NoGrip Legacy TC Event 1: Monza Twin race

[Nappe1]

NoGrip Legacy TC Championship 2019

Monza twin race event

18th of March, 2019

Two short races on original Monza. First one on Junior layout and second one on GP layout. Let's get this thing really started.


Server info:
- Server Name: NoGrip Legacy TC Server
- Password: tc4ever


1st Race
Track: Monza Junior (Original GTL Track)
Allowed Classes: Division 1 classes.

• under 850cc.
• 850 - 999cc.

Qualifying: 20 minutes, starts at 20:10 GMT.
Race: Length 14 laps, starts at approx. 20:30  GMT.
Scoring:

• Both classes score points separately. Winner of each class receives 7 points, 2nd in each class receives 6 points and so on and so forth.
• Overall winner of the race scores additional 1 point.
• Start in a class where driver has not started yet in this season, scores automatically 3 additional points.

2nd Race
Track: Monza GP (Original GTL Track)
Allowed Classes: Division 3 classes.

• 1600 - 2000cc
• over 2000cc

Qualifying: 20 minutes, starts approx 20:50 GMT.
Race: Length 14 laps.
Scoring:

• Both classes score points separately. Winner of each class receives 7 points, 2nd in each class receives 6 points and so on and so forth.
• Overall winner of the race scores additional 1 point.
• Start in a class where driver has not started yet in this season, scores automatically 3 additional points.

Notes
- I Decided to run this one on original track version as there's no 1970's Junior or other short layout available. After this one, the track layouts will be more period correct.
- Championship main thread, with calendar, cars, classes and other info: https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=15414.0

[Wiltshire Tony]

Can we use the 70's Monza layout for the 2nd race?

[Nappe1]

Can we use the 70's Monza layout for the 2nd race?

I thought that too, but somehow it felt wrong to have modern layout and old layout in same event. Plus, it does add possibility of confusion about what is needed to download.
That's why I decided that it is easier to have this one completely on original track. Also thought racing 1970's GP layout with the small class as well, but that would take a lot of time and based on previous experiences, (as much as I love authenticy) quite boring especially to be first race of the season...

And if I remember right, this is the only one we run on original track. Rest of the races are as close as possible to 1970's layouts I have able to found. Or at least the replacements are same style as the period correct track was.

[EvilClive]

I have only been racing GTL for a couple of years and still find ways to make it NOT work...ask Tony  .

Would it be possible to add a link to the correct circuit download with each race post and avoid any confusion?. Just like Tony does in UKGTL. If the track to be used is one of the original default GTL tracks, then a simple message telling us that will be good too.

I would hate to discover on Monday evening that when I join the server I do not have the right track installed  

[Wiltshire Tony]

I have only been racing GTL for a couple of years and still find ways to make it NOT work...ask Tony  .

Would it be possible to add a link to the correct circuit download with each race post and avoid any confusion?. Just like Tony does in UKGTL. If the track to be used is one of the original default GTL tracks, then a simple message telling us that will be good too.

I would hate to discover on Monday evening that when I join the server I do not have the right track installed  

Clive, for these first events it seems we are using the original GTL Monza tracks (Junior & GP)

[Wiltshire Tony]

Can we use the 70's Monza layout for the 2nd race?

I thought that too, but somehow it felt wrong to have modern layout and old layout in same event. Plus, it does add possibility of confusion about what is needed to download.
That's why I decided that it is easier to have this one completely on original track. Also thought racing 1970's GP layout with the small class as well, but that would take a lot of time and based on previous experiences, (as much as I love authenticy) quite boring especially to be first race of the season...

And if I remember right, this is the only one we run on original track. Rest of the races are as close as possible to 1970's layouts I have able to found. Or at least the replacements are same style as the period correct track was.

The Junior circuit is a 1970's track. It hasn't changed since 1959 http://racingcircuits.info/europe/italy/monza.html#.XIosnij7SUk

[Nappe1]

Can we use the 70's Monza layout for the 2nd race?

I thought that too, but somehow it felt wrong to have modern layout and old layout in same event. Plus, it does add possibility of confusion about what is needed to download.
That's why I decided that it is easier to have this one completely on original track. Also thought racing 1970's GP layout with the small class as well, but that would take a lot of time and based on previous experiences, (as much as I love authenticy) quite boring especially to be first race of the season...

And if I remember right, this is the only one we run on original track. Rest of the races are as close as possible to 1970's layouts I have able to found. Or at least the replacements are same style as the period correct track was.

The Junior circuit is a 1970's track. It hasn't changed since 1959 http://racingcircuits.info/europe/italy/monza.html#.XIosnij7SUk

Almost correct ; The first corner shape has been changed. You can see the old corner entrance in google maps aerial shots:
https://www.google.fi/maps/place/20900+Monza,+Monza+e+Brianzan+maakunta,+Italia/@45.6210156,9.2821193,186m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m5!3m4!1s0x4786b9a136505b87:0x11cc7d58ca00449d!8m2!3d45.5845001!4d9.2744485
This is also reported in photographs section of this site: http://www.gdecarli.it/php/circuit.php?var1=538&var2=2
Not sure when this has happened though. In GTL version it is using the new one already so probably before 2005.

The old one had very tight apex especially when it is first corner. Perhaps even more prone to accidents than the one now in place?

I might actually revert using 70's GP layout for both races... As it was the way it was ran in 1970. If I make the change, it's going to happen this evening. Otherwise it is too late for participants.

[Wiltshire Tony]

I doubt anyone cares if a corner has changed. Please keep the Junior track.

[EvilClive]

If you could remove that corner completely, and maybe 3 others, it would make the track much easier   

[Nappe1]

I tested once more using the 70's GP layout for second race and ended up to same result as I did with my initial tests: I want to use same lap count for both races, so using 1970 GP layout for second race, would call changing the lap counts for both races and as much as I like the period correctness, I have to use the original plan for this one as there's not that much of time before monday.  So, original GTL tracks will be used.

So everything will follow as posted in race invitation.

I have only been racing GTL for a couple of years and still find ways to make it NOT work...ask Tony  .

Would it be possible to add a link to the correct circuit download with each race post and avoid any confusion?. Just like Tony does in UKGTL. If the track to be used is one of the original default GTL tracks, then a simple message telling us that will be good too.

I would hate to discover on Monday evening that when I join the server I do not have the right track installed 

Don't worry, all the needed downloads will be listed in each race invitation. The championship will use some exclusively modded tracks to implement the 2 hour races, so the track download will be mandatory in some events. I also try to make possible to have server test forehand so that everyone could test having the track correctly installed.

I added note that this time both races use original GTL tracks to race invitation, so no need for download for this one.

[Nappe1]

Today is the race day.

EDIT:
Here's some notes to first race of the day:
- As the 850cc cars have better standing start than the 1000cc (unless you truly master these high revving screamers), be extra careful on first corner. It's not the first straight that declares the winner here, so being a patient 1000cc driver who didn't nailed the start, you have some good time on back straight to take over smaller class cars.
- The chicane after parabolica is rather narrow and while these cars are small, they are still big enough to cause some mayhem if someone spins in that chicane.

[nocatu]

Is it just me or do the cars move a bit in the starting line once a gear is chosen and waiting for the start? Could that lead to a jump start?

[Geoffers]

Is it just me or do the cars move a bit in the starting line once a gear is chosen and waiting for the start? Could that lead to a jump start?

Don't think anyone had any problem at the test races, may be worth checking the operation of your clutch pedal.

[nocatu]

Will do! I'll also assign a button for the handbrake just to be sure, thanks!

[Geoffers]

Excellent fun last night & great to see such a good turn out, hope it lasts.

First race in the 850 Mini started badly when I ran wide at the first corner & spun around. Rejoined last but one & had a long chase to catch the other 850 class runners. Soon caught Dom whose Abarth seemed slower on the straights but it took a few more laps to catch Mike, Tony & Dan. Tony obligingly ran wide at T1 & let me through & I got a good run onto the back straight & drafted past Mike, Dan took a bit more effort though as his Abarth was quicker on the straights (?). Got ahead at the Parabolica but Dan came back past on the S/F straight & I just managed to outbrake him into T1. Eased away after that for 10th place & first 850.

Second race I was a bit lucky to get pole as Nocatu was well up on my time on his last qually lap but got it wrong at Ascari. Looked like it would be a close race but I opened up a couple of seconds lead on lap 1 & thereafter gradually extended it so that I was able to ease off for the last 2-3 laps.

Congrats to the podiums  & thanks to Nappe for organising.