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January 23, 2018, 09:37:23 PM +0000 - Reims (1954-72) - UKGPL Season 32 (2017-18) 1955 Grand Prix
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Nat. Make Model Class Qualifying Race
Tyres Pos Time/Gap Pos Time/Gap Laps Stops Best Retirement
reason
Ballast
FullMetalGasket
 Black Night Racing
Mercedes W196 SL F1 1955 2 +1.530
130.712mph
1 48:02.737
128.814mph
20 2:21.897
130.847mph
Continental  
Samb
 Black Night Racing
Lancia D50 F1 1955 3 +2.617
129.719mph
2 +0.397
128.796mph
20 2:21.888
130.856mph
Pirelli  
MagicArsouille
 
Mercedes W196 F1 1955 1 2:20.514
132.135mph
3 +29.550
127.507mph
20 2:21.740
130.992mph
Continental  
bagrupp
 Team Groundhog
Maserati 250F F1 1955 6 +3.237
129.160mph
4 +30.986
127.444mph
20 2:23.636
129.263mph
Pirelli  
Cookie
 Antipasti Racing
Mercedes W196 F1 1955 4 +2.881
129.480mph
5 +33.833
127.320mph
20 2:23.051
129.792mph
Continental  
Clive Loynes
 Soggy Bottom Racers Club
Lancia D50 F1 1955 7 +3.472
128.949mph
6 +1:11.943
125.677mph
20 2:23.369
129.504mph
Pirelli  
ReiverEcosse
 
Lancia D50 F1 1955 14 +6.332
126.437mph
7 +1:30.147
124.908mph
20 2:25.267
127.812mph
Pirelli  
Phil Thornton
 Antipasti Racing
Lancia D50 F1 1955 11 +5.744
126.946mph
8 +1:30.161
124.907mph
20 2:24.099
128.848mph
Pirelli  
Rainier
 Black Night Racing
Mercedes W196 SL F1 1955 16 +7.892
125.108mph
9 +1:53.160
123.948mph
20 2:27.157
126.170mph
Continental  
DLogan
 
Lancia D50 F1 1955 18 10 +2:13.886
123.097mph
20 2:23.311
129.556mph
Pirelli  
uli
 
Connaught Type B F1 1955 12 +6.081
126.654mph
11 +2:15.135
123.046mph
20 2:25.512
127.597mph
Pirelli  
GregT
 Team Baarf
Mercedes W196 SL F1 1955 19 12 +2:25.293
122.633mph
20 2:23.415
129.462mph
Continental  
dave curtis
 Black Night Racing
Maserati 250F F1 1955 13 +6.236
126.520mph
13 +1L
118.316mph
19 2:26.131
127.056mph
Pirelli  
francesco
 Antipasti Racing
Mercedes W196 SL F1 1955 5 +2.993
129.379mph
14 +3L
123.743mph
17 2:25.139
127.924mph
Disco
Continental  
Billy Nobrakes
 Black Night Racing
Lancia D50 F1 1955 15 +7.397
125.527mph
15 +6L
120.387mph
14 2:28.133
125.339mph
Disco
Pirelli  
miner2049er
 Clark-Hill Racing
Lancia D50 F1 1955 8 +3.649
128.791mph
16 +8L
119.491mph
12 2:26.281
126.926mph
Disco
Pirelli  
Doni Yourth
 Blue Moose Racing
Mercedes W196 SL F1 1955 9 +4.597
127.949mph
17 +11L
123.530mph
9 2:26.702
126.562mph
Disco
Continental  
EvilClive
 Blue Moose Racing
Lancia D50 F1 1955 10 +4.803
127.768mph
18 DNS ---
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Pirelli  
Doni Yourth
 Blue Moose Racing
Ferrari 555 SS F1 1955 19 ---
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{unknown}  
60fps UKGPL8
 
Gordini T16 F1 1955 17 20 ---
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Englebert  

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Server replay time: 0h00m45s

Bastian is leading Tris and Axel in a battle for 3rd spot.
Approaching the corner to take them onto the straight Tris makes a move down the inside, Bastian is turning in but sees Tris approaching. Bastian aborts his line to the apex and has to slow in order to take a wider line through the corner. Axel who is following closely is caught out as Bastian takes a slightly wider line and slows.
This is extremely fortunate for Tris as he is unable to turn his car and actually runs right across the track onto the grass. Tris would have undoubtedly hit Bastian if he had not moved off line to give Tris room. Bastian might have been able to make the undercut on Tris if Axel had not got there first. Axel clips the rear of Bastian and spins him out.

This is a difficult incident to moderate.
There is no doubt that Bastian suffered, but did nothing wrong.
Axel might not have clipped Bastian if Bastian had not made room for Tris
Tris benefitted from the whole incident and yet he was the driver who initiated the chain of events and would have hit Bastian if Bastian had not been aware.

I cannot penalise Bastian, he did nothing wrong.
I cannot penalise Tris because, although he precipitated the incident, he did not make contact with anyone.
I could penalise Axel for rear ending Bastian, but that seems harsh as he was a victim of events ahead.
Therefore I am going to call it a Racing Incident, but with a warning to Tris to be careful with braking in the 55's


Server replay time: 0h36m13s

Lap 15
Clive has been following Fran's Slipstreamer for several laps and although Clive has the advantage through the corners he cannot match the speed of the Merc on the straights.
Through T2 Fran makes a small mistake and it allows Clive to get alongside running down to T3.
Clive is on the outside but Fran's greater speed pulls him slightly ahead and Clive tucks in behind.
Fran's speed causes him to miss the apex and he is running just inside the centre line, leaving an inviting gap on his inside. Clive is seduced into going for that gap.
Clive holds a tight line against the grass and gets right alongside Fran.
On the exit of the corner there is a coming together. After replaying this several times and from the perspective of both cars I think this was a Racing Incident.
At the exit of the corner Fran's car gets more grip and turns in just slightly. At the same moment Clive's car which is pushing really hard drifts out just a little.
Both cars are effectively within half of the road width at all times and if no-one had deviated then both would have emerged unscathed. But each car moved fractionally towards the other at the same time and any clearance evaporated. Fran suffered more because GPL always punishes the car on the outside.
I am inclined to call this a Racing Incident as it difficult to lay the blame at either driver. Clive was completely alongside and entitled to contest the corner. Although he did not stray from his own side of the track, Fran never vacated the inner half of the same track.

Racing Incident

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Grand Prix Legends
F1 1955
2:20.514
132.135mph
MagicArsouille
Qualifying
Mercedes W196January 23, 2018, 09:37:23 PM +0000
S3255F1
Grand Prix Legends
F1 1955
2:21.740
130.992mph
MagicArsouille
Race
Mercedes W196January 23, 2018, 09:37:23 PM +0000
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« Reply #30 on: January 24, 2018, 11:57:42 AM +0000 »

That's the curious thing, normally if you see all others disappearing and reappearing, it must be yourself.
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Last night I saw permanently all cars disappearing and reappearing what couldn't be on my side, as I am sitting next to the server!


....same for me whith some freez of 1 or 2s who cost me to visite out of track :/

....so it was a lonely race after loosing contact to the lead, exept in the last few laps where I can get the podium Smiley
 
Thx all and thx to the slip stream also for pole and FL  Wink
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« Reply #31 on: January 24, 2018, 12:45:33 PM +0000 »

That's what I saw too Axel, quite a few other people said they saw the same thing.
That's why I said I thought it might be someone running 36FPS, I vaguely remember it doing something weird like this.

My race was awesome although exhausting - I'd been up since 03:45 that morning as I was at Bedford Autodrome for a trackday (2 and a half hours from home).
Given it was the first in over 2 years in the Nissan and I've played extensively with it, I was effectively having to re-learn to drive. Not helped by a combination of rain and the trail of oil someone left the entire way around the track!

I managed to get home and fed by 8 so jumped on the PC for some last minute practice in the SL.
This left me questioning the choice a bit as it was pretty poor through the sweeping corners, but the top end was so good I felt confident that as long as there weren't too many SL's I could probably steal a podium spot with ease Grin

At the start I was amazed by Tristian's qualifying time - I've no idea who he drafted but he got dragged round pretty fast angel
I couldn't find enough of a tow to compete with that, I was showing an indicated 2:21.0 but would always catch people at the wrong point to achieve it.

The start saw me heavily swamped and nearly ended in the cornfield when Bastian, for some reason, chose to make a dive into Courbe Annie Bousquet (T2) while I was trying navigate my truck through it on a normal line. Keeping myself on the black stuff cost another place or 2.
Why he did it I have no idea, it's far more sensible to stay behind an SL there so you can get close and draft them down the next straight - and get a free pass on all the other 'normal' cars in the process. We'd have been an easy 3rd and 4th by the end of the lap that way.

My biggest challenge at the start was getting past Sam and Bastian in their red machinery, as they did a good job of blocking the road while the 2 Mercs up ahead started to eek out a gap. With their mid corner speed I didn't want to risk loosing sight of them.
Once up with them it was easy to keep in touch - I'd loose ground in the corners and braking zones (The SL has pretty poor brakes! Cheesy) but monster back up behind/infront on the 2 straights.

Towards the end of practice I had started experimenting to see where the latest I could brake, experience failure, and still slow enough for the final turn was.
I then purposely didn't use that braking point until I was in the lead and the other 2 Mercs were harrying my for position on the straight.
Axel took himself off before I could use it on him but it seemed to work a treat on Tristan when I finally did it, as he ended up using the escape road matching me which left me almost free of the remaining duo.

I actually thought I'd gained enough of a lead to pull away from Sam after Bastians poor exit, but sadly the Lancia was able to dance through the sweeping turns so fast he managed to just hang onto my draft enough to catch back up again under braking for the final turn (i was now using the latest possible point as a matter of course - I had no advantage in hiding it while trying to escape the pack!), I was having to brake at 350 meters, I seem to remember the Gordini could stop if you lift at 300 and brake around 250/200. So it's no surprise the D50 could make time there.
Sam then latched on and didn't challenge me for several laps - I'm fairly certain this was to aid us in pulling clear of the 3rd place car and and assorted others to at least guarantee a 2nd if he couldn't beat me to the line. There's no question he could have passed me in several spots, but of course it would be pointless against an SL here when on your own!

Around the 3 to go point Sam finally started trying hard to pass me and figure out where he had a chance, luckily (for me) this was in the first sector only. Although as mentioned I did make a small mistake that allowed him through for a mile or 2.
But I still had the ace in my sleeve - I'd noticed we were very slowly catching Greg's' SL and reckoned we'd be close enough for me to draft it by the last lap. Greg was my get out of jail free card - as if I left the final corner within 200 yards of Gregs car Sam would be unable to draft past me under acceleration. And Greg was indeed at the right distance on the last lap Cool

So, thank you Greg for the win!
Well done to Sam on a well fought and clean 2nd, and Tris on climbing back up to 3rd.
Also to everyone else who managed to keep out of the corn field.
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« Reply #32 on: January 24, 2018, 12:58:35 PM +0000 »

I am glad that others saw cars vanishing, I thought that it was another symptom of my problems. I was definitely running 60 fps which was showing as solid on my screen, about the only thing that is better on this new rig!!  Undecided

I have just discovered that Virgin ( my ISP) were doing maintenance works in my area last night, so just maybe  ( grasping at straws here!) my freeze was related to low bandwidth??

When I installed GPL on this rig I did a fresh install, complete with a new GEM/IGOR as well. I then migrated over my track database and setups etc.
Given that there should not be any issues with this virgin GPL, I am assuming that there is something about Win 10 or the functioning of the new internals/processors that simply falls over itself when running GPL.

I am not sure if it is relevant to my problem, but when the screen freezes ( never a disco, always a freeze ) the picture locks instantly and the sound track sounds like a machine gun "dadadadadadadadadadadadadadaddaadadad". There is no way to switch programmes ( alt/tab), the mouse is inoperative and the only recourse is to switch the PC off at wall socket, before allowing a reboot from scratch.
These freezes always appear to happen after approx. 1 hour+ after starting GPL, so I don't think it is GPL itself that is the problem? If it happened very soon after starting GPL, then I could believe that GPL was the problem.

I have a recollection from many years ago when a lot of members were having issues with Screen Freezes and it transpired that these were related to sound card issues ( Soundblaster??)  Does anyone else remember that and what the solution was???

I am certainly no expert on computers as you all know, but this feels to me like either Win 10 is starting something in the background that conflicts with GPL. OR that the PC does not recognise GPL as a running programme ( because it applies such a small load on the processor?) and goes into sleep mode?.
Any ideas would be appreciated as this problem is making my participation in UKGPL more of a pain in the a** than an enjoyable game simulation, and frankly I am losing interest.
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« Reply #33 on: January 24, 2018, 01:40:23 PM +0000 »

Unhappy news Clive.  Sad You could check for similar problems/solutions at SRMZ, where there is a section for such things.  If nothing seems applicable, give a short, accurate description and hope for someone with an answer that works.
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« Reply #34 on: January 25, 2018, 08:39:58 AM +0000 »

The start saw me heavily swamped and nearly ended in the cornfield when Bastian, for some reason, chose to make a dive into Courbe Annie Bousquet (T2) while I was trying navigate my truck through it on a normal line. Keeping myself on the black stuff cost another place or 2.
Why he did it I have no idea, it's far more sensible to stay behind an SL there so you can get close and draft them down the next straight - and get a free pass on all the other 'normal' cars in the process. We'd have been an easy 3rd and 4th by the end of the lap that way.

Well, it was not my intention to dive into t2 and give you trouble. I'm sorry. I have a light remembering of maybe slidin more than expected due to cold tires.
Generally, with my slower maserati i have to use every chance. Having lost the tow once, i will never get there again, as it was from lap 10 on when you went up to 4seconds in front.
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« Reply #35 on: January 25, 2018, 09:01:48 AM +0000 »


I am certainly no expert on computers as you all know, but this feels to me like either Win 10 is starting something in the background that conflicts with GPL. OR that the PC does not recognise GPL as a running programme ( because it applies such a small load on the processor?) and goes into sleep mode?.
Any ideas would be appreciated as this problem is making my participation in UKGPL more of a pain in the a** than an enjoyable game simulation, and frankly I am losing interest.


I know that if you add your knowledge of computers to mine you still end up with twice bugger all but I was also thinking sound cards when reading of your woes.

I believe that Axel has some preferred Soundblaster drivers that might be worth a try.  Or perhaps another sound card?

Also, is your PSU up to the job?
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« Reply #36 on: January 25, 2018, 09:37:48 AM +0000 »

The sound problems were gone after XP Wink
MS has lowered the quality of the sound engine, so every cheap onboard chip is able to do the job now.

Afaik it is a strong PC but seems to have problems handling old software...
Clive can you make a snapshot with HWiNFO64 portable of your system?
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« Reply #37 on: January 25, 2018, 01:44:24 PM +0000 »

Yep Clive, our combined computer based knowledge don't amount to whole heap of turnips does it?? Some say ignorance is bliss, but it can also be very frustrating!!!



Thanks for the soundcard clear up Axel. Just a thought? does it matter if I am running GPL in XP compatability mode???

D/loaded the HWINFO64 and I have sent you an email with the screenshot and the report

oops! don't have your email Axel ?? Undecided
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« Reply #38 on: January 25, 2018, 01:55:58 PM +0000 »

Clive, might not be relevant but have you checked the power saving settings. Could be your machine is set to timeout after an hour. I had this issue several years back.
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« Reply #39 on: January 25, 2018, 01:59:02 PM +0000 »

Am I being very dumb  ( the answer is probably YES!!) but I cannot insert the screenshot into a post??!! whatever I try does not appear to work?

Thanks for the heads up Bill, I have checked every power saving setting that I can find and either disabled it or extended it to 6hrs or more, so I don't think that is the culprit but..................................maybe there is one that I missed?
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« Reply #40 on: January 25, 2018, 02:12:17 PM +0000 »

You can send it via forums personal messages Wink

Yes the forum software refuses to let you post pictures sometimes...
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« Reply #41 on: January 25, 2018, 03:51:02 PM +0000 »

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The start saw me heavily swamped and nearly ended in the cornfield when Bastian, for some reason, chose to make a dive into Courbe Annie Bousquet (T2) while I was trying navigate my truck through it on a normal line. Keeping myself on the black stuff cost another place or 2.
Why he did it I have no idea, it's far more sensible to stay behind an SL there so you can get close and draft them down the next straight - and get a free pass on all the other 'normal' cars in the process. We'd have been an easy 3rd and 4th by the end of the lap that way.
I have had the same problem with Axel and Loynes.With Axel i have modified my line to avoid an incident but ending into the grain Field ,reset and S&G.With Loynes there was a touch and again into the field,again reset and S&G.After i was frustrated and i have abbandoned.
I can understand that for other car is difficult to overtake an SL but this place is very dangerous.
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« Reply #42 on: January 25, 2018, 09:51:20 PM +0000 »

I waited about 20 minutes until I felt confident as a first reserve driver to take no place of anyone.
At the beginning I had some brake problems with a full tank. Then a relaxed race followed. 
At last I had a nice duel with Dean (THX for very fair fighting) who was able to catch up me shortly before finish.
I'm looking forward to the next race  Smiley
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« Reply #43 on: January 25, 2018, 10:48:45 PM +0000 »

Congratulations to Tim, Sam and Tristan.

My race could have been better.

I made a cautious start and dropped a few places but then on lap two I lost the Lancia under braking at the end of the straight.  Thankfully I managed to go down the escape road without hitting anyone but I was just trying to figure out how to regain the track without collecting another car when someone threw a Connaught at me!  After that I just gunned it out of the slip road and thankfully missed everyone.  Shortly after this I was trying to turn inside Greg at T2 when I touched the brakes and spun.

Later I caught up with a battle that consisted of Alex, Doni, Fran and someone else and managed to get to the front of this group along with Fran at about lap seven.  Fran and I had a great battle that lasted until lap fifteen, when sadly we touched.  I was a wary of my brakes after the first few laps and Fran was doing great things with the SL's brakes and so it was difficult to make a pass that would stick.  It was a shame that it ended as it did but the mods will take a look at it.

After that it was just a matter of getting to the finish.
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« Reply #44 on: January 27, 2018, 05:11:48 PM +0000 »

Is it a requirement to use compatibility mode?  I use administrator mode and no compatibility mode.

I had very similar problems before my extended absence, which were due to the new video card I had acquired- after I returned it and replaced it with a similar secondhand one the issues vanished.  However at the time I was also having trouble with other applications, if yours are confined to GPL then hardware won't be the issue.  I'd run a memtest check anyway to be sure, it is very likely some sort of memory issue as you can run it for some time before the freeze.
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