UKGPL Season 33 (2018) 1967 F1 - Oulton Park - Jun 10

[francesco]

However regardless of blame you must recognise that you must be doing something the rest of the drivers are not. You do not appear to appreciate that you have a duty of care to your fellow drivers. You appear to drive as if you are the only car on the track. Please have another look at the guidance on using mirrors and on side-by-side contact. These examples show that you must drive with care and an understanding of who is around you, even if you cannot see them.

Me and you Phil, have had some battle in the last month and don't seem to me that all the battle are finished with an incident, rather was a battle. Many of the incident reported(first race65 and the last at Olton) are only an appeal to the pro pilots to have a more "gentelman" behavior against the am.All the incident are happen when i have already set the corner and in this condition ,at least for me, is not easy to change trajectory.I have done this only in the 55 at Spa with Muttram because i have seen his wheel on my right but the cost was to lose the control of the car.
Anyway i race this evening at Mosport then,if all the comunity and the moderators have the opinion that i do too many incidents,i leave the race for the  satisfaction of some guys that have the sympathy of a pimple on the ass.

[Jeep]

After viewing the replay I see it was Doni I squeezed in my inane attempts to get back up to speed. Sorry Doni, all my fault. glad you could continue.  (Less pleased you also finished ahead of me at the end).

TTFN
John.

[Rainier]

But I can't understand why your name appears in 80%  !

What you allude?Have you seen the replay?

I already wrote you are not directly responsible of all these incidents. (moreover, I gave you an example where I was responsible)
But concrete statistics said “you are involved in 80% of the incidents” so somewhere there is a problem and we must find a solution TOGETHER with you. 

Information for Reinier.In more 48 years of driving i have had only 2 incident.One with 70%of right for me and one with 100% because was a back entry at high speed.

Hopefully, we are not driving in the real life as we drive with GPL …else nobody would be still alive !

All the incident are happen when i have already set the corner and in this condition ,at least for me, is not easy to change trajectory.

Maybe, it is just a question of anticipation.
I don’t know if using F10 view could solve part of this trouble ?
Personally, I don’t want you to leave the races I just want to find a nice solution for you  and other drivers. I am sure you can understand it.

[francesco]

I don’t know if using F10 view could solve part of this trouble ?

Infortunately i can't apply F10 for a moment.With the new wheel no button work into the game.Since i'm not fast if i use always F10 is better a retirement, seen the times that I could achieve.
I think to have summarized my point of view in the previous post.We are racing in mix season, with pro and am together ,and this is the origin of the problem.Anyway i think is better to analyze my report and what i have wrote to have a more clear idea but allow me to say that some pro pilots have a bully behavior against the am.

[Rainier]

About F10 view, I read it can make you a little bit faster,  after some practices of course.
Don't repeat it, but I think Tristan is driving with F10 

From my point of view, it is a good thing to run mixed races (Pro+Ams) as we always did for Historics 66.
Can you imagine to race during 45 minutes with only 3 or 4 other drivers (that's the case this season for Privateers)  ?

I agree with you about the fact every driver should adapt their behaviour. Pros and Ams should be more cautious but every driver should not resist with obstination against a 3 seconds quicker driver.

Honestly I was not happy on the begin of Oulton race when Tristan and another pilot (Pobably Pelle with the other Honda) overtook me with a little contact with my car, even if I let them the more place I could. Hopefully their was no consequences at all.   

[Clive Loynes]

Francesco and David Rainier,

Can I help?

I used to be a moderator here a long time ago.  I moderated Evil's first race, https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=4262#event1299 , where the note on his report card said "quick between crashes"

Those were the days when I acted as moderator for the Clubmans division, the entry level of that era.  It was my job to ensure that those participating had the basics of on-line racing hammered into them before they were let loose on the upper divisions.

I would be happy to offer Fran a private review of his '67 races so that he may have early information with regard to how his race will be viewed by others.    This would not just be the points where he encountered other cars.

I do not see Fran as a bad driver but rather as one who is driving as if it were "real".  On-line racing has to be adapted to the limited view offered by GPL, both forward and back.  Picking up on one of Fran's comments in this thread regarding having lost control whilst trying to give track position to Tim in a '55 race; this indicates to me that he waited too long before conceding the place.  If you wait until you can see the car alongside then you may already committed to the corner and may find it difficult to do anything.  On the other hand, if a faster car has closed on you and has then disappeared from your mirrors it is an ABSOLUTE MUST that you consider him to be alongside you and do not try to use that side of the track.  I'll keep an open mind but this may also be the cause of Fran believing that the PRO drivers are bullies.  On the other side of the argument, the PRO driver expected to be given room after clearly demonstrating that they could have achieved a substantial overlap.  On the other hand, Fran may be right!  ;-)

I only have '67 and '55 loaded and have no intention to add anything else.  I would not review the '55 races as I shall probably be in them.

I have no capacity to speak Italian, so I may need the help of Fulvio if we have trouble in understanding each other.

[francesco]

About F10 view, I read it can make you a little bit faster,  after some practices of course.

i can try but ,anyway ,f10 could be useful for sure in the incident with Clive at Mosport(moreover not reported until now) not in my opinion at Olton with the 67 ot Crystal with the 65.One time i set the corner trajectory ,if the car beheind decide to enter in any way, i have little to do.
Inexplicable is the incident with Logan(always Olton67).After the corner ,releasing the gas, i stay on the left to give road on the right but seem that Logan prefer to hit exactly in the middle my car from the rear.
I have not reported an incident but a behaviour because in the 67 and 65 we have 2 different rankings,i'm not in fight with them but a little attention from them is required.
Anyway thank you to both for the support and Clive don't worry for the Italian with the English i'm not so bad and  eventually Google traslator exist    i wait your comments.

From my point of view, it is a good thing to run mixed races (Pro+Ams) as we always did for Historics 66.

I agree with you with the few cars in an only  Ams race but the skill is very different.What do leveled the 66,until now,are the exit from the track and the engine failure.

[francesco]

Allow me a remark.Looking at the replay at Mosport 65 first lap,i noticed that an incident ,similar to the one with me and Clive,happen between Axel and Doni.Is very similar and this  does not make me feel the only one that do error.....at least comforting.

[Clive Loynes]

Am I correct in thinking that I can't see blue flags on the server replay because they are client specific?

[francesco]

Possible,  but in my replay are visible.the blue flag appear immediately at the corner entry.

[Pelle_B]

hehe Clive, now I remember where I had seen your name before, here in the UKGPL...maybe your avatar woke my memory (Monza )

Honestly I was not happy on the begin of Oulton race when Tristan and another pilot (Pobably Pelle with the other Honda) overtook me with a little contact with my car, even if I let them the more place I could. Hopefully their was no consequences at all.    

Now I've seen replay...again:
Do you talk about lap 1?...you make room for a Ferrari & me...& there was no contact, not with me & not on replay  
As with Francesco, were very wide on the long side & thought he would finally give room before the right turn, I do all the space I can (see replay) & have the whole car out in the grass, except my left wheels. A misunderstanding from my side...but yes, I wanted to pass.
As I said in my previous, I discovered the race too late, no practice, could not remember the track & a terrible setup
Had no idea that the 2 divisions were merged to 1, Sry my fault. I thought Jeep was moving up in Works & our Team was together.

Regardless of all the negative, Oulton is a really exciting & fun track
@GT, badly...yes you gave a little too much space, but thanks
@Policardi, to see replay from around lap 17-19, really entertainment. A huge match for 3rd place & we changed positions a number of times. At one point I'm behind you & I would not overtake you, but get on grass & of course, I can not slow to the next turn, BANG...Big Sry.
We can move on as nothing has happened, how lucky...but you deserved the 3rd place, Thx for fun  

Maybe you should take a look at these laps, at some point (last turn), Policardi tries to get past the inside, I'll make room & stay out...there's room for 2 cars

Ohh one last thing, I have nothing against the divisions to become one, it gives some fun challenges...but of course, there may also be misunderstandings, which in reality 

[Clive Loynes]

hehe Clive, now I remember where I had seen your name before, here in the UKGPL...maybe your avatar woke my memory (Monza )

Ratbag!  ;-p You pinched my pole position!

LOL  I'm hoping that Mexico has too many corners for the Torro Grosso to cope with!   

(Ref to PDLR League Races)

[Billy Nobrakes]

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