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October 24, 2017, 08:36:03 PM +0100 - Indianapolis (Oval) - UKGPL Season 32 (2017-18) 1955 Grand Prix
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Tyres Pos Time/Gap Pos Time/Gap Laps Stops Best Retirement
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Samb
 Black Night Racing
Mercedes W196 F1 1955 1 1:03.294
142.217mph
1 48:24.973
139.439mph
45 1:03.558
141.627mph
Continental  
Cookie
 Antipasti Racing
Lancia D50 F1 1955 3 +0.761
140.528mph
2 +30.770
137.978mph
45 1:04.050
140.539mph
Pirelli  
EvilClive
 Blue Moose Racing
Maserati 250F F1 1955 2 +0.588
140.908mph
3 +39.598
137.564mph
45 1:04.148
140.324mph
Pirelli  
MagicArsouille
 
Mercedes W196 F1 1955 10 +1.473
138.983mph
4 +50.658
137.049mph
45 1:04.310
139.970mph
Continental  
ReiverEcosse
 
Lancia D50 F1 1955 5 +1.071
139.851mph
5 (+2) +1:03.371
136.462mph
45 1:03.985
140.681mph
Pirelli  
bagrupp
 Team Groundhog
Mercedes W196 SL F1 1955 15 +2.266
137.302mph
6 +1:03.580
136.453mph
45 1:04.408
139.758mph
Continental  
DLogan
 
Lancia D50 F1 1955 6 +1.072
139.849mph
7 +1:03.732
136.446mph
45 1:04.056
140.526mph
Pirelli  
Carlos Cendejas
 
Lancia D50 F1 1955 8 +1.413
139.112mph
8 +1L
135.569mph
44 1:04.842
138.822mph
Pirelli  
Doni Yourth
 Blue Moose Racing
Ferrari 625 F1 1955 11 +1.915
138.041mph
9 +16.069
134.828mph
44 1:04.899
138.700mph
Englebert  
GregT
 Team Baarf
Ferrari 625 F1 1955 12 +1.951
137.965mph
10 +16.315
134.817mph
44 1:05.125
138.219mph
Englebert  
Clive Loynes
 Soggy Bottom Racers Club
Lancia D50 F1 1955 14 +2.082
137.688mph
11 +31.997
134.101mph
44 1:05.315
137.817mph
Pirelli  
Phil Thornton
 Antipasti Racing
Mercedes W196 F1 1955 9 +1.429
139.077mph
12 +2L
133.172mph
43 1:04.756
139.006mph
Continental  
Ronniepeterson
 
Mercedes W196 F1 1955 4 +1.017
139.968mph
13 +12.544
132.600mph
43 1:04.867
138.769mph
Continental  
francesco
 Antipasti Racing
Lancia D50 F1 1955 13 +1.999
137.863mph
14 +14.916
132.492mph
43 1:05.266
137.920mph
Pirelli  
dave curtis
 Black Night Racing
Maserati 250F F1 1955 16 +3.701
134.361mph
15 +19.871
132.268mph
43 1:06.021
136.343mph
Pirelli  
Rainier
 Black Night Racing
Ferrari 625 F1 1955 17 +4.612
132.558mph
16 +47.594
131.027mph
43 1:07.378
133.597mph
Englebert  
Gareth
 
Lancia D50 F1 1955 18 +15.753
113.875mph
17 +21L
135.594mph
24 1:04.479
139.604mph
Disco
Pirelli  
Will Tway
 Antipasti Racing
Ferrari 555 SS F1 1955 7 +1.197
139.578mph
18 +28L
129.372mph
17 1:05.782
136.838mph
Disco
Englebert  
60fps UKGPL8
 
Gordini T16 F1 1955 19 19 DNS ---
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Englebert  

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Ronnie and Dave both reported this as Lap 19, but nothing happened on Lap 19, so I spent several long minutes going forward for 5 laps and then back, until I found Lap 17!! At which point my replay shows Reiver and Ronnie exchanging paint samples??
Reiver is faster into T3 and holds a tighter line, it looks like he thought he had completed the pass and allows his car to drift out towards the wall. Unfortunately Ronnie is still alongside and they tangle.
Ronnie was in Reiver's blind spot but Reiver should have been more careful until he could actually see Ronnie in his mirror before moving across.
Penalty for Reiver moving across the track


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Lap 36 Reiver is closing fast on Doni and has the advantage of the tow plus a faster car.
He has admitted his fault and recognised that he was attempting a pass that was just not possible at that point. However Doni did suffer and I feel that a penalty is in order.
Penalty avoidable rear end collision 1 place


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Lap 13 Ronnie is running the low line in his Merc through T1/T2 and is closing on Fran who is running a wider line. The speed of the Merc gains more ground approaching T3 but does not get an overlap. Ronnie has been just about invisible to Fran for 3 corners and he turns in for T3 unaware that Ronnie is poking his car into a vanishing gap. There is contact and Fran suffers because he is on the outside. The accident is made worse because C.Cendejas is shadowing Ronnie and gives him an extra punt.
I am calling this a Racing Incident, but with an advisory to all 3 drivers. Indianapolis is a special case and racing on ovals often involves cars in very close proximity for extended periods.
Fran might have been aware that a car was gaining on him and had moved into his blind spot. Maybe he could have played safe and taken a wider line?
Ronnie was aiming for a gap that might well get closed and had not achieved any overlap to claim the inside line.
C.Cendejas could se the action unfolding ahead and could have just lifted slightly to give himself a better chance of avoiding any contact.
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« Reply #45 on: October 25, 2017, 01:45:10 PM +0100 »

..So sorry to Dean in T2...

No problem. I had some fun recovering.

I was so glad to see you finished well. What a drive. Well done.
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« Reply #46 on: October 25, 2017, 02:37:59 PM +0100 »

That was a lot more fun than I was expecting.
I know very little about ovals.  They don't seem to offer many places to make up ground/time,  just a lot of places to lose it & therefore not many places to hide.  Although, a plus point  - there also not many trees / campervans  / hairpins to crash into either!

I was just hoping to make it to the end & not end up 5 laps down.

Had some fun sliding around at the back with some others,  probably to the annoyance of teamie DaveR.
Was hoping to be nearer the Ronnie/Fran battle at the end,   but nevermind.

I will send my Indy setups for the Lancia and the 250F to all those who asked for them later today. Please remember that they are ONLY FOR INDY, because they will be undriveable anywhere else!!!

Both setups have 4th and 5th gears very close so that in the early laps with a heavy fuel load you can drop a gear for T1 and T3 to get the nose in and not lose too much speed. It also allows you to accelerate the car through T2 and T4 using the power on oversteer to direct the car and save scrubbing the outside front tyre before shifting up to 5th for the straights  Grin

If you want the setups, but don't get them, post a reminder here  Wink

Yes, please add me to the list!  It would be interested to see the differences between your 250F honed-setup & my default!

Although admittedly I did click some of the higher gears a bit (after recently learning how to research maximum revs for each given car!)  so it would stop easily reaching 8000RPM in top way 3/4 of the way along the straight.

Although, I guess this is the oval race done with for now...

Cheers all,
Dave.
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« Reply #47 on: October 25, 2017, 02:59:20 PM +0100 »

In my total despair I forgot to say congratulations to Sam, Axel and EvilC.  It is totally beyond me at present to understand how it's done.

Also well done to Alex on a great effort in his rookie season.

I now have RSI after converting one of my setups to Axel's offering but whilst it took me to within a gnat's nadger of getting below the 1:05 barrier I'm still at a loss to get the thing to turn in properly.

What do you good folks have your steering wheel rotation set at?  I'm thinking that mine is still in tin-top mode and needs to be brought back to karting mode for these beasties!
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« Reply #48 on: October 25, 2017, 03:34:12 PM +0100 »

Congrats Sam, Axel, and Clive. Nice job guys.

My slower pace might have compromised some of the cars that I was lapping...especially Greg (?) and Clive Loynes who I caught, but dare not pull away from.

No Clive, you didn't cause me any problems. I was struggling with a damaged car from the contact with Bastian somewhat early in the race. I may have been able to lead you better late in the race but my car appeared to be almost a second a lap slower than it should have been. Actually, you helped me. I never would have caught the non-evil Clive without your tow. It took everything I had to stay with you after lapping me. I may have been fairly fast at the end with a pristine car. I was struggling to break 1:06.5 without a tow after I had run a 1:05.7 without a tow late in practice. It's too bad you couldn't have taken the extra 2+ gallons I had at the end. I suspect damage reduced my fuel consumption.

Would somebody please post the mechanical report? I'd like to see if GPL recorded any damage from my early shunt. I bounced the car off the wall two or three times after that. It didn't seem to help the car's performance.

I probably shouldn't have moved out of Axel's way. Especially after I saw Clive's slow finish. That allowed Doni to rob me of P9.

Thanks guys.
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« Reply #49 on: October 25, 2017, 03:50:55 PM +0100 »

In my total despair I forgot to say congratulations to Sam, Axel and EvilC.  It is totally beyond me at present to understand how it's done.

Also well done to Alex on a great effort in his rookie season.

I now have RSI after converting one of my setups to Axel's offering but whilst it took me to within a gnat's nadger of getting below the 1:05 barrier I'm still at a loss to get the thing to turn in properly.

What do you good folks have your steering wheel rotation set at?  I'm thinking that mine is still in tin-top mode and needs to be brought back to karting mode for these beasties!

I run all GPL cars at 5:1 steering ratio  Grin, it means that there is less work to do applying steering lock. My G25 has 220 degrees of rotation the last time that I checked.
Will be forwarding setups shortly.............when I get to my old desktop PC.  Wink
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« Reply #50 on: October 25, 2017, 03:57:30 PM +0100 »

Congrats Sam, Axel, and Clive. Nice job guys.

My slower pace might have compromised some of the cars that I was lapping...especially Greg (?) and Clive Loynes who I caught, but dare not pull away from.

...... I never would have caught the non-evil Clive without your tow. It took everything I had to stay with you after lapping me. I may have been fairly fast at the end with a pristine car. I was struggling to break 1:06.5 without a tow after I had run a 1:05.7 without a tow late in practice. It's too bad you couldn't have taken the extra 2+ gallons I had at the end. I suspect damage reduced my fuel consumption.



LOL  I didn't realise that Evil had towed you up behind me so I thought that you were another bloke wanting to lap me and so I let you past!  This was a double blow because I was nicely being towed along by Evil but after you went past something happened to knock me out of the tow and you were gone!  

I think that my first thoughts about this race were correct, ie that I should sit it out, but I wanted the start money.  No matter what I try I cannot put the car into a controlled drift at T1 and T3.  It must just be me and no amount of setup work will cure it.

Thanks for that info Evil.  I shall give it a go.  I'm ready to try anything.  Do you think that sacrificing a squirrel will do any good?  Only a grey one mind!
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« Reply #51 on: October 25, 2017, 04:07:19 PM +0100 »

My setup of G27 is 420° rotation = GPL wheel sync

my steering ratio is 11 for fast tracks
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« Reply #52 on: October 25, 2017, 04:08:39 PM +0100 »

emails have been sent with setups attached.

Clive, the only thing that is known to work is ...

bend the knee, put on the fundoshi and swear allegiance to Her.  

deep down, you know it makes sense  Roll Eyes

FWIW in last night's race I was absolutely confident of staying with Sam, once we had done a few laps. The slipstream was so good and my gearing was set just about perfect, so that I could suck right up to his tailpipes on the straights without hitting the red line. In fact I was backing off sometimes.

The big question which I never got to answer was, "Could I actually get past that Silver Arrow if he did not make a mistake???". I suspect that once I pulled out of the tow I might have lost speed....but I guess we will never know , until next time lol.
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« Reply #53 on: October 25, 2017, 06:18:37 PM +0100 »

Unfortunately, nothing in my inbox. Sad

Can you have a look. bas[email protected]
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« Reply #54 on: October 25, 2017, 06:32:31 PM +0100 »

Grats to Sam, Axel & Evil.  Great jobs.

So who enjoyed/hated this race venue?  To be repeated in future or never seen again?  I'd be interested to learn.

I certainly liked it.  Well...  Up to about 10 laps to go when I got 'seriously killed'.
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« Reply #55 on: October 25, 2017, 06:57:13 PM +0100 »

I will re-send the setups to you bagrupp.

@ Doni.... Well for the first time I had a setup that worked on an oval ( maybe I should have worked on fuel consumption?!!) and I actually enjoyed the laps where I was running at max speed. But in terms of skill?? 

Once the setup was nailed I actually found it quite easy to lap at a constant quick pace. Unless you were involved in a 3 way slipstream battle there really isn't a lot to do, or does that sound a little big headed?  Roll Eyes

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« Reply #56 on: October 25, 2017, 07:23:14 PM +0100 »

So who enjoyed/hated this race venue?  To be repeated in future or never seen again?  I'd be interested to learn.
I really enjoyed it, a different challenge but I'm pretty sure I had a crap setup. My front right tyre was in the 290 degrees C area for most of the race.

With regards to running IMS again, the one and only perk about being a moderator is that you get to select the tracks. So if the divisional moderator likes the track then there is a good chance you will see it again  Wink
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« Reply #57 on: October 25, 2017, 08:20:53 PM +0100 »

I certainly liked it.  Well...  Up to about 10 laps to go when I got 'seriously killed'.

I'm so sorry Doni!  That was as stupid a move as anyone will ever have seen.
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« Reply #58 on: October 25, 2017, 08:27:46 PM +0100 »

So who enjoyed/hated this race venue?  To be repeated in future or never seen again?  I'd be interested to learn.
I really enjoyed it, a different challenge but I'm pretty sure I had a crap setup. My front right tyre was in the 290 degrees C area for most of the race.

With regards to running IMS again, the one and only perk about being a moderator is that you get to select the tracks. So if the divisional moderator likes the track then there is a good chance you will see it again  Wink

I enjoyed it very much, but I've competed on short track ovals in real life and for once knew how to set up the car.  I'd be keen to see other ovals on future calendars, they all have their own characters.

I'd jump at a chance to do Langhorne, which is utterly, utterly evil.
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« Reply #59 on: October 25, 2017, 08:43:22 PM +0100 »

I enjoyed the race. It was something new to most of us. I'd agree with Clive and think the biggest challenge around here is getting a decent setup. On your own it's fairly easy to drive on the limit once you have good setup, but I guess the real skill comes from battling with fellow racers and trying to use the lapped traffic to your advantage. I wouldn't be against racing here again.

@ Clive L, The links I found were scattered throughout the web containing maybe one useful sentence here and there. I suppose the main thing was making the setup asymmetrical to help the car want to turn left. I only had negative camber on the front right. Every other wheel had positive camber to an extent. The RHS of the car was stiffer than the left, and I put the ramp angle for the power down the 30 to aid the back end to swing round.

If anyone's interested, here's my setup for the Merc: https://ufile.io/2g3s8. 4th and 5th gear are close together; I tended to use 4th for the turns and 5th on the straights to save the engine more than anything. If you aim for an apex speed of 125mph with a good exit, that should be good enough for 1:04s. I found myself often slower than my fellow racers at corner entry during the race, but made it up with a good exit. Settings I use are a 12-1 steering ratio at 320 degrees on my trusty G25. I'm impressed Clive you race at 5:1! Must be like driving a go-kart  Grin.
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