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  • S30Am Pau: June 21, 2016
June 21, 2016, 09:37:47 PM +0100 - Pau - UKGPL Season 30 (2016) Amateurs Trophy (65)
Driver
 Team
Nat. Make Model Class Qualifying Race
Tyres Pos Time/Gap Pos Time/Gap Laps Stops Best Retirement
reason
Ballast
philippe GIRARD
 Blue Moose Racing
Lotus 33 (Climax 1965) F1 1965 2 +0.611
72.910mph
1 49:46.931
70.900mph
34 1:26.333
72.147mph
Dunlop  
miner2049er
 Clark-Hill Racing
Lotus 33 (Climax 1965) F1 1965 5 +2.104
71.658mph
2 +16.666
70.507mph
34 1:26.758
71.793mph
Dunlop  
Jani Posta
 Team Groundhog
Cooper T77 (Climax) F1 1965 4 +1.934
71.798mph
3 +46.964
69.802mph
34 1:26.859
71.710mph
Dunlop  
bagrupp
 Team Groundhog
Brabham BT11 (Climax) F1 1965 3 +1.328
72.303mph
4 +48.265
69.773mph
34 1:26.001
72.425mph
Goodyear  
roguk
 Clark-Hill Racing
Lotus 33 (Climax 1965) F1 1965 8 +3.212
70.756mph
5 +1:11.742
69.237mph
34 1:26.980
71.610mph
Dunlop  
Rainier
 Black Night Racing
Honda RA272 F1 1965 6 +2.233
71.551mph
7 +1:16.046
69.140mph
34 1:27.118
71.496mph
Goodyear  
bernie
 Soggy Bottom Racers Club
Brabham BT11 (Climax) F1 1965 9 +3.333
70.659mph
8 (+1) +1L
67.767mph
33 1:27.455
71.221mph
Goodyear  
dave curtis
 Black Night Racing
Lotus 33 (Climax 1965) F1 1965 11 +4.549
69.697mph
9 +11.907
67.502mph
33 1:28.693
70.227mph
Dunlop  
Gareth
 
Lotus 33 (Climax 1965) F1 1965 1 1:24.818
73.435mph
10 +4L
71.968mph
30 1:25.871
72.535mph
Disco
Dunlop  
Billy Nobrakes
 Black Night Racing
Brabham BT11 (Climax) F1 1965 13 11 +23L
66.892mph
11 1:30.008
69.201mph
accident
Goodyear  
Kai J.Daum
 
BRM P261 (1965) F1 1965 10 +4.535
69.708mph
12 +26L
64.991mph
8 1:31.339
68.192mph
Disco
Dunlop  
9 UKGPL
 
Brabham BT11 (Climax) F1 1965 12 13 DNS ---
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Goodyear  
Rick65
 
Cooper T77 (Climax) F1 1965 7 +2.267
71.524mph
Excluded +0L
69.157mph
34 1:26.909
71.668mph
Dunlop  

Moderator's Report

SUMMARY

Philippe Girard inherits the win when Gareth Hall -who started from Pole and led for the first 30 laps, also setting the fastest lap- suffered from electrical problems. Mike James finishes an excellent second, and Jani Posta rounds out the podium. Congratulations to the podium, and commiserations to Gareth, and the other retirements.

I have seen a few incidents, that were not reported. These will not be moderated.


Dave Curtis reports he was not scored anymore by the server after 9 laps. He was not kicked by the server, but hardly appeared until he reappeared after about 2/3 of the race distance. It is impossible to say how many laps he completed, but it is fair to say he completed more laps than Gareth. Therefore I have decided to reinstate Dave since he finished the race.


Server replay time: 0h10m32s

Dave Rainier reports he lost a lot of trackposition and time after Bernie Darwin -who had spun- reversed a bit and then went forward. Dave had to make avoiding action and was stuck in between the wall and Bernie.

Bernie argues Dave could have slowed more and take the utmost inside of Pont Oscar, where the incident occurred. Bernie was not aware what happened during the race.

Dave got waved yellow flags, and he certainly slowed. But when Bernie reversed, Dave steered to the right trying to avoid Bernie, just when Bernie went forward again. This meant Dave lost a lot of trackposition and a better result. Dave did nothing wrong, he simply was unlucky. Bernie was not aware of Dave, and the topography of the track did not help, plus the nature of the spin and position of Bernie. Using pribluda for trackposition of cars could have helped to avoid this situation, being aware of where Dave was.

Inconsiderate Bad Rejoin: Penalty 1 Places - The rejoining driver was in full control but nevertheless drove straight back onto the track without leaving enough room for other cars. Contact was NOT made but other drivers had to take avoiding action.


Server replay time: 0h41m21s

Rick fails to take a Stop & Go within 2 laps after he does a reset. The division rules say this means a DQ. See the championship page for specific division rules. Also the racepost states you have to do a S&G within 2 laps after the reset.

  • Rick65 — Failing to take Stop & Go after Shift-R — excluded


Server replay time: 0h49m31s

Bernie resets in the last lap, and chooses not to do his Stop & Go. The UKGPL rules page says:

If a driver makes a shift-R on the last lap then, depending on the layout of the pit lane and position of the finish line, it may be possible for a driver to take the Stop and Go at the end of the last lap and cross the finish line in the pit lane. If this is not possible or the driver elects not to do it then the moderator may apply a reduced time penalty (normally 15 seconds) on the basis that the driver did not have sufficient opportunity to perform the Stop and Go.

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« Reply #30 on: June 29, 2016, 12:23:48 PM +0100 »

Mod report published. Please report incidents when you feel been doing wrong. I will not moderate unreported incidents. Cheers Wink
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« Reply #31 on: June 29, 2016, 05:44:20 PM +0100 »

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Using pribluda for trackposition of cars could have helped to avoid this situation, being aware of where Dave was.

Ta for the modding , have to say that Pribluda was of no help in this situation , ce'st la vie  Roll Eyes
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« Reply #32 on: June 29, 2016, 07:23:45 PM +0100 »

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Using pribluda for trackposition of cars could have helped to avoid this situation, being aware of where Dave was.

Ta for the modding , have to say that Pribluda was of no help in this situation , ce'st la vie  Roll Eyes

I see Bernie, assumed you didn't use prib judging your incident report. If you had seen Dave R.'s trackposition at prib, you might have waited to reverse/forward. Thanks for understanding. Wink
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« Reply #33 on: June 29, 2016, 11:08:19 PM +0100 »

Most certainly , why would i risk a collision and having to do a possible reset and  stop - go penalty ?

Also you state David slowed for the waved yellow , but looking at my replay and comparing with other laps , he did not slow approaching the corner , he did not slow until he was well into the corner , which was then too late IMO .

He approached that same corner on other laps at a speed similar or slower than the lap in question .

Of course your opinion is the one that counts and I accept your decision even though on this occasion I disagree  !   

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« Reply #34 on: June 29, 2016, 11:30:16 PM +0100 »

Most certainly , why would i risk a collision and having to do a possible reset and  stop - go penalty ?

Also you state David slowed for the waved yellow , but looking at my replay and comparing with other laps , he did not slow approaching the corner , he did not slow until he was well into the corner , which was then too late IMO .

He approached that same corner on other laps at a speed similar or slower than the lap in question .

Of course your opinion is the one that counts and I accept your decision even though on this occasion I disagree  !  



David was at least 10kmh slower than the laps before at the point where the yellow was waved,  before the turn. David had 1s to react, and the waved yellow wasn't easy to spot in the first place. It's like you blame David for your own spin and rejoin.

Fact is your rejoin was inconsiderate, and David had to make evasive action because you reversed towards the racing line. Fact is David did everything right, and he suffered from your inconsideration. You should have waited for David to pass before reversing/go forward. But as you said, you weren't aware.

How are drivers suppose to learn fom their mistakes if they do not recognize them?  Roll Eyes
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« Reply #35 on: June 30, 2016, 10:42:56 AM +0100 »

Most certainly , why would i risk a collision and having to do a possible reset and  stop - go penalty ?

Also you state David slowed for the waved yellow , but looking at my replay and comparing with other laps , he did not slow approaching the corner , he did not slow until he was well into the corner , which was then too late IMO .

He approached that same corner on other laps at a speed similar or slower than the lap in question .

Of course your opinion is the one that counts and I accept your decision even though on this occasion I disagree  !   



Honestly, I can't remember if I slowed or not. Replay should give the answer.

I just saw you going back, so I "decide" (I had a short time to make this decision Smiley ) to pass in front of your car and not behind.
At this moment, you changed your direction and were going forward so I tried to avoid the contact and was blocked between your car and the wall.

I don't know what you should have done in such situation. Maybe look at Pribluda and not move if other racers were approaching.
But in such condition, the worst is to suddenly change of direction.

 
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« Reply #36 on: June 30, 2016, 12:46:04 PM +0100 »

Pribluda was not working , well it was , sort of , but it was haywire !

We can all do a lot with hindsight,  but on the day I chose to reverse a little away from a solid wall onto part of the track to enable me to make a turn. I did what "at the moment in time"  I thought was the best way to get out of the situation and made a point of leaving room behind so any car following  would be able to pass safely on the "usual racing line " I think it is clear from the replay that I did that as well as I could under the circumstance .

I was careful not to block the whole track off and to move forward again quickly to resume racing and clear the track for any following cars .

I don't understand how Robert's report can reach the conclusion that I "drove straight back onto the track without leaving enough room for other cars" I am sorry Robert but in my view that is a nonsense , perhaps you need to visit specsavers my friend  Grin



 
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« Reply #37 on: June 30, 2016, 12:56:42 PM +0100 »

"I was careful not to block the whole track off"
Perhaps, but the following driver ( ...me) could not be sure you will stop and where you will stop, when you were going back.


By the way, this one place penalty doesn't change anything to the final position as you also had a 15 sec penalty (and Dave Curtis was 11 sec behind you).
So maybe, we can stop the discussion here.
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« Reply #38 on: June 30, 2016, 07:44:06 PM +0100 »

No complaint with the penalty , as you say it makes no difference to the result , the complaint is of me being at fault because i spin in a bad place and re join regardless of the consequence to others , as I  have explained this is not so .

Being told I caused your spin because I was thoughtless is wrong ,  the fact is you were being careless by approaching the scene of an accident at unreduced speed and not  observing the flag code

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"I was careful not to block the whole track off" Perhaps, but the following driver ( ...me) could not be sure you will stop and where you will stop, when you were going back.

That is why we have waved yellow flags which mean SLOW DOWN and beware the unexpected . what is the point of having the flags if we don't observe them . ignore the flags by all means but be prepared to accept the outcome if you do.


   
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« Reply #39 on: July 01, 2016, 10:35:02 AM +0100 »

OK OK I was careless and I don't understand how I was able to stop my car between your car and the wall without any contact !

Surely, it was a miracle.


 
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