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October 22, 2017, 10:05:14 PM +0100 - Road America (Full) - UKGPL Season 32 (2017-18) Historic Trophy (66)
Driver
 Team
Nat. Make Model Class Qualifying Race
Tyres Pos Time/Gap Pos Time/Gap Laps Stops Best Retirement
reason
Ballast
MagicArsouille
 
Brabham BT11 (BRM V8) F1 1966 1 2:19.208
104.714mph
1 47:16.006
102.800mph
20 2:19.967
104.147mph
Goodyear  
fpolicardi
 Team7
Cooper T81 (Maserati) F1 1966 3 +2.153
103.120mph
2 +18.885
102.120mph
20 2:20.763
103.558mph
Firestone  
Doni Yourth
 Blue Moose Racing
BRM P261 (1966) F1 1966 5 +3.703
102.001mph
3 +21.372
102.031mph
20 2:21.379
103.106mph
Goodyear  
Alessandro Isacchini
 Virtual Drivers Alliance
Lotus 33 (Climax 1966) F1 1966 15 +10.242
97.538mph
4 +1:17.098
100.079mph
20 2:20.962
103.411mph
Firestone  
bagrupp
 Team Groundhog
Brabham BT11 (Climax 2.7) F1 1966 7 +4.736
101.269mph
5 +1:27.618
99.719mph
20 2:21.571
102.967mph
Goodyear  
Rainier
 Black Night Racing
Cooper T81 (Maserati) F1 1966 11 +5.919
100.444mph
6 +1:48.539
99.011mph
20 2:23.247
101.762mph
Firestone  
Billy Nobrakes
 Black Night Racing
Cooper T81 (Maserati) F1 1966 14 +8.135
98.933mph
7 +1L
96.301mph
19 2:25.532
100.164mph
Firestone  
DLogan
 
Brabham BT11 (Climax 2.7) F1 1966 6 +4.341
101.548mph
8 (+2) +5L
98.919mph
15 2:22.676
102.169mph
accident
Goodyear  
AnGex
 Black Night Racing
Cooper T81 (Maserati) F1 1966 9 +5.839
100.499mph
9 +6L
99.879mph
14 2:22.200
102.511mph
Disco
Firestone  
Ronniepeterson
 
Lotus 33 (Climax 1966) F1 1966 12 +6.502
100.042mph
10 +13L
98.180mph
7 2:26.199
99.707mph
Disco
Firestone  
Gareth
 
Lotus 33 (Climax 1966) F1 1966 8 +5.730
100.575mph
11 +15L
96.987mph
5 2:24.667
100.763mph
Disco
Firestone  
EvilClive
 Blue Moose Racing
Brabham BT11 (Climax 2.7) F1 1966 2 +1.695
103.455mph
12 +19L
97.769mph
1 2:28.480
98.175mph
Disco
Goodyear  
Cookie
 Antipasti Racing
Brabham BT11 (Climax 2.7) F1 1966 4 +2.805
102.646mph
13 +20L
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Disco
Goodyear  
francesco
 Antipasti Racing
Brabham BT11 (Climax 2.7) F1 1966 10 +5.841
100.498mph
14
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0 ---
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Disco
Goodyear  
Phil Thornton
 Antipasti Racing
McLaren M2B (Ford) F1 1966 13 +7.946
99.060mph
15
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0 ---
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accident
Firestone  
4 UKGPL
 
Brabham BT11 (Climax 2.5) F1 1966 16 16 DNS ---
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Goodyear  

Moderator's Report

Round 3 - Summary
Just 1 reported incident.


Server replay time: 0h00m58s

Lap 1 - T1 - Dean Logan and Axel Cookie
A clean start from both drivers but Dean simply leaves his braking too late on cold tyres and rear ends Axel. Axel is out of the race but Dean can continue.

Axel did nothing wrong.

Dean misjudged his braking and consequently must take responsibility for the incident.

SimRacing.org.uk Lap Records
Grand Prix Legends
F1 1966
2:19.208
104.714mph
MagicArsouille
Qualifying
Brabham BT11 (BRM V8)October 22, 2017, 10:05:14 PM +0100
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« Reply #30 on: October 23, 2017, 04:25:17 PM +0100 »

Yep, exactly what Billy says!

You can also look into the diagramm of the setup manager of "torque and horsepower vs RPM"

You can exeed the RPM at max power a little,
but you can see that the green HP curve falls massive, so better shift up to a RPM where is high torque and better acceleration.

Just manage to set the gears like in the pic, to not have a gap in the green lines of the other diagramm  Wink
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« Reply #31 on: October 23, 2017, 05:22:02 PM +0100 »

Billy is quite correct, each time you exceed max revs the engine is damaged.

This includes speedshifts ( upshifting without lifting off the gas) or downshifting too early ( the engine is forced to over rev ). The damage suffered is minimal when GPL is set to "Novice", getting increasingly dangerous as you move up to "PRO".

So, always lift your right foot at each gearchange, when accelerating up through the gearbox and check the rev counter during your practice laps when you downshift for a corner.

Some cars are also more fragile than others. I will leave you to work out which cars need careful treatment  Wink


Some  simple rules for setting your gear ratios.

On any track when you are lapping on your own, the rev counter should be just below the red line at the end of the longest straight.
But ( something that I actually forgot in the 66 race!!) you have to allow for higher speeds when you are slipstreaming someone, because your car will attain a higher speed and your engine will rev faster too. So maybe 5th gear needs to be lengthened by a click ( or two?). Only testing will prove what you need to do.

Once you have your 5th ( or in some cases 6th gear ) set for the fastest part of the track you can adjust the other gears.
The second ratio that I set is 1st gear. Try a start with race fuel. Did the car bog down? or did the engine scream at the rev limit?  Ideally you want a smooth acceleration without too much wheelspin and without hitting the rev limit immediately. It might mean that you need to shift into 2nd very quickly to avoid over revving.

Next spread the other ratios so that the engine is always giving max torque ( like Axel showed above). The only thing that I would add is that the gaps between the ratios can be slightly larger between 1st and 2nd, with each gap getting smaller as you move up to 5th. This is because the engine has to work harder at high speeds and slightly closer ratios will help keep things accelerating.

Some tracks ( like Le Sarthe ) are specials and you might set 5th gear extra long to avoid maxxing out the revs down Mulsanne, or Monaco where you might want to set special ratios to better suit those tight corners.



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« Reply #32 on: October 23, 2017, 05:29:41 PM +0100 »

In GPL game look at the Team Info screen. It has some basic info about the car you have selected, including max revs.

I honestly had no idea about that;  of course I never need to look at that page - that's all selected via GEM!



Thanks for the helpful replies guys!
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« Reply #33 on: October 24, 2017, 12:29:13 AM +0100 »

My own general rule is to not rev more than 500rpm beyond the max power engine speed as shown in the teams page.
There are some situations when you really need to where I'll rev higher, also some cars work better when doing this.
But generally there is no advantage in doing so.

I've also run with 2 '1st' gears once or twice on tracks that required it  Grin
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« Reply #34 on: October 24, 2017, 08:51:15 AM +0100 »

All the arguments are right but if i open DIView i read unstable value on my faster pedals under faster pedalIME buffered.the value of X axis and  acceleration is always in movement.I can't show this in the forum because i'm not able to load pictures or films but something wrong exist in my pedal.Please Axel,sorry to bother you again,but look at the picture sent to you in the Repositiory mail.
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« Reply #35 on: October 24, 2017, 09:41:30 AM +0100 »

Sorry to say, but those potentiometers are just worn out...

I started with a Momo, the wheel is a good one but the pedals are lousy constructed! And the potis are even worse...
Why not look for a used G25/27 pedals or a thrustmaster wich can be used as separate device...
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« Reply #36 on: October 24, 2017, 09:54:52 AM +0100 »

As written in other posts i look more high.The pedals are not the Logitech but are Faster Pedal with a non original potentiometer.
The original is already destroyed.So to avoid other problem with potentiometer i think to spend a lot of money buying the Fanatec pedal that use loading cell.Is a lot of money but i hope to solve the problems for a long time.
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« Reply #37 on: October 24, 2017, 12:48:42 PM +0100 »

My internet was unstable during this week end, I preferred to start in last position to avoid problems at some drivers in the traffic in the first laps when the risk was high with lag, after I tried to battle only with maximum one or two car nearby, some overtake and some mistake permitted me to finish on 4th position on this very beautiful track


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