of this incident.  Does this look like someone who's got their mind right?

I do not bluff easily.

[DLogan]

..IMO, Dean tried to bully and bluff his way...

Says the guy who decided that, even though he's behind me all the way to the corner, I have no right to any part of the tarmac.

You're welcome for leaving the other 80% of the track clear, and we'll see what the moderators say.  

edit: the other incidents where others suffered have been reported, and I pretty much took responsibility (sorry to Ronnie and Fran). Contact with Dave C. on lap 9 was a racing incident, imo, tried to leave him just bit of room while not backing off, not quite enough room, obv.

Missing the pits due to track unfamiliarity, an odd pit entry that I finally found (and nearly missed even then), and concentrating on staying out of the way of the squabbling leaders as they came through, well, I've thrown myself on the mercy of the court.  :'(

[Walter Conn]

Moderation published. My apologies to Dean for not being able to reduce the late stop & go penalty. I do not like handing out penalties.

Speaking of penalties, it may be time to remind everyone about the Yellow Card System. Five Yellow Cards or Penalty Points (PP) will result in additional penalties. I will try to be more lenient with the penalties to help each of you avoid this from happening, but it is ultimately up to you to drive with more caution.

https://www.ukgpl.com/index.php/rules/yellow_card_example
and
https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=10879.0

I believe that the stop & go penalty for amassing three Penalty Points has been made slightly more lenient. More likely after 5 PP. 

[Doni Yourth]

Hi, Walter...

I do not concur with your analysis of the shunt involving Dean and I(and Clive + others, too).

You must take into account three factors...

1. Dean has muffed the previous corner and is anxious with frustration due to his own failings to point of greed to try and maintain his position.

2. He is doubtless in a panic from his error which compounds his ill judgement.

3. And, for the clincher most probably not considered in your judgement, he is conciously starting to carve into the dirt/gravel verge of the track looking to take the corner at a velocity that is just not achievable on that line.  Short-coursing the corner, if you will.  He is, therefore, arriving at a point in space and time to which he otherwise...if done properly and legally...would not have been able to occupy.

Now what do you say?

As for his DQ, it's about time that he followed the reset rules.

Doni

[DLogan]

...1. Dean has muffed the previous corner and is anxious with frustration due to his own failings to point of greed to try and maintain his position.

2. He is doubtless in a panic

...Now what do you say?

I'd say it's time to admit that your Psych. degree was a waste of time. :rofl:

...As for his DQ, it's about time that he followed the reset rules

"About time"? If you have any other examples, please share them in the appropriate place (it's called a "report"), otherwise, shut up?

[Doni Yourth]

I won't waste my time in trotting out your failures to follow the reset rules from S29, Deaner.  Suffice to say that they did occur.

You should thank me for calling you to accounts now.  What if I called you out on a day when you won?  Now that would have been fun! 

[DLogan]

...I won't waste my time in trotting out your failures to follow the reset rules...

Got some reading material for you: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Formal_fallacy Enjoy. 

...Deaner...

My name is Dean. Please restrict yourself to it. Thanks.

[Doni Yourth]

Disappointed in that Wiki link, Deen.  I thought by the header that it was going to be referring to, well, you know...  I see now that I had the spelling wrong and was thinking of something else entirely. 

With your DQ from Castle Coombe, I see that we are close in the F2 points standings as we head into Poo tomorrow.  Let's have another good dice as we had in the GP65's, OK?  That was quite entertaining with fair, hard driving.  In the end, I got lucky.  You didn't.

Oh!  And my Psych degree has, indeed, proved largely useless.  Hardly worth the paper it's printed on.  So much for Queen's U.

[Robert Fleurke]

Doni and Dean, please keep it civilized and don't use racethreads for your personal feud.

[Doni Yourth]

It's far from a feud, Rob.  At least from my side.  Just a little give-n-take needling.  Dean and I had a fine punchup at Pau with proper respect on both sides.