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January 23, 2018, 09:37:23 PM +0000 - Reims (1954-72) - UKGPL Season 32 (2017-18) 1955 Grand Prix
Driver
 Team
Nat. Make Model Class Qualifying Race
Tyres Pos Time/Gap Pos Time/Gap Laps Stops Best Retirement
reason
Ballast
FullMetalGasket
 Black Night Racing
Mercedes W196 SL F1 1955 2 +1.530
130.712mph
1 48:02.737
128.814mph
20 2:21.897
130.847mph
Continental  
Samb
 Black Night Racing
Lancia D50 F1 1955 3 +2.617
129.719mph
2 +0.397
128.796mph
20 2:21.888
130.856mph
Pirelli  
MagicArsouille
 
Mercedes W196 F1 1955 1 2:20.514
132.135mph
3 +29.550
127.507mph
20 2:21.740
130.992mph
Continental  
bagrupp
 Team Groundhog
Maserati 250F F1 1955 6 +3.237
129.160mph
4 +30.986
127.444mph
20 2:23.636
129.263mph
Pirelli  
Cookie
 Antipasti Racing
Mercedes W196 F1 1955 4 +2.881
129.480mph
5 +33.833
127.320mph
20 2:23.051
129.792mph
Continental  
Clive Loynes
 Soggy Bottom Racers Club
Lancia D50 F1 1955 7 +3.472
128.949mph
6 +1:11.943
125.677mph
20 2:23.369
129.504mph
Pirelli  
ReiverEcosse
 
Lancia D50 F1 1955 14 +6.332
126.437mph
7 +1:30.147
124.908mph
20 2:25.267
127.812mph
Pirelli  
Phil Thornton
 Antipasti Racing
Lancia D50 F1 1955 11 +5.744
126.946mph
8 +1:30.161
124.907mph
20 2:24.099
128.848mph
Pirelli  
Rainier
 Black Night Racing
Mercedes W196 SL F1 1955 16 +7.892
125.108mph
9 +1:53.160
123.948mph
20 2:27.157
126.170mph
Continental  
DLogan
 
Lancia D50 F1 1955 18 10 +2:13.886
123.097mph
20 2:23.311
129.556mph
Pirelli  
uli
 
Connaught Type B F1 1955 12 +6.081
126.654mph
11 +2:15.135
123.046mph
20 2:25.512
127.597mph
Pirelli  
GregT
 Team Baarf
Mercedes W196 SL F1 1955 19 12 +2:25.293
122.633mph
20 2:23.415
129.462mph
Continental  
dave curtis
 Black Night Racing
Maserati 250F F1 1955 13 +6.236
126.520mph
13 +1L
118.316mph
19 2:26.131
127.056mph
Pirelli  
francesco
 Antipasti Racing
Mercedes W196 SL F1 1955 5 +2.993
129.379mph
14 +3L
123.743mph
17 2:25.139
127.924mph
Disco
Continental  
Billy Nobrakes
 Black Night Racing
Lancia D50 F1 1955 15 +7.397
125.527mph
15 +6L
120.387mph
14 2:28.133
125.339mph
Disco
Pirelli  
miner2049er
 Clark-Hill Racing
Lancia D50 F1 1955 8 +3.649
128.791mph
16 +8L
119.491mph
12 2:26.281
126.926mph
Disco
Pirelli  
Doni Yourth
 Blue Moose Racing
Mercedes W196 SL F1 1955 9 +4.597
127.949mph
17 +11L
123.530mph
9 2:26.702
126.562mph
Disco
Continental  
EvilClive
 Blue Moose Racing
Lancia D50 F1 1955 10 +4.803
127.768mph
18 DNS ---
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Pirelli  
Doni Yourth
 Blue Moose Racing
Ferrari 555 SS F1 1955 19 ---
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{unknown}  
60fps UKGPL8
 
Gordini T16 F1 1955 17 20 ---
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Englebert  

Moderator's Report

Server replay time: 0h00m45s

Bastian is leading Tris and Axel in a battle for 3rd spot.
Approaching the corner to take them onto the straight Tris makes a move down the inside, Bastian is turning in but sees Tris approaching. Bastian aborts his line to the apex and has to slow in order to take a wider line through the corner. Axel who is following closely is caught out as Bastian takes a slightly wider line and slows.
This is extremely fortunate for Tris as he is unable to turn his car and actually runs right across the track onto the grass. Tris would have undoubtedly hit Bastian if he had not moved off line to give Tris room. Bastian might have been able to make the undercut on Tris if Axel had not got there first. Axel clips the rear of Bastian and spins him out.

This is a difficult incident to moderate.
There is no doubt that Bastian suffered, but did nothing wrong.
Axel might not have clipped Bastian if Bastian had not made room for Tris
Tris benefitted from the whole incident and yet he was the driver who initiated the chain of events and would have hit Bastian if Bastian had not been aware.

I cannot penalise Bastian, he did nothing wrong.
I cannot penalise Tris because, although he precipitated the incident, he did not make contact with anyone.
I could penalise Axel for rear ending Bastian, but that seems harsh as he was a victim of events ahead.
Therefore I am going to call it a Racing Incident, but with a warning to Tris to be careful with braking in the 55's


Server replay time: 0h36m13s

Lap 15
Clive has been following Fran's Slipstreamer for several laps and although Clive has the advantage through the corners he cannot match the speed of the Merc on the straights.
Through T2 Fran makes a small mistake and it allows Clive to get alongside running down to T3.
Clive is on the outside but Fran's greater speed pulls him slightly ahead and Clive tucks in behind.
Fran's speed causes him to miss the apex and he is running just inside the centre line, leaving an inviting gap on his inside. Clive is seduced into going for that gap.
Clive holds a tight line against the grass and gets right alongside Fran.
On the exit of the corner there is a coming together. After replaying this several times and from the perspective of both cars I think this was a Racing Incident.
At the exit of the corner Fran's car gets more grip and turns in just slightly. At the same moment Clive's car which is pushing really hard drifts out just a little.
Both cars are effectively within half of the road width at all times and if no-one had deviated then both would have emerged unscathed. But each car moved fractionally towards the other at the same time and any clearance evaporated. Fran suffered more because GPL always punishes the car on the outside.
I am inclined to call this a Racing Incident as it difficult to lay the blame at either driver. Clive was completely alongside and entitled to contest the corner. Although he did not stray from his own side of the track, Fran never vacated the inner half of the same track.

Racing Incident

SimRacing.org.uk Lap Records
Grand Prix Legends
F1 1955
2:20.514
132.135mph
MagicArsouille
Qualifying
Mercedes W196January 23, 2018, 09:37:23 PM +0000
S3255F1
Grand Prix Legends
F1 1955
2:21.740
130.992mph
MagicArsouille
Race
Mercedes W196January 23, 2018, 09:37:23 PM +0000
S3255F1
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« Reply #45 on: February 02, 2018, 05:40:24 PM +0000 »

I read that the incident with Loynes is classified racing incident byt from the replay is clearly visible that the Lancia lose the rear.
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« Reply #46 on: February 05, 2018, 01:07:51 PM +0000 »

this seems more difficult than i remeber .
i'm excited to watch it later
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« Reply #47 on: February 05, 2018, 03:39:47 PM +0000 »

If this is the incident I watched live after retiring my own car, I thought at the time that Clive was squeezed but I would need to watch it again.

If you want to see the definition of squeezed, watch my race. At one point I was sandwiched.
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« Reply #48 on: February 05, 2018, 05:39:29 PM +0000 »

I have seen Clive at the last minute.Previously i have had the same with Axel but i have seen the nose.Despite a correction of the line there was a little touch but seem more a warping.The result,in both case,was to finish into the grain field that i have not understod why becomes a trap where is impossible to exit.To reset with S&G.
To me the incident with Clive seem due to the rear lost by the Lancia.What  made me lose my patience was the damned grain field.
Both could be 2 normal exit in other track(probably), with the possibility to regain the race.
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