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February 19, 2017, 09:42:52 PM +0000 - Panchine - UKGPL Season 31 (2017) Historic Trophy (66)
Driver
 Team
Nat. Make Model Class Qualifying Race
Tyres Pos Time/Gap Pos Time/Gap Laps Stops Best Retirement
reason
Ballast
EvilClive
 Blue Moose Racing
Honda RA273 F1 1966 3 +0.815
131.775mph
1 47:58.539
129.200mph
25 1:53.688
130.852mph
Goodyear  
Doni Yourth
 Blue Moose Racing
Honda RA273 F1 1966 8 +2.237
130.135mph
2 +0.328
129.185mph
25 1:53.644
130.903mph
Goodyear  
Samb
 Black Night Racing
Eagle T1G (Weslake 1966) F1 1966 6 +2.129
130.258mph
3 +16.429
128.467mph
25 1:54.000
130.494mph
Goodyear  
Alessandro Isacchini
 Virtual Drivers Alliance
Ferrari 312 (1966) F1 1966 1 1:52.077
132.733mph
4 +21.970
128.221mph
25 1:52.138
132.661mph
Firestone  
Cookie
 Antipasti Racing
Eagle T1G (Weslake 1966) F1 1966 14 +3.181
129.070mph
5 +26.315
128.030mph
25 1:54.055
130.431mph
Goodyear  
fpolicardi
 Team7
Cooper T81 (Maserati) F1 1966 12 +2.634
129.685mph
6 +26.445
128.024mph
25 1:53.612
130.939mph
Firestone  
Rainier
 Black Night Racing
Ferrari 312 (1966) F1 1966 13 +3.126
129.131mph
7 +26.685
128.013mph
25 1:53.800
130.723mph
Firestone  
AndyL
 
Ferrari 312 (1966) F1 1966 10 +2.430
129.916mph
8 +40.328
127.415mph
25 1:54.310
130.140mph
Firestone  
AnGex
 Black Night Racing
Cooper T81 (Maserati) F1 1966 11 +2.487
129.851mph
9 +57.130
126.686mph
25 1:54.320
130.129mph
Firestone  
philippe GIRARD
 Blue Moose Racing
BRM P83 F1 1966 19 +5.895
126.100mph
10 +1L
123.249mph
24 1:57.894
126.184mph
Goodyear  
francesco
 Antipasti Racing
Ferrari 312 (1966) F1 1966 17 +4.828
127.251mph
11 +10.460
122.805mph
24 1:57.821
126.262mph
Firestone  
MagicArsouille
 
Eagle T1G (Weslake 1966) F1 1966 4 +1.013
131.544mph
12 +12L
128.533mph
13 1:53.956
130.544mph
Disco
Goodyear  
Iestyn Davies
 Blue Moose Racing
Lotus 43 (BRM) F1 1966 15 +4.034
128.121mph
13 +1.715
128.386mph
13 1:53.856
130.659mph
Header
Firestone  
DLogan
 
Ferrari 312 (1966) F1 1966 7 +2.167
130.215mph
14 +13L
126.299mph
12 1:54.361
130.082mph
Disco
Firestone  
bagrupp
 Team Groundhog
Ferrari 312 (1966) F1 1966 5 +1.981
130.427mph
15 (+2) +18L
127.881mph
7 1:54.566
129.849mph
Disco
Firestone  
JonnyO
 Team Coyote
Ferrari 312 (1966) F1 1966 9 +2.387
129.965mph
16 +8.176
126.609mph
7 1:54.425
130.009mph
Disco
Firestone  
Gareth
 REV
Ferrari 312 (1966) F1 1966 2 +0.458
132.193mph
17 +20L
126.277mph
5 1:54.060
130.425mph
Disco
Firestone  
Billy Nobrakes
 Black Night Racing
Ferrari 312 (1966) F1 1966 16 +4.441
127.674mph
18 +25L
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Disco
Firestone  
Phil Thornton
 Antipasti Racing
Ferrari 312 (1966) F1 1966 18 +5.119
126.935mph
19
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0 ---
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Disco
Firestone  
4 UKGPL
 
Ferrari 312 (1966) F1 1966 19 20 DNS ---
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Firestone  

Moderator's Report

Summary
With the championship leaders limited to the slower cars, the race was wide open with at least half a dozen drivers in with the chance of a win. Despite being underpowered, the long straights gave the Eagles a chance to stay in touch with the leaders. Eventually the two Hondas prevailed with Evil grabbing the top step of the podium with Doni less than a second behind. Sam brought the underpowered Eagle home in a very creditable third place. A special mention must go to Alessandro who for the second race in a row was denied a podium finish by an unlucky mistake. It is surely only a matter of time before he scores his maiden UKGPL win.


Server replay time: 0h01m55s

Lap 1 – Turn 5 – Francesco Molteni and Iestyn Davies

Iestyn gets into a rear wheel slide on the apex of the corner. He manages to correct the slide but looses a lot of momentum. Francesco has a much better exit speed and accelerates into the wide open gap that has appeared on Iestyn\'s outside. Iestyn regains control and starts to accelerate but he is pointing slightly left and he clips Francesco\'s rear wheel causing both cars to spin. Unfortunately both cars make contact again but this time the excessive collision boxes propels Francesco\'s Ferrari into the trees. Fortunately both drivers can continue but Francesco looses a lot of time extricating himself from the undergrowth.

Francesco did nothing wrong, there was a clear opportunity to overtake and he made a clean attempt to pass.

Iestyn clearly made a minor error which lost him momentum. His half spin resulted in him pointing in the right direction to regain the racing line but he was unsighted and didn\'t see Francesco\'s Ferrari until contact had been made. Iestyn didn\'t turn the steering wheel in order to point in the direction he ended up in, so it would be harsh penalise him for a side-by-side contact. Nevertheless a driver of his experience should have been able to anticipate an attack from behind and driven in a straight line until he was sure there was no car alongside.

  • Iestyn Daviesadvice — Maintain a straight course if you are under attack and unsighted.


Server replay time: 0h14m48s

Lap 8 – Turn 2 – Bastian Grupp and Andreas Gebhardt

Bastian spins onto the grass on the outside of the track and allows his car to roll backwards onto the racing line. Andreas is approaching and cannot avoid Bastian\'s Ferrari. Contact is made, Bastian is out of the race but Andreas can continue after loosing some time and possibly incurring some suspension damage.

Andreas did nothing wrong.

Having made an unforced error it is Bastian\'s responsibility to rejoin carefully without interfering with the other drivers. His first thought should have been to keep his car off the racing line, so he should have applied the brakes instead of allowing his car to roll backwards onto the circuit. Only when he was sure there were no cars approaching should he have attempted to rejoin the race.

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« Reply #15 on: February 20, 2017, 03:23:13 PM +0000 »

Ripper of a race!  Prancing Horse?  NAH!  You needed the Red Ball Special!  Smiley

Grats to Clive on a fine win.  Close for me but no cigar.  Quite happy with a P2 placing.  Fine job by Sam to score a podium with the weak-in-the-knees Eagle.

The start was quite entertaining as I shot through the hole between Sam and Dean as both were tardy off the line.  Up to places before T1!  LOL!  Managed to catch the breeze off the lead serial and hang on comfortably.  Early fallers like Alex and Bastian...bad luck there, bud...paved the way to a chance for a top placing.  Quite interesting to see that the weak Eagles of Sam and Tristan were able to hang onto the Hondas so well.  Good job, gys.

On Lap08, I had a bit of a giggle as Clive just up ahead got out of phase in the esses and careened about looking for grip and a way out of his dilemma.  I could have pressed the issue for a pass but that would have been unkind and kinda risky.  My real concern was for Sam and Tris directly behind me not realizing that I was holding back to miss Clive and giving me a punt.  Luckily, they realized in enough time to not get into the back of my Honda.

Lap16 and I must thank with appreciation Sam's falling on his sword to avoid a collision in the esses.  I noted that he disappeared in my mirrors to the left and thought, 'NAH...  He's not seriously trying a pass there, is he?'  I more or less took the line leaving Sam the only options of spinning or hitting me.  Bad luck there, Sam.  Glad to see that you recovered in time for P3.

With about six laps to run and Clive & I level-pegging, my vision started to fog a bit.  Bugger!  It wasn't too bad but a bit disappointing as I'm new meds which are definitely helping.  They just didn't last long enough.  With the prospect of making a bad mistake and costing me...and possibly Clive, too...a good finish, I decided to play for P2 unless circumstances fell into my lap for the win.  I took my chance with a slipstream pass of Clive on the penultimate lap and held him till the last tour when he got underneath me on braking as we came off the back straight.  Clive went a touch wide there I came within an ace of drawing alongside.  I still held hope for a chance at payback through the esses and on the final straight but no, it was not to be.  Better P2 than ashes.

I hadn't been monitoring my pitboard very often and hadn't noticed that Iestyn was running P5 behind the lead quartet and gaining ground.  Just as he was looking to join the lead serial, his engine expired.  Pity.  And poor Tristan suffered the same fate around the same time.  Hardly justice for either.

Other things of note from the replay cap...  Alex with a nice recovery from his early off to challenge Sam for a podium only to spin away the honour late on.  Fulvio coming up 1/2 pint short on petrol on the last lap and having to yield to Axel for P5 right at the line.  Bad luck there, FP.  Nice drive I must say, Cookie.  Dave right in hunt for that position, too.  Good show.

Fun track!  Smiley

I see that Clive has just posted as I was about to do the same.  Hope his report is an entertaining as the race was.
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« Reply #16 on: February 20, 2017, 03:56:40 PM +0000 »

I don't see replay at link, only me?
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« Reply #17 on: February 20, 2017, 04:29:22 PM +0000 »

The link in the race post works for me...
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« Reply #18 on: February 20, 2017, 04:44:21 PM +0000 »

This is what appears when click on the link  wacko


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« Reply #19 on: February 20, 2017, 05:22:55 PM +0000 »

ftp://ukgpl3.dyndns.org/replays/Archive/Season31/Historics/

Can you try to go with the folders tree to the right subfolder?
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« Reply #20 on: February 20, 2017, 06:08:33 PM +0000 »

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La pagina web all'indirizzo http://ftp://ukgpl3.dyndns.org/replays/Archive/Season31/Historics/ potrebbe essere temporaneamente non disponibile oppure è stata permanentemente spostata a un nuovo indirizzo web.
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« Reply #21 on: February 20, 2017, 06:36:30 PM +0000 »

Seems blocked by your OS, provider or browser, works with firefox here.

https://www.sendspace.com/file/nrdfns
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« Reply #22 on: February 20, 2017, 06:51:44 PM +0000 »

Tried with Opera also but same error, maybe OS has a block somewhere

Thanks for direct link Axel! this works fine
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« Reply #23 on: February 26, 2017, 01:30:23 PM +0000 »

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« Reply #24 on: February 26, 2017, 01:52:04 PM +0000 »

Well, my car was never clear beside the track after the multible spinning, every car going fast in the corner could have it hit me when I stopped, so I find that really hard penalty.
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« Reply #25 on: February 26, 2017, 06:46:16 PM +0000 »

Well, my car was never clear beside the track after the multible spinning, every car going fast in the corner could have it hit me when I stopped, so I find that really hard penalty.
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If you look at the penalty guidelines for a bad rejoin (see here) you will find a 2 place penalty is the minimum awarded when contact is made with another car.

In the moderator's report it states "he should have applied the brakes instead of allowing his car to roll backwards onto the circuit." Your actions in that situation suggest you were more interesting in rejoining the circuit than you were in the other driver's welfare.  That doesn't mean you were deliberately trying to interfere with other drivers, however avoiding them wasn't your top priority. But it should be.

Andreas was lucky, he could continue and you couldn't. But if the situation had been reversed and it had been Andreas who had been knocked out of the race that would have been far far harder on Andreas than any penalty could be on you.

I hope you can see the logic in the report, it isn't meant to be vindictive or harsh. Rather the intent is to encourage fair and considerate driving. If a lesson is learnt and a similar incident is avoided in future then all is well.  Anyway the 2 place demotion is academic anyway given that you didn't get to 50% race distance and therefore didn't score points.  The championship table is unaffected.
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« Reply #26 on: February 26, 2017, 10:42:11 PM +0000 »

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Andreas was lucky, he could continue and you couldn't. But if the situation had been reversed and it had been Andreas who had been knocked out of the race that would have been far far harder on Andreas than any penalty could be on you.



Sometimes I wonder what some people think for what the brakes are there...
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« Reply #27 on: February 26, 2017, 10:56:34 PM +0000 »

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Andreas was lucky, he could continue and you couldn't. But if the situation had been reversed and it had been Andreas who had been knocked out of the race that would have been far far harder on Andreas than any penalty could be on you.



Sometimes I wonder what some people think for what the brakes are there...

And I often wonder why some people have to get everything to the round table. For today, I could put someone on a investigation for a very bad rejoin, he lapped, me first and I have to hold the car under control on massenet somehow. Do I report It ? no, because I don't think it was intentionly, he didn't see me, like i didn't see you andreas. NO INTENTION. this should be more racing and less politics imo
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« Reply #28 on: February 26, 2017, 11:56:55 PM +0000 »

There have been very few occasions when a driver has deliberately caused or tried to cause an accident.  The only occasion I can recall was in this race in 2012 when a driver took the law into his own hands. He laid in wait for his opponent to come round on the next lap and tried to take him out.   This guy was banned from UKGPL.  The corollary here is that there is no intent in the overwhelming majority of incidents but does that mean we are content for the incidents to happen over and over again?  I suggest not, we all want good clean racing and that means we have to learn lessons from each and every incident. The purpose of the moderation is not to simply apportion blame but to learn lessons and improve driving standards. If the next time someone is in a situation where they are about to roll back onto the racing line, instead of letting it happen they decide to apply their brakes thus preventing an accident, then all this discussion will have been worthwhile. 
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