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October 18, 2017, 09:49:53 AM +0100 - Brands Hatch (GP) - UKAC Season 6 Lotus 25
Driver
 Team
Nat. Make Model Class Qualifying Race
Tyres Pos Time/Gap Pos Time/Gap Laps Stops Best Retirement
reason
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Jeffrey
 
Lotus 25 {unknown} 1 1:42.138
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1 31:07.677
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18 1:42.567
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Fabri Fibra
 
Lotus 25 {unknown} 4 +0.343
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2 +5.277
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18 1:42.658
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Firestone  
Felix Simoes
 
Lotus 25 {unknown} 5 +0.470
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3 +7.705
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18 1:42.720
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Firestone  
ChrisR
 
Lotus 25 {unknown} 2 +0.092
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4 +10.317
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18 1:41.779
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Firestone  
PorcoRosso86
 
Lotus 25 {unknown} 6 +1.422
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5 +27.247
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18 1:43.964
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Firestone  
Maikel K.
 Team Shark
Lotus 25 {unknown} 3 +0.315
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6 +42.801
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18 1:42.615
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Firestone  
Simon Gymer
 Team Shark
Lotus 25 {unknown} 11 +4.030
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7 +46.404
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18 1:44.540
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Firestone  
Mark J
 Legends Racing
Lotus 25 {unknown} 9 +2.776
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8 +54.833
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18 1:44.325
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Firestone  
Sutol
 
Lotus 25 {unknown} 7 +2.474
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9 +54.938
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18 1:44.094
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Firestone  
frex
 Kerb Crawlers
Lotus 25 {unknown} 8 +2.617
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10 +57.319
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18 1:44.516
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Firestone  
Manteos
 Virtual Drivers Alliance
Lotus 25 {unknown} 10 +3.310
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11 +1:02.480
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18 1:45.213
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Firestone  
Stefan aka Postal
 Legends Racing
Lotus 25 {unknown} 14 +4.913
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12 +1:23.450
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18 1:46.228
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Firestone  
picnic
 Team Shark
Lotus 25 {unknown} 13 +4.282
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13 +1:30.341
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18 1:45.069
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Firestone  
Bob
 WSL Racing Team
Lotus 25 {unknown} 12 +4.078
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14 +1L
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17 1:45.249
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Firestone  
phspok
 Team Pseudo Racing
Lotus 25 {unknown} 15 +7.657
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15 +1:15.554
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17 1:48.143
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Firestone  
Walter Conn
 REV
Lotus 25 {unknown} 16 +10.144
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16 +1:33.824
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17 1:50.463
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Firestone  
APEXTECHUSA
 Supersonic Racing
Lotus 25 {unknown} 17 +12.661
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17 +1:40.147
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17 1:49.237
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Firestone  
dave curtis
 Black Night Racing
Lotus 25 {unknown} 18 +13.302
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18 +3L
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15 1:56.409
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Firestone  
Walter Conn
 REV
Lotus 25 {unknown} DNS ---
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Firestone  
goldtop
 Kerb Crawlers
Lotus 25 {unknown} ---
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Firestone  
dave curtis
 Black Night Racing
Lotus 25 {unknown} ---
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Firestone  
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« Reply #60 on: October 19, 2017, 05:22:16 PM +0100 »

These little cars will prove an excellent series, apart from a couple of spins and the car looking like an exocet missile the last two laps, trailing a plume of smoke and finally blowing to bits on the very last corner meaning a dnf. Will lower the power for next race. All the same very entertaining.
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« Reply #61 on: October 19, 2017, 05:36:30 PM +0100 »

I'm actually amazed about all the enthousiatic comments. I was hoping for it, but didn't expect it across most of the grid  Shocked
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« Reply #62 on: October 19, 2017, 06:52:58 PM +0100 »

For all pre-race days, i realized that Lotus 25 is very sensitive to setup, and a just change can make the car much faster. My friend Thomas helped me a lot in this. We managed to make a good setup that gave me a good lap-time. At the same time, i saw that we were at least 5 pilots very close in lap-times.
Considering the type of track it was predictable the formation of "trains", where the stress/pressure factor would be decisive.
During qualifying with surprise i checked that many pilots have had a further improvement in lap-times. I qualificated 4th.
I start well, but i'm passed on 2nd corner, so i'm fifth. I'm in a good position, as the last of train and then with less pressure. Meanwhile the laps go by and i realize that 30 minutes is not that much, the risk of not being able to do anything to reassemble. The pilots ahead of me, however, worn by a terrible pressure or trying to pushing over the limit, they start to make mistakes. I'm 3rd now, 1 second behind Felix. But i see that CrisR is catching up like a fury, and he passes me in the last lap. But he makes another mistake; i'm thinking about the podium, just when the penultimate curve Felix spun, and here's the second place.

My was a "waiting-race", never pushing too much.
Next stop, Salzburg, where i have never race, but it seems more suitable to my style. This time i will run with the knife between teeth!  Cool

I read some posts about H-shift or paddles. All life H-shift and three pedals, all manual!

Thanks for the fantastic championship you organized.
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« Reply #63 on: October 20, 2017, 05:17:18 PM +0100 »

For all pre-race days, i realized that Lotus 25 is very sensitive to setup[...]

Only in a game like Assetto Corsa setup can make a difference of about 3-4 seconds per lap with some setup changes on a track with 8 corners.
Default setup in this game are complete RUBBISH, and I would like to have a word on this with some old italian friend who worked for Kunos at AC physics about this... They're jerking us around.  Grin
I just know one thing. Until my setups were made by Gavino, I managed to be closer to the fastest chaps every race. By the time he could no longer race (unfortunately) I started to drop down some places, both here and at Core.

Then, all of a sudden, 4 seconds...
After I noticed a thing like this I'm quite tempted to stop playing AC to be honest. Setup is a part of the game, but 3,4 or 5 seconds of difference between a good or bad setup are really too much. That quite means that setup is more decisive than the driver.

Only in this fairy tale game.
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« Reply #64 on: October 20, 2017, 05:32:02 PM +0100 »

The main thing on Lotus 25, if i understand well, is the tyres pressure: the default is total wrong! On other cars there are no such gross errors.
However, you are right, AC default setups are really bad and we don't understand why they are do these so badly. I talked to a couple of AC developers, they said that the default setups are made to be accessible to everyone and every track. For me, setups are just wrong, instead.
In any case, between a shitty setup and a good one, on average almost all cars, there is a gap of 1-2 seconds. Lotus 25 is really a special case.
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« Reply #65 on: October 20, 2017, 05:54:30 PM +0100 »

Then, all of a sudden, 4 seconds...
After I noticed a thing like this I'm quite tempted to stop playing AC to be honest. Setup is a part of the game, but 3,4 or 5 seconds of difference between a good or bad setup are really too much. That quite means that setup is more decisive than the driver.

Only in this fairy tale game.

Have you tried the setup I put on stracker? Not saying it's good, but it's the one I used  and it's somewhat capable of competitive laps.

AC's setup work has always been quite dodgy, with things like maximum camber not really beind a problem and other tyre calculations not being properly done.

Are you sure it's not something with your wheel or pedals?

The main thing on Lotus 25, if i understand well, is the tyres pressure: the default is total wrong! On other cars there are no such gross errors.

Yeah, the default pressures are around 7-8 PSI too low, that's 25% off  Lips Sealed.

However, you are right, AC default setups are really bad and we don't understand why they are do these so badly. I talked to a couple of AC developers, they said that the default setups are made to be accessible to everyone and every track. For me, setups are just wrong, instead.

Kunos just sounds lazy to me, or they also have no clue about setups  Tongue
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« Reply #66 on: October 20, 2017, 07:37:41 PM +0100 »

Thanks guys. You have made my day. I was only in search of some cherish and understanding  Grin Grin
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« Reply #67 on: October 20, 2017, 08:41:05 PM +0100 »

Well.. armed with this new knowledge, I put the pressures up to 37psi, and within 6 laps was doing 46.1
whereas before I was mostly doing low 49/high 48...  Shocked

The car doesn't wander around so much, and is now less masochism to drive
Did not know how to get at Jeffrey's setup. had I know i would have been much more competitive  Roll Eyes


 
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« Reply #68 on: October 20, 2017, 09:03:02 PM +0100 »

Matt, you need stracker installed. When you double click on the header of the driver table once you hit go from the pits (don't have to move) then you will see another screen pop up with setups, hit 'get' and it will download whoever setup is loaded up. You then need to flick between tracks just to see it in your setup 'I/o', load it and voila  Smiley

Not sure why Matteo thinks it so wrong for a bad setup to be worth 4 seconds  Huh I would have thought that accurate for a good or bad setup. What's more annoying is kunos waste our time with such bad default setups  Roll Eyes
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