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October 18, 2017, 09:49:53 AM +0100 - Brands Hatch (GP) - UKAC Season 6 Lotus 25
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Nat. Make Model Class Qualifying Race
Tyres Pos Time/Gap Pos Time/Gap Laps Stops Best Retirement
reason
Ballast
Jeffrey
 
Lotus 25 {unknown} 1 1:42.138
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1 31:07.677
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18 1:42.567
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Firestone  
Fabri Fibra
 
Lotus 25 {unknown} 4 +0.343
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2 +5.277
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18 1:42.658
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Firestone  
Felix Simoes
 
Lotus 25 {unknown} 5 +0.470
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3 +7.705
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18 1:42.720
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Firestone  
ChrisR
 
Lotus 25 {unknown} 2 +0.092
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4 +10.317
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18 1:41.779
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Firestone  
PorcoRosso86
 
Lotus 25 {unknown} 6 +1.422
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5 +27.247
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18 1:43.964
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Firestone  
Maikel K.
 Team Shark
Lotus 25 {unknown} 3 +0.315
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6 +42.801
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18 1:42.615
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Firestone  
Simon Gymer
 Team Shark
Lotus 25 {unknown} 11 +4.030
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7 +46.404
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18 1:44.540
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Firestone  
Mark J
 Legends Racing
Lotus 25 {unknown} 9 +2.776
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8 +54.833
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18 1:44.325
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Firestone  
Sutol
 
Lotus 25 {unknown} 7 +2.474
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9 +54.938
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18 1:44.094
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Firestone  
frex
 Kerb Crawlers
Lotus 25 {unknown} 8 +2.617
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10 +57.319
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18 1:44.516
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Firestone  
Manteos
 Virtual Drivers Alliance
Lotus 25 {unknown} 10 +3.310
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11 +1:02.480
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18 1:45.213
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Firestone  
Stefan aka Postal
 Legends Racing
Lotus 25 {unknown} 14 +4.913
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12 +1:23.450
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18 1:46.228
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Firestone  
picnic
 Team Shark
Lotus 25 {unknown} 13 +4.282
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13 +1:30.341
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18 1:45.069
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Firestone  
Bob
 WSL Racing Team
Lotus 25 {unknown} 12 +4.078
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14 +1L
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17 1:45.249
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Firestone  
phspok
 Team Pseudo Racing
Lotus 25 {unknown} 15 +7.657
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15 +1:15.554
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17 1:48.143
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Firestone  
Walter Conn
 REV
Lotus 25 {unknown} 16 +10.144
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16 +1:33.824
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17 1:50.463
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Firestone  
APEXTECHUSA
 Supersonic Racing
Lotus 25 {unknown} 17 +12.661
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17 +1:40.147
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17 1:49.237
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Firestone  
dave curtis
 Black Night Racing
Lotus 25 {unknown} 18 +13.302
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18 +3L
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15 1:56.409
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Firestone  
Walter Conn
 REV
Lotus 25 {unknown} DNS ---
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Firestone  
goldtop
 Kerb Crawlers
Lotus 25 {unknown} ---
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Firestone  
dave curtis
 Black Night Racing
Lotus 25 {unknown} ---
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Firestone  
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« Reply #30 on: October 18, 2017, 08:57:58 AM +0100 »

I can't seem to find the password for tonights race yet.
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« Reply #31 on: October 18, 2017, 11:29:50 AM +0100 »

From Marks entry #18 above sort of implied it and also when you look at stracker laptimes some have "paddle", some have "other", I have "H shifter" and some just have "-" under the shifter section

I don't really see his post implying that. You can use any type of shifter for these cars, but I don't think you can switch between sessions. I also don't see any type being an advantage, the leader of the timings has H pattern, next one uses something else and I am using the paddles. People without any info aren't using stracker I think.
Quote from Mark, "You guys up front all using stick shifts? Sometimes think it's just down to type of controllers being used. My th8 feels authentic,  but not as fast as someone using paddles naturally."

Perhaps we're just talking at cross purposes here.

My point is that the 25 should be driven using the mechanics that were actually on the real car ie not paddles or auto blipping but just using the stick shift. It seems to make a nonsense to me to do otherwise, or am I just being an old fuddy duddy purist?
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« Reply #32 on: October 18, 2017, 11:43:59 AM +0100 »


Quote from Mark, "You guys up front all using stick shifts? Sometimes think it's just down to type of controllers being used. My th8 feels authentic,  but not as fast as someone using paddles naturally."

Perhaps we're just talking at cross purposes here.

My point is that the 25 should be driven using the mechanics that were actually on the real car ie not paddles or auto blipping but just using the stick shift. It seems to make a nonsense to me to do otherwise, or am I just being an old fuddy duddy purist?


If you buy me a stick, I'll use it  Tongue
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« Reply #33 on: October 18, 2017, 12:23:33 PM +0100 »

Well if you haven't got a stick shift and paddle is proven to be quicker then perhaps your car should be ballasted??

These L25 cars are quite tricky to control and having both hands on the wheel has got to be an advantage surely??
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« Reply #34 on: October 18, 2017, 12:44:22 PM +0100 »

I use paddles, I could connect the stick to my G25, but I won't be bothering any of the fastest people
whether I use a stick or the paddles so don't see it as an issue.

My problem with these cars is that they remind me of the Cobras in GTL, they wander about the road
even hanging on tight to the wheel, the brake bias is so far forward my fronts lock up for fun even with
the bias set all the way to the rear, and the engine braking is insane, I have to remember to not change down
approaching a corner or it will spin off every time. Perhaps if I blipped properly that would not be such an issue.
My best is a high 48, I can do 49s fairly regular, but a 42 is alien territory.
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« Reply #35 on: October 18, 2017, 01:16:53 PM +0100 »

I'd have to agree with Chris in that using paddles gives a big advantage over manual shifting. My th8 is mounted on my low left (like a real car) and does mean steering one handed and downshifting into apexes, so as he says, having both hands on the wheel is an advantage and pretty sure the paddle shift 'click' itself is much quicker than a manual shift and also lessens the chance of mis-shifting/fumbling.
But having said that I'd much rather use the realistic shifter for old cars even if it does lose me tenths  euro

Gawd I'm slow in these compared to Gt cars  Cry I was hoping these cars would really close the field up but my gap to aliens has got wider  Cry couldn't do any further practise last night as I was too fubared from work  Sad

Bet these look great from the cockpit with a vr headset, I'm tempted to get one but want to try it out first plus I may as well wait for v2 now
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« Reply #36 on: October 18, 2017, 01:24:06 PM +0100 »

I'm sure I've read somewhere that H-pattern shifting is actually faster in AC than paddle-shifting with the old cars - or did I imagine that? Although yes, there is the increased likelihood of mis-shifting with H-pattern - I do it at least once or twice per race..

Aliens will be faster than us mortals whatever controller they use.
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« Reply #37 on: October 18, 2017, 01:25:49 PM +0100 »

Hmm, just noticed on stracker that I'm listed as using Auto throttle blip for some reason. I'm definitely not, all aids are turned off. Maybe it does not always report controller method or aids used accurately?
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« Reply #38 on: October 18, 2017, 01:37:51 PM +0100 »

I can't see a setting in the server config files to influence auto blip unless it's tied in to auto clutch, which we allow as not everyone has a clutch pedal.
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« Reply #39 on: October 18, 2017, 01:39:19 PM +0100 »

I can't seem to find the password for tonights race yet.
That's been fixed, you should see it now
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« Reply #40 on: October 18, 2017, 01:50:19 PM +0100 »

Well if you haven't got a stick shift and paddle is proven to be quicker then perhaps your car should be ballasted??

These L25 cars are quite tricky to control and having both hands on the wheel has got to be an advantage surely??

The fastest lap is set with an H pattern  Roll Eyes. I used a stick in GTR2 and GTL, untill it wore and i can quarantee you, it doesn't matter if you have 2 hands on the wheel or not. Even with paddles, when the car needs a lot of steering lock, I switch to 1 hand, or else my arms get tangles up  Tongue.

I'm sure I've read somewhere that H-pattern shifting is actually faster in AC than paddle-shifting with the old cars - or did I imagine that? Although yes, there is the increased likelihood of mis-shifting with H-pattern - I do it at least once or twice per race..

Aliens will be faster than us mortals whatever controller they use.

I can remember reading something about that as well a long time ago. I think paddles get some sort up shifting delay penalty. The fact that mis-shifting is harder with paddles is something I agree on.

Hmm, just noticed on stracker that I'm listed as using Auto throttle blip for some reason. I'm definitely not, all aids are turned off. Maybe it does not always report controller method or aids used accurately?

Not sure how accurate stracker, but I sometimes see aids on behind my name, eventhough I think I have everything turned off. Even auto blip somewhere in a config file.
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« Reply #41 on: October 18, 2017, 02:40:56 PM +0100 »

I drive with paddles (my G25 H shifter is broken and I won't buy one to please someone Smiley) and I'm usually on fastest drivers' laptimes here. This time seems that I'm taking 3 seconds by the fastest drivers, and I'm still with paddles, like ever.
This 'logic' regarding faster laptimes made with paddles compared with H shifter is simply full of holes.

It's more a setup/car combo issue. I don't drive cars like these since the exit of GPL, i.e when I was 13. I will need a bit more training and a better setup to be near the fastest guys. Probably I won't be near at all even with some more training, but I'll never say that paddles or H shifter make a great difference in terms of laptimes. It's simply untrue and the fastest laptimes on this server was set with an H shifter.

So, really, what are we talking about?  Roll Eyes

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« Reply #42 on: October 18, 2017, 04:52:05 PM +0100 »

Not bothered in context of this racing but a paddle shift racecar is faster than its manual shift equivalent, unless you know more than Porsche or Ferrari engineers who developed their pdk/paddle shift systems at great expense   Wink
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« Reply #43 on: October 18, 2017, 05:27:46 PM +0100 »

Not bothered in context of this racing but a paddle shift racecar is faster than its manual shift equivalent, unless you know more than Porsche or Ferrari engineers who developed their pdk/paddle shift systems at great expense   Wink

I know the Porsche pdk/paddle shift very well in real life Mark, it's clearly not a surprise what you say.

At the same time it shouldn't be a surprise for you the fact that you won't gain 3 seconds per lap with 20/30 upshifts during a lap on a sim simply using paddles instead of H stick shift. In GTR2/P&G, for example, driving with manual clutch or auto clutch made a laptime difference of approx 2/3 tenths per lap.
Jeffrey mentioned a time delay for paddles he read long time ago. Maybe that could convert in some tenths lost every lap, but 3 seconds... you understand... seems too much to me to 'accuse' the use of paddles or H shifter to be the cause of my distance by the leaders.

I regret when someone point out some 'unfair advantage' to his competitors without having any proof to demonstrate his theory. In this case the laptimes setted until now destroy the 'paddle is faster than H shifter theory'. It's like talking nonsense. Seems like trolling.  Grin
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« Reply #44 on: October 18, 2017, 05:36:24 PM +0100 »

At the same time it shouldn't be a surprise for you the fact that you won't gain 3 seconds per lap with 20/30 upshifts during a lap on a sim simply using paddles instead of H stick shift. In GTR2/P&G, for example, driving with manual clutch or auto clutch made a laptime difference of approx 2/3 tenths per lap.
Yeah, manual clutch gave me more control in GTR2/GTL, which resulted in faster laptimes. But it also became slightly harder to do, so it was all about risk/reward.

Jeffrey mentioned a time delay for paddles he read long time ago. Maybe that could convert in some tenths lost every lap, but 3 seconds... you understand... seems too much to me to 'accuse' the use of paddles or H shifter to be the cause of my distance by the leaders.

This might be where I read or: http://www.racedepartment.com/threads/do-paddle-shifter-manual-shift-affect-performance.122509/

I regret when someone point out some 'unfair advantage' to his competitors without having any proof to demonstrate his theory. In this case the laptimes setted until now destroy the 'paddle is faster than H shifter theory'. It's like talking nonsense. Seems like trolling.  Grin

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