UKGTL Season 17 European GTC Cup - Golden Valley - Jan 23

[EvilClive]

Thanks for that insight Geoff. It certainly made me laugh out loud.

Being a long time GPL addict, what you propose would be considered heresy over there and probably result in a public thrashing with a wet fish.
I tend to subconsciously apply the GPL rules for setups and moving the brake bias to the rear is what one does to promote a loose rear end ( if you will pardon the phrase!) and encourage turn in and correct understeer.
 
So, I have been religiously moving the brake bias towards the front wheels AND increasing the brake pressure in vain attempts to reduce that snap oversteer problem!!   
Then, to compound my problems, I resort to drastic adjustments to diff and roll bars to compensate for the weird and unpredictable behaviour of the car. My diff setting are often in the 20/10-40/20 range just to get some response!!
Plus of course, I was under some insane illusion that the Alpine was front wheel drive and was trying to apply the recently acquired Mini driving technique, powering the car through the corners.
Given all the above it is quite amazing that I even got around the first corner!!!!!

This might go some way to explaining why I struggle to get these cars to perform?? 

However, I doubt that this little nugget off advice will transform me into an all conquering alien who consistently breaks world record times in any car that I am asked to drive............................just thought that I should get that excuse in right away 

[Geoffers]

Thanks for that insight Geoff. It certainly made me laugh out loud.

Being a long time GPL addict, what you propose would be considered heresy over there and probably result in a public thrashing with a wet fish.
I tend to subconsciously apply the GPL rules for setups and moving the brake bias to the rear is what one does to promote a loose rear end ( if you will pardon the phrase!) and encourage turn in and correct understeer.
 
So, I have been religiously moving the brake bias towards the front wheels AND increasing the brake pressure in vain attempts to reduce that snap oversteer problem!!   
Then, to compound my problems, I resort to drastic adjustments to diff and roll bars to compensate for the weird and unpredictable behaviour of the car. My diff setting are often in the 20/10-40/20 range just to get some response!!
Plus of course, I was under some insane illusion that the Alpine was front wheel drive and was trying to apply the recently acquired Mini driving technique, powering the car through the corners.
Given all the above it is quite amazing that I even got around the first corner!!!!!

This might go some way to explaining why I struggle to get these cars to perform?? 

However, I doubt that this little nugget off advice will transform me into an all conquering alien who consistently breaks world record times in any car that I am asked to drive............................just thought that I should get that excuse in right away 

Lol Clive, looking forward to the wet fish thrashing! 

Thing is Clive, these are games & what works in one may not be correct in another or IRL. Just trying to say what works for me & why. I have certainly got faster by moving the brake bias more to the rear in most cars, but then the amount of rear brake you need is probably determined by how you drive. I have a tendency to keep a little throttle on while braking (only 2 pedals, so brake with left foot), whereas someone who right foot brakes or comes completely off the throttle will probably need the brakes more to the front than I do to prevent the rears locking up.

Did try GPL (briefly) but could not keep the car on the track so never persevered with it.

[Wiltshire Tony]

Thanks for the advice Geoffers.

I would love to add my race report but I seem to have erased most of it from my memory. Maybe it was the shock of not taking the Alpine. I know I had some good racing but for the life of me I cannot remember with whom. I also remember being knocked across the track on the start/finish straight before the bridge by an invisible object (twice  ). And I also remember having lapses in concentration and going off track quite often.

Well done to the guys who took the Cobra. I think Roger did pit for tyres about half way through the race tho.

Thank you for the feedback about the track. I do take note of your comments.

[Erling G-P]

Replay is your friend Tony 

With regards to setup: I didn't have snap oversteer at all in the Renault (those who saw me spin on L1 may beg to differ, but that was on cold tyres, with altered balance due to race fuel). All I changed was lowering the brake pressure, to prevent lockup, but it may have had a positive effect on snap oversteer too - I just never discovered the problem in the first place.

My setup skills are rudimentary at best.  If a car tends to spin when I brake, what mostly works for me is moving brake bias forward and/or increasing coast diff. Increasing brake pressure like Clive suggests, strikes me as something that would most likely make things worse, but as Geoffers says, much probably depends on personal driving style and the game itself.

That Geoffers gains speed by moving brake balance rearwards gives food for thought - normally I only move it forward if I have problems with spinning, but maybe should make a habit of moving it backwards until problems arise, to get the maximum out of the brakes.

Cheers,
Erling

[Wiltshire Tony]

I know, I know. But I'm currently re-fitting my main GTL PC so my time between races is precious.

Re: brake balance. GTL has the ability to assign keys to moving brake balance in race. Never tried it so cannot say if it works or not.

[EvilClive]

Re: brake balance. GTL has the ability to assign keys to moving brake balance in race. Never tried it so cannot say if it works or not.

Oh!!  Now you are really beginning to scare me Tony!   

[Bob M.]

I guess this is what you mean.  This key ] adds front bias,, this key adds rear[..  When you adjust them the numbers are posted at the top of the screen as you go.  Very useful in muscle cars as the fuel burns off. 

Bob M.

[roguk]

Thanks for the tips Geoffers/Tony and Bob.

Took the Cobra only car for me that i could get a reasonable lap time. Pitted about lap 18, for some reason i had got into my tiny brain that 2x tires was the same as 2x fuel so had to pit LOL, tires were quite worn but probably should have not stopped, tire change took 30 seconds.

Grats to Geoffers on win

Grats to Podium

[Jeep]

When I 1st messed around with GTL some years ago I usually moved the brake bias rearwards on most of the default set up's but since returning I tend to run very close to the garage settings but with significantly reduced pressure. In my case I think this is because when I renewed my interest in GTL I also went for the shifter instead of paddles for gears and also using the clutch (My old wheel only had 2 pedals) I also right foot brake with a very poor imitation of heel & toe thrown in so it's probably my less than smooth down changes which have forced me to leave the brake bias close to the default. I tend to tune using roll bars and diff along with adjustment of front and rear ride height. For the Alpine I had 53/47 brake bias and 30/90 diff settings which would feel very odd to most I'm sure.

Although I'm sure you know this already Clive, the diff settings between GTL & GPL are reversed GTL uses locking %age whereas GPL uses ramp angles. Just thought I would mention it as I didn't realise early on and couldn't work out why I ended up with a cow on Rollerskates.

No worries about the tap Bill, Been there, Done that.

TTFN
John.

[EvilClive]

@Jeep
Daisy says can she come over and play with your cow!!!   Talk about a day of shattered reality........not only does the brake bias appear to affect the handling in reverse to GPL, but now I discover that the diff works in reverse too!!!!!!!!!!!

I am putting myself into a darkened room and nurse has promised me extra sedatives tonight. It may be sometime before I emerge into daylight again................................................

I guess this is what you mean.  This key ] adds front bias,, this key adds rear[..  When you adjust them the numbers are posted at the top of the screen as you go.  Very useful in muscle cars as the fuel burns off. 

Bob M.

Are you serious?!!!!  we can adjust the brake bias on the run???


NURSE  more medication needed urgently!!! 

[Bob M.]

JJC/jim had a guide called ABC's of GTL, which had a list of obscure adjustments that you could trigger by keys.  It was up on Gamers Crib and I thought Nogrip but I can't find it and search brought up nothing for me.  I used to have a copy of it several years ago but computer crashes have taken it away.  Anybody else have it or a link?  Was really a great piece.  Just a thought.......

Bob M.

[Wiltshire Tony]

Never knew that existed Bob. Would love to get my hands on it.