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« Reply #45 on: October 25, 2017, 01:45:10 PM +0100 » |
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..So sorry to Dean in T2... No problem. I had some fun recovering. I was so glad to see you finished well. What a drive. Well done.
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« Reply #46 on: October 25, 2017, 02:37:59 PM +0100 » |
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That was a lot more fun than I was expecting. I know very little about ovals. They don't seem to offer many places to make up ground/time, just a lot of places to lose it & therefore not many places to hide. Although, a plus point - there also not many trees / campervans / hairpins to crash into either! I was just hoping to make it to the end & not end up 5 laps down. Had some fun sliding around at the back with some others, probably to the annoyance of teamie DaveR. Was hoping to be nearer the Ronnie/Fran battle at the end, but nevermind. I will send my Indy setups for the Lancia and the 250F to all those who asked for them later today. Please remember that they are ONLY FOR INDY, because they will be undriveable anywhere else!!! Both setups have 4th and 5th gears very close so that in the early laps with a heavy fuel load you can drop a gear for T1 and T3 to get the nose in and not lose too much speed. It also allows you to accelerate the car through T2 and T4 using the power on oversteer to direct the car and save scrubbing the outside front tyre before shifting up to 5th for the straights If you want the setups, but don't get them, post a reminder here Yes, please add me to the list! It would be interested to see the differences between your 250F honed-setup & my default! Although admittedly I did click some of the higher gears a bit (after recently learning how to research maximum revs for each given car!) so it would stop easily reaching 8000RPM in top way 3/4 of the way along the straight. Although, I guess this is the oval race done with for now... Cheers all, Dave.
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« Reply #47 on: October 25, 2017, 02:59:20 PM +0100 » |
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In my total despair I forgot to say congratulations to Sam, Axel and EvilC. It is totally beyond me at present to understand how it's done.
Also well done to Alex on a great effort in his rookie season.
I now have RSI after converting one of my setups to Axel's offering but whilst it took me to within a gnat's nadger of getting below the 1:05 barrier I'm still at a loss to get the thing to turn in properly.
What do you good folks have your steering wheel rotation set at? I'm thinking that mine is still in tin-top mode and needs to be brought back to karting mode for these beasties!
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« Reply #48 on: October 25, 2017, 03:34:12 PM +0100 » |
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Congrats Sam, Axel, and Clive. Nice job guys. My slower pace might have compromised some of the cars that I was lapping...especially Greg (?) and Clive Loynes who I caught, but dare not pull away from.
No Clive, you didn't cause me any problems. I was struggling with a damaged car from the contact with Bastian somewhat early in the race. I may have been able to lead you better late in the race but my car appeared to be almost a second a lap slower than it should have been. Actually, you helped me. I never would have caught the non-evil Clive without your tow. It took everything I had to stay with you after lapping me. I may have been fairly fast at the end with a pristine car. I was struggling to break 1:06.5 without a tow after I had run a 1:05.7 without a tow late in practice. It's too bad you couldn't have taken the extra 2+ gallons I had at the end. I suspect damage reduced my fuel consumption. Would somebody please post the mechanical report? I'd like to see if GPL recorded any damage from my early shunt. I bounced the car off the wall two or three times after that. It didn't seem to help the car's performance. I probably shouldn't have moved out of Axel's way. Especially after I saw Clive's slow finish. That allowed Doni to rob me of P9. Thanks guys.
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« Reply #49 on: October 25, 2017, 03:50:55 PM +0100 » |
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In my total despair I forgot to say congratulations to Sam, Axel and EvilC. It is totally beyond me at present to understand how it's done.
Also well done to Alex on a great effort in his rookie season.
I now have RSI after converting one of my setups to Axel's offering but whilst it took me to within a gnat's nadger of getting below the 1:05 barrier I'm still at a loss to get the thing to turn in properly.
What do you good folks have your steering wheel rotation set at? I'm thinking that mine is still in tin-top mode and needs to be brought back to karting mode for these beasties!
I run all GPL cars at 5:1 steering ratio , it means that there is less work to do applying steering lock. My G25 has 220 degrees of rotation the last time that I checked. Will be forwarding setups shortly.............when I get to my old desktop PC.
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« Reply #50 on: October 25, 2017, 03:57:30 PM +0100 » |
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Congrats Sam, Axel, and Clive. Nice job guys. My slower pace might have compromised some of the cars that I was lapping...especially Greg (?) and Clive Loynes who I caught, but dare not pull away from.
...... I never would have caught the non-evil Clive without your tow. It took everything I had to stay with you after lapping me. I may have been fairly fast at the end with a pristine car. I was struggling to break 1:06.5 without a tow after I had run a 1:05.7 without a tow late in practice. It's too bad you couldn't have taken the extra 2+ gallons I had at the end. I suspect damage reduced my fuel consumption. LOL I didn't realise that Evil had towed you up behind me so I thought that you were another bloke wanting to lap me and so I let you past! This was a double blow because I was nicely being towed along by Evil but after you went past something happened to knock me out of the tow and you were gone! I think that my first thoughts about this race were correct, ie that I should sit it out, but I wanted the start money. No matter what I try I cannot put the car into a controlled drift at T1 and T3. It must just be me and no amount of setup work will cure it. Thanks for that info Evil. I shall give it a go. I'm ready to try anything. Do you think that sacrificing a squirrel will do any good? Only a grey one mind!
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« Reply #51 on: October 25, 2017, 04:07:19 PM +0100 » |
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My setup of G27 is 420° rotation = GPL wheel sync
my steering ratio is 11 for fast tracks
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« Reply #52 on: October 25, 2017, 04:08:39 PM +0100 » |
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emails have been sent with setups attached. Clive, the only thing that is known to work is ... bend the knee, put on the fundoshi and swear allegiance to Her. deep down, you know it makes sense FWIW in last night's race I was absolutely confident of staying with Sam, once we had done a few laps. The slipstream was so good and my gearing was set just about perfect, so that I could suck right up to his tailpipes on the straights without hitting the red line. In fact I was backing off sometimes. The big question which I never got to answer was, "Could I actually get past that Silver Arrow if he did not make a mistake???". I suspect that once I pulled out of the tow I might have lost speed....but I guess we will never know , until next time lol.
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« Reply #53 on: October 25, 2017, 06:18:37 PM +0100 » |
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Unfortunately, nothing in my inbox. Can you have a look. ba s[email protected]
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« Reply #54 on: October 25, 2017, 06:32:31 PM +0100 » |
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Grats to Sam, Axel & Evil. Great jobs.
So who enjoyed/hated this race venue? To be repeated in future or never seen again? I'd be interested to learn.
I certainly liked it. Well... Up to about 10 laps to go when I got 'seriously killed'.
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« Reply #55 on: October 25, 2017, 06:57:13 PM +0100 » |
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I will re-send the setups to you bagrupp. @ Doni.... Well for the first time I had a setup that worked on an oval ( maybe I should have worked on fuel consumption?!!) and I actually enjoyed the laps where I was running at max speed. But in terms of skill?? Once the setup was nailed I actually found it quite easy to lap at a constant quick pace. Unless you were involved in a 3 way slipstream battle there really isn't a lot to do, or does that sound a little big headed?
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« Reply #56 on: October 25, 2017, 07:23:14 PM +0100 » |
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So who enjoyed/hated this race venue? To be repeated in future or never seen again? I'd be interested to learn.
I really enjoyed it, a different challenge but I'm pretty sure I had a crap setup. My front right tyre was in the 290 degrees C area for most of the race. With regards to running IMS again, the one and only perk about being a moderator is that you get to select the tracks. So if the divisional moderator likes the track then there is a good chance you will see it again
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« Reply #57 on: October 25, 2017, 08:20:53 PM +0100 » |
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I certainly liked it. Well... Up to about 10 laps to go when I got 'seriously killed'.
I'm so sorry Doni! That was as stupid a move as anyone will ever have seen.
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« Reply #58 on: October 25, 2017, 08:27:46 PM +0100 » |
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So who enjoyed/hated this race venue? To be repeated in future or never seen again? I'd be interested to learn.
I really enjoyed it, a different challenge but I'm pretty sure I had a crap setup. My front right tyre was in the 290 degrees C area for most of the race. With regards to running IMS again, the one and only perk about being a moderator is that you get to select the tracks. So if the divisional moderator likes the track then there is a good chance you will see it again I enjoyed it very much, but I've competed on short track ovals in real life and for once knew how to set up the car. I'd be keen to see other ovals on future calendars, they all have their own characters. I'd jump at a chance to do Langhorne, which is utterly, utterly evil.
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« Reply #59 on: October 25, 2017, 08:43:22 PM +0100 » |
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I enjoyed the race. It was something new to most of us. I'd agree with Clive and think the biggest challenge around here is getting a decent setup. On your own it's fairly easy to drive on the limit once you have good setup, but I guess the real skill comes from battling with fellow racers and trying to use the lapped traffic to your advantage. I wouldn't be against racing here again. @ Clive L, The links I found were scattered throughout the web containing maybe one useful sentence here and there. I suppose the main thing was making the setup asymmetrical to help the car want to turn left. I only had negative camber on the front right. Every other wheel had positive camber to an extent. The RHS of the car was stiffer than the left, and I put the ramp angle for the power down the 30 to aid the back end to swing round. If anyone's interested, here's my setup for the Merc: https://ufile.io/2g3s8. 4th and 5th gear are close together; I tended to use 4th for the turns and 5th on the straights to save the engine more than anything. If you aim for an apex speed of 125mph with a good exit, that should be good enough for 1:04s. I found myself often slower than my fellow racers at corner entry during the race, but made it up with a good exit. Settings I use are a 12-1 steering ratio at 320 degrees on my trusty G25. I'm impressed Clive you race at 5:1! Must be like driving a go-kart .
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