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April 22, 2018, 09:54:23 AM +0100 - Brands Hatch (GP) - UKAC Season 8 Season 8 - British GT3 Series
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Jeffrey
 
Mercedes AMG GT3 GT3 2 +0.435
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1 50:20.839
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34 1:25.763
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Dunlop +60.0kg
Simon Gymer
 Team Shark
Porsche 911 GT3-R GT3 4 +0.984
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2 +12.352
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34 1:24.955
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Michelin +20.0kg
Mark J
 Legends Racing
Ferrari 488 GT3 GT3 9 +1.566
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3 +17.526
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34 1:25.435
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Pirelli  
nfsw55
 
Audi R8 LMS GT3 6 +1.162
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4 +25.785
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34 1:26.549
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Pirelli +100.0kg
Flavus Periculum
 
McLaren 650 GT3 GT3 1 1:24.272
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5 +26.453
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34 1:24.907
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Michelin  
Alfrance
 
BMW Z4M GT3 5 +0.994
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6 +32.174
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34 1:26.178
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Michelin +20.0kg
FullMetalGasket
 Black Night Racing
Mercedes AMG GT3 GT3 7 +1.248
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7 +32.924
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34 1:26.295
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Dunlop  
picnic
 Team Shark
Nissan GT-R GT3 GT3 10 +2.962
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8 +43.174
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34 1:26.489
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Michelin  
APEXTECHUSA
 Supersonic Racing
Porsche 911 GT3-R GT3 11 +2.964
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9 +1L
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33 1:27.995
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Michelin  
SRW
 Prodigy Racing
McLaren 650 GT3 GT3 10 +5L
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29 1:27.686
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Michelin  
spanner
 Prodigy Racing
Audi R8 LMS GT3 8 +1.276
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11 +9L
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25 1:26.238
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Pirelli  
Felix Simoes
 Black Widow Racing
Audi R8 LMS GT3 3 +0.858
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12 +14L
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20 1:26.289
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Pirelli +100.0kg
phspok
 Team Pseudo Racing
Lamborghini Huracan GT3 GT3 12 +3.300
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13 +22L
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12 1:28.233
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Pirelli  
Callum_F
 
Audi R8 LMS GT3 DNS ---
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Pirelli  
E_Bishwish
 NoWiFi Autosport
Audi R8 LMS GT3 ---
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Pirelli  
ChrisR
 Black Widow Racing
Audi R8 LMS GT3 ---
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Pirelli +20.0kg
I_Barclay
 NoWiFi Autosport
Porsche 911 GT3-R GT3 ---
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Michelin  
roguk
 Clark-Hill Racing
Porsche 911 GT3-R GT3 ---
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Michelin  
Bob
 WSL Racing Team
Nissan GT-R GT3 GT3 ---
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Michelin  
Stefan aka Postal
 Legends Racing
McLaren 650 GT3 GT3 ---
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Michelin  
moopmoop00
 NoWiFi Autosport
Ferrari 488 GT3 GT3 ---
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Pirelli  

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Simon G passes Flavus in Graham Hill Bend. Flavus gives some room, so Simon makes the pass. Simon is sufficienly alongside that he has no where else to go but up the kerb, which he does. Simon could have been more cautious, and Flavus could have given more room perhaps.
Racing incident, no penalty.

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« Reply #15 on: April 25, 2018, 06:15:30 AM +0100 »

http://wiki.grandprixlegends.info/index.php?title=GPL_Recommended_Driver_Behaviour#Corner_Rights

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uEbfjeIZc7g
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« Reply #16 on: April 25, 2018, 10:40:46 AM +0100 »

I had a similar incident a couple of weeks ago in a different league, where I was tapped from behind and went off into the barriers, was a short race
so pretty well ruined my race. There were rules I read about which basically said if there's contact it's the guy in front's fault.
I might find those, but the point is, you can usually find a version of the rules that suit your argument. I didn't post an incident
report because, it would be that I moved over, or the guy behind pushed his nose up the inside... so I left it.

These are the overall rules for passing in the top level SROUK pages:
https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=3349.msg65156#msg65156

If you feel wronged you can put in an incident report, if you have and you don't like the ruling, then you can appeal if
you want, and another moderator (there are several) will have a look at it.
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« Reply #17 on: April 26, 2018, 10:55:33 PM +0100 »

I hope you do book the incidents Flavus, as you cost me 3 penalty places for the Silverstone contact!  Tongue which I still think was a racing incident  Wink
I saw you get nerfed off ahead in this race,  unfortunate,  as could see you had good pace in the McLaren. It was a bit tricky and unfortunate that the Audi was warping in the race.

Last round should be a corker at Donington and 4 cars all within 10pts of each other from 5th to 8th and a few close together up front too.

Series stats look bad in that about 13 signed up drivers only made 2 rounds or less  Sad Not sure why as the racing has been pretty good and enjoyed the British GT series angle. Not putting race threads up until a couple of days before the race doesn’t help promote though  Undecided
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« Reply #18 on: April 27, 2018, 03:19:26 PM +0100 »

@ Mark - The incident at turn 1 that you saw when you were following was down to lag so very difficult for drivers to avoid contact when that happens  Sad.
However I raised an incident report for the above clash because my interpretation of the site rules is that it is all about the racing line turn in point - quote "you must establish substantial overlap with the car ahead before a corner's turn-in point to have the right for room to be left for you by the ahead driver". Therefore if an attacking driver has no overlap at this point then the attacking driver is fully responsible for any contact. E.g. An attacking driver on the opposite side of the track to the racing line will not gain any overlap until the lead driver slows to turn in. Then the attacking driver can easily gain false overlap by just braking later, going in faster, and claim that they have overlap when the inevitable collision takes place on or near the apex. Not so easy at the end of a long straight but not a lot skill required to poke a nose in front on faster corners. The main reason I put in incident reports is so that I can learn who is at fault and hopefully avoid similar incidents in future races, it is not a personal attack on anybody, its for my benefit as I am always looking to improve and avoid incidents. Overtaking and also defending always carries risk and I never like to risk spoiling somebody elses race, even if it means finishing farther down the field.
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« Reply #19 on: April 29, 2018, 03:14:27 PM +0100 »

Here is my review on the incident after the appeal:

There was no overlap at the moment of turn in for the corner and the manoevre was purely dependant on the defending car leaving the door open and giving space. Because there is hardly a braking zone for this corner, you need to be alongside at the moment of turning in:



However, the McLaren steers in quite a bit earlier than normal which could have caught the Porsche out. This is the turn in point a lap earlier:



The contact between both cars is really minimal, but the outcome seems a bit exagerrated by the collision model.

I'll leave the original verdict in tact. The Porsche was a bit overambitious with an attempt there, but the McLaren was a bit unpredictable while defending.
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