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June 22, 2006, 09:14:31 PM +0100 - Zolder (2002-2008) - UKGTL Ladder GTC-65
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 Team
Nat. Make Model Class Qualifying Race
Tyres Pos Time/Gap Pos Time/Gap Laps Stops Best Retirement
reason
Ballast
Pero_Grozni
 RS Motorsport
AC Cobra 427 (#859) GTC-65 2 +0.166
87.087mph
1 37:45.023
82.325mph
20 1:48.027
86.306mph
Dunlop  
Jeffrey
 Team Shark
AC Cobra 427 (#859) GTC-65 1 1:46.893
87.222mph
2 +14.962
81.785mph
20 1:47.944
86.373mph
Dunlop  
Aagramn
 Team Shark
Porsche 914-6 (#370) GTC-TC-76 3 +3.414
84.522mph
3 +52.980
80.443mph
20 1:50.547
84.339mph
Dunlop  
pribeiro
 Ghostspeed
Lotus Elan 26R (#623) GTC-65 7 +4.270
83.872mph
4 +1:03.060
80.095mph
20 1:51.529
83.596mph
Dunlop  
ASSASSINO
 Ghostspeed
Lotus Elan 26R (#610) GTC-65 5 +4.031
84.052mph
5 +1:19.987
79.517mph
20 1:51.547
83.583mph
Dunlop  
Dan Minton
 Team RVS
Lotus Elan 26R (#620) GTC-65 10 +4.859
83.429mph
6 +1:28.616
79.225mph
20 1:51.631
83.520mph
Dunlop  
Bernie Lomax
 Ze Penguin Brotherhood
Porsche 914-6 (#370) GTC-TC-76 8 +4.317
83.836mph
7 +1:29.395
79.199mph
20 1:50.867
84.095mph
Dunlop  
locutos ukgtr
 28CD Motorsports
AC Cobra 427 (#859) GTC-65 9 +4.442
83.742mph
8 +1:43.368
78.732mph
20 1:51.752
83.429mph
Dunlop  
JohnnyDee
 Ghostspeed
Lotus Elan 26R (#652) GTC-65 11 +5.432
83.004mph
9 (+1) +1:52.879
78.417mph
20 1:52.558
82.832mph
Dunlop  
Oilseal
 Team Oldie Racing
Porsche 914-6 (#370) GTC-TC-76 14 +6.984
81.873mph
10 +1L
77.113mph
19 1:53.720
81.986mph
Dunlop  
LeH
 
Lotus Elan 26R (#623) GTC-65 6 +4.225
83.905mph
11 +9.920
76.781mph
19 1:50.739
84.193mph
Dunlop  
Baz
 
Lotus Elan 26R (#602) GTC-65 15 +7.358
81.605mph
12 +17.442
76.532mph
19 1:54.663
81.311mph
Dunlop  
Don
 Legends Racing
Lotus Elan 26R (#620) GTC-65 18 +8.538
80.770mph
13 +19.049
76.479mph
19 1:55.122
80.987mph
Dunlop  
TinMan
 Team Oldie Racing
TVR Griffith 400 (#857) GTC-65 16 +7.488
81.512mph
14 +20.454
76.432mph
19 1:54.243
81.610mph
Dunlop  
popabawa
 Legends Racing
Lotus Elan 26R (#623) GTC-65 17 +8.103
81.076mph
15 +22.401
76.368mph
19 1:55.255
80.894mph
Dunlop  
OSiriS
 
Porsche 914-6 (#370) GTC-TC-76 13 +5.930
82.638mph
16 (+2) +36.913
75.893mph
19 1:54.032
81.761mph
Dunlop  
Dave 'Gizmo' Gymer
 Team Shark
TVR Griffith 400 (#879) GTC-65 20 +9.373
80.190mph
17 +40.666
75.772mph
19 1:55.790
80.520mph
Dunlop  
Mark J
 Legends Racing
Porsche 914-6 (#370) GTC-TC-76 4 +3.683
84.317mph
18 +1:05.581
74.973mph
19 1:51.240
83.813mph
Dunlop  
Andy Charman
 Kerb Crawlers
Porsche 914-6 (#370) GTC-TC-76 19 +8.829
80.567mph
19 +2L
72.900mph
18 1:54.487
81.436mph
Dunlop  
BillThomas
 
Porsche 914-6 (#370) GTC-TC-76 21 +9.906
79.824mph
20 +12.851
72.496mph
18 1:58.627
78.594mph
Dunlop  
Simon Gymer
 Team Shark
Lotus Elan 26R (#602) GTC-65 12 +5.544
82.921mph
21 +5L 15 1:52.655
82.761mph
unknown
Dunlop  
longskater1969
 28CD Motorsports
Shelby Daytona Coupe (#856) GTC-65 22 +17L 3 2:02.896
75.864mph
unknown
Dunlop  
Jamera
 28CD Motorsports
Porsche 914-6 (#370) GTC-TC-76 22 +12.753
77.925mph
23 +18L 2 3:34.716
43.422mph
unknown
Dunlop  

Moderator's Report

Server replay time: 192s

Incident involving Phil Kerins, JohnnyDee and Shark. Phil states hes having problems with Sharks ghosting car and tags the back of him. JohnnyDee reports that Phil is coming to fast down the straight, as drivers head toward the spot where pit limiter is to be engaged, and rear-ends Johnny. Close examination of the replay shows that Shark is having technical issues, in my replay from 158s to 217s Sharks car is "hung" in the right hander after the chicane so I cant verify Phils ghost problem but agree there is a problem. However, I have to agree with JohnnyDee, Phil appears to be going to fast and brakes to late to avoid rear ending Johnny. Even allowing for a ghosting car this incident should not have happened.


Server replay time: 290s

JohnnyDee misses his braking point into the 2nd chicane and rear ends Locutos who as a result veers into Dan Minton. Locutos goes through the gravel trap collecting a cut track warning, Dan Minton loses a place. Johnny does allow Dan to re-pass on the next lap, penalty reduced by 1.


Server replay time: 430s

Several incidents reported by JohnnyDee involving Shark. Shark has apologised for any problems he caused during the race in public forum, he was not aware he was lagging or he would have dropped.

Technical issue.

  • Racing incident


Server replay time: 1424s

Reported incidents at 1424 and 1444 by Popabawa and 1460 by Don. Complaints of intimidating flashing lights by Ruskus and Pero when lapping. I quote from rules on lights usage:

"Drivers may flash their headlights (either on-off during the day or off-on during the night) to warn other drivers of their presence. However, a driver being flashed shall not be obligated to let them pass".

Quite frankly Don and Pops I see nothing intimidating in the replay, the 2 lead racers are simply telling you they are there, and obviously it worked. Judging from past incidents where lapped drivers have failed to notice the blue flashing light on the dash warning of an impending car about to lap them, I think Ruskus and Pero are well within there rights.

  • Racing incident


Server replay time: 1472s

Bill Thomas locks his brakes and loses time into the turn. JohnnyDee states that Bill came back through the racing line on the exit of the turn forcing Johnny to back off and lose time. The replay shows Bill exited the turn slowly but DID NOT do anything untoward. Johnnys speed though the turn carries him naturally towards the point Bills car occupied and therefore Johnny would have to back off to avoid contact unless he expects other drivers to stop and let him by.

  • Racing incident


Server replay time: 1520s

Bill Thomas approaches the left turn after the S/F straight. He is slower than JohnnyDee who carries much more speed into the turn locking the front in doing so. Johnny states that Bill swung out at the last instant from the left lane onto the racing line. Do I have a different replay to everyone else? I see nothing wrong with Bills line or the way he moved to position himself for the turn. However, Bill should by now have been aware that he was being lapped and would have been better off staying on the left side of track taking a tighter and slower line through the turn allowining JohnnyDee to pass safely.

  • BillThomas (Bill)advice — Be aware of drivers lapping you, blue light flash on dash.

SimRacing.org.uk Lap Records
GT Legends
GTC-65
1:46.893
87.222mph
Jeffrey
Qualifying
AC Cobra 427June 22, 2006, 09:14:31 PM +0100
LLG
GT Legends
GTC-65
1:47.944
86.373mph
Jeffrey
Race
AC Cobra 427June 22, 2006, 09:14:31 PM +0100
LLG
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« on: June 06, 2006, 08:58:44 AM +0100 »

UKGTL Ladder - "GTC 65 Mid-Range" at Zolder

This is the first race of the new rolling ranking aka 'the Ladder'. All members welcome.

Date: Thursday 22nd June

Practice: 20:30 (15 mins)
Qualifying: 20:45 (20 mins)
Race: 21:05 (20 laps = ~40 mins)

Cars allowed: GTC-65: Cobras, TVR, Elan, Corvette, Shelby Daytona Coupé; GTC-TC-76: Porsche 914
Time of day: 12:00 (midday)

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(1) It's best if all drivers can make sure they are connected before the Qualifying session as drivers on track during qualifying will not see cars that join after they are on track until they go back to the garage.
(2) Please make sure you are fully aware of the SimRacing.org.uk Rules. Note in particular that we will be using the new pit lane speed limiter starting procedure.
(3) General information on the ladder can be found on the series home page.
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« Reply #1 on: June 19, 2006, 09:16:45 AM +0100 »

It will be at Zolder and cars allowed will be mostly GTC-65: Cobras, TVR, Elan, Corvette, Shelby Daytona Coupé. From the 76 cars we will allow the Porsche 914 to see how it compares to the '65ers.

A proper announcement will be posted as soon as we've nailed the new starting procedure down.
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« Reply #2 on: June 19, 2006, 10:25:38 AM +0100 »

 thumbup1 Gives me a chance to do a few practise laps, haven't played GTL for a while.
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« Reply #3 on: June 20, 2006, 08:37:00 AM +0100 »

 Sad Crap! a half hour earlier start and I could have probably made this one  :'( I suppose any chance of moving the times in future is a no-no?
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« Reply #4 on: June 20, 2006, 08:47:03 AM +0100 »

Sad Crap! a half hour earlier start and I could have probably made this one  :'( I suppose any chance of moving the times in future is a no-no?

Personally it would suit me to move the times up slightly, but we've found in the past that trying to start earlier results in a lot more people not being able to join as it clashes with evening meals and putting kids to bed.

If we were to start 30 minutes earlier is there anyone planning to race who couldn't make it as a result?

(I did get your PM but wasn't going to reply until after publishing this announcement.)
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« Reply #5 on: June 20, 2006, 09:05:22 AM +0100 »

If we were to start 30 minutes earlier is there anyone planning to race who couldn't make it as a result?

Yep.

Oh is that a simple cut and paste error or are we really racing at Le Mans ?
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« Reply #6 on: June 20, 2006, 09:11:09 AM +0100 »

Please don't move the start earlier.
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« Reply #7 on: June 20, 2006, 09:12:06 AM +0100 »

Oh is that a simple cut and paste error or are we really racing at Le Mans ?

I've corrected Gizmo's typo.  Tongue Tongue Tongue
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« Reply #8 on: June 20, 2006, 09:13:20 AM +0100 »

Sweet Zolder clap. But I'm not sure about the 914 Huh. It will beat a Elan, and in the long run quite possibly the big muscles due to tyres. Will have to do some test laps to know for sure.
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« Reply #9 on: June 20, 2006, 09:17:08 AM +0100 »

I think 40 mins is about 20 laps at about 1:52 pace with a formation lap of about 2:30 so have adjusted the original post as such.
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« Reply #10 on: June 20, 2006, 09:51:09 AM +0100 »

Sweet Zolder clap. But I'm not sure about the 914 Huh. It will beat a Elan, and in the long run quite possibly the big muscles due to tyres. Will have to do some test laps to know for sure.

The relative performance between 65 and 76 cars is a "known unknown" - that's why I want to introduce one here so we have a point of comparison.
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« Reply #11 on: June 20, 2006, 10:03:01 AM +0100 »

Sweet Zolder clap. But I'm not sure about the 914 Huh. It will beat a Elan, and in the long run quite possibly the big muscles due to tyres. Will have to do some test laps to know for sure.

The relative performance between 65 and 76 cars is a "known unknown" - that's why I want to introduce one here so we have a point of comparison.

It's a good idea, the more competitive the cars are, the better. Like I said, I'll do some laps and post it so there is some sort of benchmark.
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« Reply #12 on: June 20, 2006, 10:09:20 AM +0100 »

Elan or 914 for me, all the others handle like poop.
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« Reply #13 on: June 20, 2006, 03:19:43 PM +0100 »

Did some quick laps with all the cars:

AC Cobra           1:48.764
TVR                  1:50.062
Elan                  1:51.171
Corvette           1:50.743
Shelby              1:50.129
Porsche 914      1:48.005

The ease of the 914, together with the 5 gears, low tyre wear and fuel usage, it will most definatly be the ideal car for this track.

As you can see I can't handle the Elan, I'm better in every muscle car. As long as it has more power than grip, I'm happy. Grin
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« Reply #14 on: June 20, 2006, 03:25:56 PM +0100 »

Looks about right, other than your pitiful Elan time.  Wink Wink Wink angel

Remember the faster cars score less points in the ladder, so just cause you do better on the track doesn't mean you do better in the ladder...
http://www.simracing.org.uk/index.php?ind=lm2&group=25&scoring=38#ch38
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