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  • S31Pro Stardust: February 07, 2017
February 07, 2017, 10:36:59 PM +0000 - Stardust - UKGPL Season 31 (2017) Professionals Trophy (65)
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Nat. Make Model Class Qualifying Race
Tyres Pos Time/Gap Pos Time/Gap Laps Stops Best Retirement
reason
Ballast
EvilClive
 Blue Moose Racing
Honda RA272 F1 1965 6 +1.438
108.983mph
1 46:50.579
107.624mph
28 1:38.741
109.409mph
Goodyear  
MagicArsouille
 
Cooper T77 (Climax) F1 1965 4 +1.041
109.421mph
2 +4.616
107.448mph
28 1:39.107
109.005mph
Dunlop  
roo
 Team Groundhog
Lotus 33 (Climax 1965) F1 1965 5 +1.251
109.188mph
3 +5.962
107.397mph
28 1:38.727
109.424mph
Dunlop  
Baab
 Team Baarf
Honda RA272 F1 1965 2 +0.841
109.643mph
4 +8.274
107.309mph
28 1:38.064
110.164mph
Goodyear  
AndyL
 
Brabham BT11 (Climax) F1 1965 8 +2.424
107.909mph
5 +51.295
105.695mph
28 1:40.370
107.633mph
Goodyear  
DLogan
 
Ferrari 512 F1 1965 7 +1.871
108.509mph
6 (+2) +56.870
105.490mph
28 1:39.232
108.867mph
Dunlop  
philippe GIRARD
 Blue Moose Racing
Lotus 33 (Climax 1965) F1 1965 9 +3.196
107.083mph
7 +1:17.956
104.720mph
28 1:39.399
108.684mph
Dunlop  
Carlos Cendejas
 
Brabham BT11 (Climax) F1 1965 10 +3.420
106.846mph
8 +1:53.050
103.463mph
28 1:40.791
107.183mph
Goodyear  
Doni Yourth
 Blue Moose Racing
Ferrari 512 F1 1965 13 9 +1L
103.179mph
27 1:41.613
106.316mph
Dunlop  
Ronniepeterson
 
Brabham BT7 (Climax) F1 1965 11 +5.105
105.095mph
10 (+2) +5L
103.233mph
23 1:42.324
105.577mph
Disco
Dunlop  
Robert Fleurke
 Antipasti Racing
Cooper T77 (Climax) F1 1965 1 1:37.689
110.587mph
11 +13L
108.742mph
15 1:38.606
109.558mph
Disco
Dunlop  
Cookie
 Antipasti Racing
Lotus 33 (Climax 1965) F1 1965 3 +1.013
109.452mph
12 +23L
106.410mph
5 1:39.759
108.292mph
Disco
Dunlop  
60fps UKGPL8
 
BRM P261 (1965) F1 1965 12 13 DNS ---
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Dunlop  

Moderator's Report

Some avoidable incidents at the start and the end of the race.

Remember to be cautious on 1st lap.
Then make easy the overtake of the leaders when you are lapped.


Server replay time: 0h01m25s

On the first lap, on the Esses, Andrew and Roo went out of the track on the sand.
Andrew was on the sand at left, and Roo was joining the track at right.
Philippe was just behind them and he slowly reduced his speed, in a cautious way.
Dean could not avoid to rearend Philippe\\\'s car.

Penalty for Dean : 1 place + 1 for first lap.


Server replay time: 0h41m16s

Tristan was leading and was trying to lap Ronnie.
This happened on the start of lap25 on the Esses, during more than 30 seconds : Tristan made several tries to overtake but never Ronnie made them easy.

According to the rules, ignoring blue flag would give a penalty of 1 or 2 places, but it was not easy on this part of the tracks and finally Tristan could overtake without incident (...not yet).

Warning for Ronnie : you should reduce speed or leave the racing line, what you prefer but only for one objective : make easy the overtake of the leaders.


Server replay time: 0h42m01s

15 seconds after the previous incident, when Tristan could hardly overtake Ronnie, Ronnie rearended the leader ...

Rear end shunt cost 1 place.
Plus 1 place because in this case a backmarker rearend the race leader.
It surely costed the win to Tristan

SimRacing.org.uk Lap Records
Grand Prix Legends
F1 1965
1:37.689
110.513mph
Robert Fleurke
Qualifying
Cooper T77 (Climax)February 07, 2017, 10:36:59 PM +0000
S31Pro
Grand Prix Legends
F1 1965
1:38.064
110.091mph
Baab
Race
Honda RA272February 07, 2017, 10:36:59 PM +0000
S31Pro
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« Reply #15 on: February 15, 2017, 09:21:08 PM +0000 »

Solid race , leading after Rob desepear :/....till I 'm ready to laped Ronnie ..... then ( better to look at the reaplay ! )..... this unfair behaviour is just inaceptable....and even at this time , I ear no excuse at all !!!....    ...gentleman driver you said !?.....hummmm !....
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« Reply #16 on: February 15, 2017, 09:28:28 PM +0000 »

Ronnie and Tristan, I saw your incident reports.

Could you precise at what lap it happens (or at what time, around) ?
I don't want to watch your full race  Tongue

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« Reply #17 on: February 16, 2017, 11:15:40 PM +0000 »

I can't load the reaplay, the page don't work whith me !?...but the action should be about 5 laps to go .... just when EvilClive take the lead ....Smiley
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« Reply #18 on: February 17, 2017, 12:17:49 AM +0000 »

Pauls server is still down

Get it here: https://www.sendspace.com/file/82oxkc
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« Reply #19 on: February 17, 2017, 10:20:07 PM +0000 »

.....Still not working here  !!?.....grrrrrrr ! Embarrassed
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« Reply #20 on: February 18, 2017, 12:08:16 AM +0000 »

David look in replay analyzer for a long laptime of Tristan, then go to "detailed race report" lap 25 Wink

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Leader of the race starts lap 25

42m00.140s
Tristan Bot - spotters reporting:
medium problems with right front tire.
severe problems with right front suspension.
minor problems with right rear suspension.

42m02.140s
65 evilclive overtakes Tristan Bot for position 1.

42m04.140s
Tristan Bot - spotters reporting:
minor problems with left rear suspension.

42m11.140s
Bob Whitwell overtakes Tristan Bot for position 2.
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« Reply #21 on: February 18, 2017, 08:24:11 AM +0000 »

Thanks Axel !

I already had a look at the replay and I will soon post moderation for this race.

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« Reply #22 on: February 18, 2017, 09:30:13 AM +0000 »

Moderation posted.
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« Reply #23 on: February 21, 2017, 06:31:08 PM +0000 »

Moderation posted.

When I get twice the penalty (two places lost vs. one*, and 2 penalty points vs. 1) for our respective transgressions, the system is broken. thumbdown

*yes, that's due to the "50% distance to score points" thing, but if supposedly fair rule + supposedly fair rule = unfair result, it's not "fair + fair = 2x as fair", it's UNfair.
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« Reply #24 on: February 21, 2017, 09:26:17 PM +0000 »

Dean

The penalty system is built into SRou and applies to all Sims (GTR, GTL etc) hosted on SRou.  There is an explanation of how it applies to UKGPL is under the Yellow card paragraph on this page and a worked example is here.  

Just to be clear, the Yellow Card system automated and is built into SRou, the UKGPL moderators don't have a choice in how it is applied.  We just declare an incident as worthy of a caution, warning or penalty and the system does the rest.

As for the incidents themselves, I don't want to comment or compare the incidents, as all incidents are judged separately and on their own merits. So if we accept that both incidents have attracted the same penalty, i.e. 2 places then there is nothing wrong with the results table, it is just the way the algorithm works.  

Ronnie should have been dropped 2 places but because he was the next to last classified finisher he can only drop 1 place.  If the calculation of 2 places is done on the finishers before the < 50%  finishers are discounted, all that would do is demote Ronnie twice and then promote him once when the < 50% finishers were removed.  The net result is the same.

The only way to avoid this specific issue is to drop the 50% rule.  Even then, being last or second to last of all finishers means a 2 place penalty either has no effect or a reduced (i.e. 1 place) effect.

Trying to complicate the algorithm to award Ronnie 13 points for 12th place but show him as 11th in the table would be too cumbersome in my view. I'm not sure I could persuade Dave Gymer (SRou web master and site owner) that this "feature" is sufficient to warrant a rewrite of the algorithm.

I hope this rather long winded reply goes some way to explain that we, the moderating team, are simply trying to apply the rules as fairly and as consistently as possible.  After all the rules are the same for everybody, next time it might be you that benefits from this "feature".  So overall I for one am satisfied that the rules are perfectly fair.

*** Update ***.  Dean, I've re-read your post and noticed I missed something. I've updated the mod report to correctly classify the incident at 0h42m01s as a penalty.  The system has now applied the right number of Yellow Card points for a penalty (i.e. 2).  Now Ronnie has 3 Yellow Card points in the championship table but the race result and allocated points remains the same. The system is fair if we use it properly!

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« Reply #25 on: February 22, 2017, 03:16:10 PM +0000 »

Dean

About your other question : how to file an appeal about moderation ?

I just saw that in the rules :

Process Driver Appeals  : A driver is entitled to appeal to the Chief Moderator if they disagree with a Divisional Moderator's ruling.
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