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March 12, 2017, 09:37:55 PM +0000 - Zandvoort (1948-72) - UKGPL Season 31 (2017) Graduates Cup Works (67)
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Nat. Make Model Class Qualifying Race
Tyres Pos Time/Gap Pos Time/Gap Laps Stops Best Retirement
reason
Ballast
Samb
 Black Night Racing
Ferrari 312 (1967) F1 1967 2 +0.416
110.248mph
1 50:26.387
108.500mph
35 1:25.490
109.742mph
Firestone  
roo
 Team Groundhog
Lotus 49 (Cosworth) F1 1967 6 +1.254
109.173mph
2 +20.578
107.767mph
35 1:25.587
109.617mph
Firestone  
JonnyO
 Team Coyote
Brabham BT24 (Repco) F1 1967 3 +0.560
110.062mph
3 +33.013
107.329mph
35 1:25.609
109.589mph
Goodyear  
FullMetalGasket
 Black Night Racing
Brabham BT24 (Repco) F1 1967 4 +0.621
109.983mph
4 +33.981
107.295mph
35 1:25.214
110.097mph
Goodyear  
DLogan
 
Brabham BT24 (Repco) F1 1967 9 +1.644
108.680mph
5 +41.715
107.025mph
35 1:25.785
109.364mph
Goodyear  
Baab
 Team Baarf
Cooper T81b (Maserati) F1 1967 8 +1.641
108.684mph
6 +51.045
106.700mph
35 1:26.054
109.022mph
Firestone  
GregT
 Team Baarf
Honda RA300 F1 1967 10 +1.689
108.623mph
7 +57.902
106.463mph
35 1:26.292
108.722mph
Firestone  
Turkey Machine
 
Lotus 49 (Cosworth) F1 1967 7 +1.341
109.063mph
8 +1L
105.317mph
34 1:26.322
108.684mph
Firestone  
Arf Arf Arf
 Team Baarf
Honda RA300 F1 1967 11 +2.795
107.250mph
9 +6.043
105.108mph
34 1:27.622
107.071mph
Firestone  
Doni Yourth
 Blue Moose Racing
BRM P115 F1 1967 14 +3.205
106.750mph
10 +25.237
104.447mph
34 1:28.068
106.529mph
Goodyear  
Ronniepeterson
 
Honda RA300 F1 1967 17 +3.695
106.158mph
11 +49.896
103.611mph
34 1:28.379
106.154mph
Firestone  
philippe GIRARD
 Blue Moose Racing
Cooper T81b (Maserati) F1 1967 12 +3.056
106.931mph
12 +1:01.048
103.237mph
34 1:27.039
107.789mph
Firestone  
AnGex
 Black Night Racing
Cooper T81b (Maserati) F1 1967 18 +3.788
106.046mph
13 +1:10.337
102.927mph
34 1:28.843
105.600mph
Firestone  
Syd Drake
 Drake Racing
BRM P115 F1 1967 16 +3.688
106.166mph
14 +2L
100.945mph
33 1:28.357
106.181mph
Goodyear  
MagicArsouille
 
Brabham BT24 (Repco) F1 1967 1 1:24.681
110.790mph
15 +3L
107.798mph
32 1:25.098
110.247mph
Goodyear  
Pelle_B
 TEAM-GTLDK
Honda RA300 F1 1967 5 +0.659
109.934mph
16 +4L
105.953mph
31 1:25.209
110.103mph
Disco
Firestone  
Oly9
 Drake Racing
BRM P115 F1 1967 15 +3.410
106.501mph
17 +20L
99.637mph
15 1:28.730
105.734mph
Disco
Goodyear  
Marco Mercaldo
 Squadra Padova Corse
Honda RA300 F1 1967 13 +3.131
106.840mph
18 +35L
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Disco
Firestone  
Oly9
 Drake Racing
Ferrari 312 (1967) F1 1967 19 DNS ---
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Firestone  
9 UKGPL
 
Lotus 49 (Cosworth) F1 1967 19 20 ---
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Firestone  

Moderator's Report

A win for Sam in the Ferrari. Roo was dropped by the server on Lap 1. His position is reinstated to second place, ahead of Jonny O.


Server replay time: 0h19m39s

Syd had lost control in the preceding corner & spins across the track. Tristan is leading the race (about to lap Syd) but can\'t avoid contact with Syd\'s car.


Server replay time: 0h48m16s

Later in the race, Tristan is now in 2nd place & looking to lap Syd.Tristan is buzzing around in Syd\\\\\\\'s mirrors from Tarzan until Pulleveldt - half a lap or so. Replay mode does not appear to show blue flags, we must assume they were being waved. The leading cars expect not to get held up for a couple of corners. There are no easy places to give way, maybe after Hugenloltz? Tristan is obviously frustrated & makes a move in Pulleveldt, hitting Syd & ending his own race. Tristan would have passed easily on the straight, so a few seconds patience would have helped.
The rules on blue flags are below,

Deliberately Ignoring Blue Flags: Penalty 2 places
1.The lapped driver clearly ignored the blue flags on several occasions. Good opportunities to let the lapping driver through were ignored. The lapping driver had not been lost by the server (hence blue flags and pit board signals were valid). The lapped driver should have reasonably expected another car to be behind and much quicker at this stage in the race.

Ignoring Blue Flags: Penalty 1 place
1.The lapped driver clearly ignored the blue flags on several occasions. Good opportunities to let the lapping driver through were ignored. The lapping driver had not been lost by the server (hence blue flags and pit board signals were valid). The lapped driver may not have expected another car to be behind and much quicker at this stage in the race.

Both drivers could be awarded an penalty (ignoring blue flags, rear end shunt)but there were mitigating circumstances. A little more co-operation &/or patience would have spared both drivers a costly incident. Having debated with other moderators it is decided

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« Reply #15 on: March 13, 2017, 12:23:15 PM +0000 »

I just missed this race after returning from a theatre debut of grandson in Coventry. I like Zandvoort and was hoping to drag the Beast of Bourne around for a few points.
Not likely to challenge the leaders as I still cannot find the sweet spot with this car. Maybe I should have started to use it about 10 years ago!!??  Roll Eyes

Grats to Sam, Roo and Johnny-O.
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« Reply #16 on: March 13, 2017, 02:01:58 PM +0000 »

Grats on a fine win, Sam!  Great job by Jonny for P2 and Tim with a brilliant recovery for the final podium placing.

Sorry you were a bit late for the start, Clive.  You were missed.

When I first joined iGOR and accessed the UK server, I got the impression that Honda was having a fire sale.  There were five of about nine so far.  LOL!

Zandvoort is not on my shortlist of fav venues.  I find it way too busy and tiring.  The strat here is just get it home in one piece.  In qualifying, I felt that my G25 steering was not up to snuff even after a re-calibration in-game.  Probably down to me as in-race, it was OK.  I bonused a few positions off the start and thanks to some offs by the gang up ahead and took up position behind Arf.  After about five laps, my vision just simply caved.  This was a great surprise and disappointment as recent treatment with medicated eye drops have proved quite beneficial.  I could hardly see the freakin' road and looking to challenge Arf was not prudent.  Ditto for the early fallers that came roaring back to claim their higher positions earned in qualifying.  I was not up to defending and gave everyone a wave-by.  Sorry to see that Greg had trouble in passing.  Not easy to give way here.  Glad to see that you finally made good on it.

The eyeballs cleared in the late laps as they sometimes do and I managed to hang in for P10(corrected, I think, due to Roo's scoring error)and am satisfied with the result considering.
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« Reply #17 on: March 13, 2017, 06:20:36 PM +0000 »

Replay link fixed Wink
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« Reply #18 on: March 13, 2017, 06:44:31 PM +0000 »

Doni - re your fire sale - I don't know about others but I took the Honda because it was what the late great John Surtees used in the 67 race, and I wanted to mark his passing.

As for your pursuit of me during the race - I could see you all the way, and I couldn't shake you - I knew I wouldn't be competitive in the Honda and had also gone for a safe steady pace to try and get home (and not retire like Mr Surtees did). I was happy to let anyone quick pass (as all the victims of L1 did). However, all of a sudden I thought you were right up my tailpipes bored of following me - it took a little while to realise that it was Tim (also in a green car...) - sorry for holding you up Tim. I know we were fighting for position, but I knew I'd be wasting both our times fighting it. Also I think it was Jethro who seemed to get surprised by me pulling over approaching Schevlak to let him by, and promptly crashed - I hope that was't to do with me.

One thing about qually - please use Prib and your mirrors. I had a flying lap ruined by someone asleep in the hairpin, after I saw them leave the pits ahead of me...no reason for that.
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« Reply #19 on: March 13, 2017, 08:58:43 PM +0000 »


It's good to see Bob finish.


Cheers Greg, I've been making hard work of this season.  Not a great result but achieved my goal of finishing, which is even more surprising given how things went in practice and qualifying.

I also find Zandy tough, especially getting the line through the chicane in the middle (if I can call it that) and the last corner.  Race started well though, I benefited from the L1 crashes and found myself in 4th with Roo breathing down my neck.  I was tempted to let you go Roo, but left you to find a way in your expensive wheelz and not defend the inside.  Thanks for taking your time and keeping us both safe.  As Roo mentioned I celebrated his pass with a spin and then 3 or 4 more (at least) on the run in to the flag.  A bit disappointed with that.  I was keeping a gap to Tim for quite a few laps but took myself off for a tour of the dunes rather than hold the position.  There was also an incident with Dean, into T1 but we both managed to continue.  I braked too late in the scrap...you did a good job of avoiding, need to view the rpy.

Didn't quite get into the 25s, which was one of my goals, so disappointed in that but actually quite liked the Cooper round here.

Cheers,

Bob.
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« Reply #20 on: March 13, 2017, 10:16:01 PM +0000 »

  Congrats Sam!

  Amazing this fun race! but ....I made a lot of mistakes and it was harmful to Logan, and my car also crashed in the 1st corner and hit Pelle, I'm sorry, Embarrassed

  I have already accepted the decision of judges.
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« Reply #21 on: March 13, 2017, 10:57:14 PM +0000 »

 my car also crashed in the 1st corner and hit Pelle, I'm sorry, Embarrassed

  I have already accepted the decision of judges.

I hope you saw my race report, yes it's unfortunate...but I have not contacted jury & will not do it.  Wink
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« Reply #22 on: March 14, 2017, 08:52:33 PM +0000 »

Grats Sam and podium! Looked like a fun race.  Smiley Respect for the Surtees tribute. It's a shame I wasn't able to make the race...
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« Reply #23 on: March 18, 2017, 11:36:54 PM +0000 »

I think leaders need to show a bit more patience when lapping, especially at a difficult to pass track like Zandvoort. I got hit 3-4 times by leaders that were trying to pass me as soon as they came up behind me, in places the overtaking can not be done. I can't make my car disappear, wait a few corners. I lost probably up to a minute recovering from being bumped of the track. Once was for position as well.
I was leading the race quite safely, but when I'm close to lap Syd, he spinn and I can't avoid him 'cause his car come back in the middle of track ( Syd , you should be hard on the breaks in a sutch case specialy when you know the leader is so close ! .... at this time I am 4 s faster than you and leading the field, if I stay behind you I will be quickely rejoint....the most fair is to let the leaders pass as quick as possible even in Zandvoort....but here, you overdrive,do a mistake and creat a accident ....^^!....my car is toutch is the accident and I lost 2s per lap after this !...so whith 2s slower the second will pass me easly and quickely....:/
....then , whith a car domadged , I have to push hard to keep my second place till the end....   ....I arrive again behind Syd to lap him for the second time ....but he close all doors and don't respect blue flags and don't giving room to pass.....at the end I think he goes left ...or right ?....I toutch him and my car fly away my race is finish !!!
So, Syd you have been hit 3-4 time by leaders !!? so ask you the right questions..... because you are shurely the only one lapped in this case, maybe because you think it's to the leader to be patient but it is not the case , it's to you to be fair and let the leaders pass especialy when you are dead last and nothing to gain..... and when you create a accident  or worth ended a race ,  apologies be welcome !
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« Reply #24 on: March 21, 2017, 11:51:40 PM +0000 »

First time from what I remember (I didn't watch the replay, they don't work for some reason for me) I just started to lose the back a bit, and I got nugged from behind into a spin.  Towards the end of the race someone caught me I think after the bridge, in a twisty part where you can't just move out of the way. But that someone stuck right to my back and then couldn't wait for the last turn to be over before running over me and putting us both in the fence.
I don't know if it was you both times, but reading your post it seems that way. I'm running my race and it's not my responsibility to park by the track and let you through.  I will let a lapping car by in a safe manner every time. It's not safe to do it in the twisty parts, and I won't apologize for driving my own race. You should also take into account that when you come up to lap someone their speed through the corners will not be the same as yours and drive accordingly. Losing time in traffic is also part of the race.
And if I wasn't taken out so many times by impatient leaders (seems mostly by you), maybe I wouldn't have been last.
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« Reply #25 on: March 27, 2017, 01:45:53 PM +0100 »

....well Syd..... it's clear that you stay on your position.....but you'r still not asking you the right questions : why 99% of the lapped are perfect but you Huh....why you are the only one to have been hit 4 times in a race !??
 ....you said:" I'm running my race and it's not my responsibility to park by the track and let you through."....
_first of all, the question is not to park the car but just to let room for the leaders ( 4s faster than you ! ) and respect the rulls  !! ...don't you see blue flags ?? or don't you have Pribluda ??.....no mirror Huh...
_secundo: your sentence show that you don't realy care about the others on track, you just do your race that's all !
 ......" I will let a lapping car by in a safe manner".....so YOU decide when you will let the leader pass !!!^^!.... Shocked
 ......" and I won't apologize for driving my own race."....so no apologies for crossing the track on my way !!??.....you are not alone on track !!....I'm not fighting whith you on the same lap for the last place !!..
......." Losing time in traffic is also part of the race. " ....so you are the " traffic " !!??.....or a mobile chicane !...
......." And if I wasn't taken out so many times by impatient leaders (seems mostly by you), maybe I wouldn't have been last. ".....and if I wasn't been stoped 2 times  by nonchalant lapped  ( seems by you ) , maybe I should finish and win this one .....
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« Reply #26 on: May 11, 2017, 10:25:53 PM +0100 »

Mod report now published.
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« Reply #27 on: May 21, 2017, 09:25:55 AM +0100 »

thanks admins Smiley
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