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  • UKGTL - Zolder: June 22, 2006
June 22, 2006, 09:14:31 PM +0100 - Zolder (2002-2008) - UKGTL Ladder GTC-65
Driver
 Team
Nat. Make Model Class Qualifying Race
Tyres Pos Time/Gap Pos Time/Gap Laps Stops Best Retirement
reason
Ballast
Pero_Grozni
 RS Motorsport
AC Cobra 427 (#859) GTC-65 2 +0.166
87.087mph
1 37:45.023
82.325mph
20 1:48.027
86.306mph
Dunlop  
Jeffrey
 Team Shark
AC Cobra 427 (#859) GTC-65 1 1:46.893
87.222mph
2 +14.962
81.785mph
20 1:47.944
86.373mph
Dunlop  
Aagramn
 Team Shark
Porsche 914-6 (#370) GTC-TC-76 3 +3.414
84.522mph
3 +52.980
80.443mph
20 1:50.547
84.339mph
Dunlop  
pribeiro
 Ghostspeed
Lotus Elan 26R (#623) GTC-65 7 +4.270
83.872mph
4 +1:03.060
80.095mph
20 1:51.529
83.596mph
Dunlop  
ASSASSINO
 Ghostspeed
Lotus Elan 26R (#610) GTC-65 5 +4.031
84.052mph
5 +1:19.987
79.517mph
20 1:51.547
83.583mph
Dunlop  
Dan Minton
 Team RVS
Lotus Elan 26R (#620) GTC-65 10 +4.859
83.429mph
6 +1:28.616
79.225mph
20 1:51.631
83.520mph
Dunlop  
Bernie Lomax
 Ze Penguin Brotherhood
Porsche 914-6 (#370) GTC-TC-76 8 +4.317
83.836mph
7 +1:29.395
79.199mph
20 1:50.867
84.095mph
Dunlop  
locutos ukgtr
 28CD Motorsports
AC Cobra 427 (#859) GTC-65 9 +4.442
83.742mph
8 +1:43.368
78.732mph
20 1:51.752
83.429mph
Dunlop  
JohnnyDee
 Ghostspeed
Lotus Elan 26R (#652) GTC-65 11 +5.432
83.004mph
9 (+1) +1:52.879
78.417mph
20 1:52.558
82.832mph
Dunlop  
Oilseal
 Team Oldie Racing
Porsche 914-6 (#370) GTC-TC-76 14 +6.984
81.873mph
10 +1L
77.113mph
19 1:53.720
81.986mph
Dunlop  
LeH
 
Lotus Elan 26R (#623) GTC-65 6 +4.225
83.905mph
11 +9.920
76.781mph
19 1:50.739
84.193mph
Dunlop  
Baz
 
Lotus Elan 26R (#602) GTC-65 15 +7.358
81.605mph
12 +17.442
76.532mph
19 1:54.663
81.311mph
Dunlop  
Don
 Legends Racing
Lotus Elan 26R (#620) GTC-65 18 +8.538
80.770mph
13 +19.049
76.479mph
19 1:55.122
80.987mph
Dunlop  
TinMan
 Team Oldie Racing
TVR Griffith 400 (#857) GTC-65 16 +7.488
81.512mph
14 +20.454
76.432mph
19 1:54.243
81.610mph
Dunlop  
popabawa
 Legends Racing
Lotus Elan 26R (#623) GTC-65 17 +8.103
81.076mph
15 +22.401
76.368mph
19 1:55.255
80.894mph
Dunlop  
OSiriS
 
Porsche 914-6 (#370) GTC-TC-76 13 +5.930
82.638mph
16 (+2) +36.913
75.893mph
19 1:54.032
81.761mph
Dunlop  
Dave 'Gizmo' Gymer
 Team Shark
TVR Griffith 400 (#879) GTC-65 20 +9.373
80.190mph
17 +40.666
75.772mph
19 1:55.790
80.520mph
Dunlop  
Mark J
 Legends Racing
Porsche 914-6 (#370) GTC-TC-76 4 +3.683
84.317mph
18 +1:05.581
74.973mph
19 1:51.240
83.813mph
Dunlop  
Andy Charman
 Kerb Crawlers
Porsche 914-6 (#370) GTC-TC-76 19 +8.829
80.567mph
19 +2L
72.900mph
18 1:54.487
81.436mph
Dunlop  
BillThomas
 
Porsche 914-6 (#370) GTC-TC-76 21 +9.906
79.824mph
20 +12.851
72.496mph
18 1:58.627
78.594mph
Dunlop  
Simon Gymer
 Team Shark
Lotus Elan 26R (#602) GTC-65 12 +5.544
82.921mph
21 +5L 15 1:52.655
82.761mph
unknown
Dunlop  
longskater1969
 28CD Motorsports
Shelby Daytona Coupe (#856) GTC-65 22 +17L 3 2:02.896
75.864mph
unknown
Dunlop  
Jamera
 28CD Motorsports
Porsche 914-6 (#370) GTC-TC-76 22 +12.753
77.925mph
23 +18L 2 3:34.716
43.422mph
unknown
Dunlop  

Moderator's Report

Server replay time: 192s

Incident involving Phil Kerins, JohnnyDee and Shark. Phil states hes having problems with Sharks ghosting car and tags the back of him. JohnnyDee reports that Phil is coming to fast down the straight, as drivers head toward the spot where pit limiter is to be engaged, and rear-ends Johnny. Close examination of the replay shows that Shark is having technical issues, in my replay from 158s to 217s Sharks car is "hung" in the right hander after the chicane so I cant verify Phils ghost problem but agree there is a problem. However, I have to agree with JohnnyDee, Phil appears to be going to fast and brakes to late to avoid rear ending Johnny. Even allowing for a ghosting car this incident should not have happened.


Server replay time: 290s

JohnnyDee misses his braking point into the 2nd chicane and rear ends Locutos who as a result veers into Dan Minton. Locutos goes through the gravel trap collecting a cut track warning, Dan Minton loses a place. Johnny does allow Dan to re-pass on the next lap, penalty reduced by 1.


Server replay time: 430s

Several incidents reported by JohnnyDee involving Shark. Shark has apologised for any problems he caused during the race in public forum, he was not aware he was lagging or he would have dropped.

Technical issue.

  • Racing incident


Server replay time: 1424s

Reported incidents at 1424 and 1444 by Popabawa and 1460 by Don. Complaints of intimidating flashing lights by Ruskus and Pero when lapping. I quote from rules on lights usage:

"Drivers may flash their headlights (either on-off during the day or off-on during the night) to warn other drivers of their presence. However, a driver being flashed shall not be obligated to let them pass".

Quite frankly Don and Pops I see nothing intimidating in the replay, the 2 lead racers are simply telling you they are there, and obviously it worked. Judging from past incidents where lapped drivers have failed to notice the blue flashing light on the dash warning of an impending car about to lap them, I think Ruskus and Pero are well within there rights.

  • Racing incident


Server replay time: 1472s

Bill Thomas locks his brakes and loses time into the turn. JohnnyDee states that Bill came back through the racing line on the exit of the turn forcing Johnny to back off and lose time. The replay shows Bill exited the turn slowly but DID NOT do anything untoward. Johnnys speed though the turn carries him naturally towards the point Bills car occupied and therefore Johnny would have to back off to avoid contact unless he expects other drivers to stop and let him by.

  • Racing incident


Server replay time: 1520s

Bill Thomas approaches the left turn after the S/F straight. He is slower than JohnnyDee who carries much more speed into the turn locking the front in doing so. Johnny states that Bill swung out at the last instant from the left lane onto the racing line. Do I have a different replay to everyone else? I see nothing wrong with Bills line or the way he moved to position himself for the turn. However, Bill should by now have been aware that he was being lapped and would have been better off staying on the left side of track taking a tighter and slower line through the turn allowining JohnnyDee to pass safely.

  • BillThomas (Bill)advice — Be aware of drivers lapping you, blue light flash on dash.

SimRacing.org.uk Lap Records
GT Legends
GTC-65
1:46.893
87.222mph
Jeffrey
Qualifying
AC Cobra 427June 22, 2006, 09:14:31 PM +0100
LLG
GT Legends
GTC-65
1:47.944
86.373mph
Jeffrey
Race
AC Cobra 427June 22, 2006, 09:14:31 PM +0100
LLG
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« Reply #30 on: June 22, 2006, 10:38:26 PM +0100 »

So, how is it once again cars were racing ahead and slamming on brakes on the formation lap??  I thought we were passed that.  <sigh>

I got tapped around at the end of the formation lap, just as I went for my rev limiter.  It's really VERY important to keep up with the guys in front of you so people don't get distracted trying to keep up.  <sigh>

Locutos, sorry for the doofy braking and tap on Lap 1; something crashed down in my apartment and I totally messed up that whole section.  Sorry!

Bill ... <sigh>

At least I finished higher than I started!!  Smiley

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« Reply #31 on: June 22, 2006, 10:38:37 PM +0100 »

The corner cutting code is just abysmal and really spoiling things from time to time.

It is a pity we can't at least simply turn it off like we could in GPL. Undecided
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« Reply #32 on: June 22, 2006, 10:45:59 PM +0100 »

So, how is it once again cars were racing ahead and slamming on brakes on the formation lap??  I thought we were passed that.  <sigh>

I got tapped around at the end of the formation lap, just as I went for my rev limiter.  It's really VERY important to keep up with the guys in front of you so people don't get distracted trying to keep up.  <sigh>

Make sure you report these things properly using the new form on the results page (once we get it up).
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« Reply #33 on: June 22, 2006, 10:55:47 PM +0100 »

Provisional Results now available  Smiley
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« Reply #34 on: June 22, 2006, 11:18:56 PM +0100 »

Thanks Picnic.

Good win by Pero in the Cobra (I'm not brave enough to take one in a race  Wink ), and good to see my team-m8 on the podium. Lots of points for Team Shark.  Grin
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« Reply #35 on: June 23, 2006, 01:01:36 AM +0100 »

(once we get it up).

lol....

Let us know when so I don't miss it and wait too long!

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« Reply #36 on: June 23, 2006, 01:05:12 AM +0100 »

BTW, in case someone is wondering why I slowed down after I left the grid, my position number went to 10 for some reason, then back to 11, then 10, then 11 -- but Minton (#10) was well ahead of me.  Another of those wonderful Blimey! features, I guess.  Sorry for any confusion.

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« Reply #37 on: June 23, 2006, 06:41:08 AM +0100 »

 :'( sigh another fine race missed  Sad , time to find some public servers I think.
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« Reply #38 on: June 23, 2006, 09:00:23 AM +0100 »

As suspected, I was miles off the pace but I had a great race with Don for nearly the whole race with only 1-2 sec between us the whole way.

The new starting procedure seemed to work well but the pace lap seemed pretty uneven from my point of view at the back of the pack. I think that's just one of those things though. After the limiters went on though, the start was very smooth so a thumbs up there from me.
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« Reply #39 on: June 23, 2006, 09:11:13 AM +0100 »

My first race in GTL for yonks and it showed.
Enjoyed it alot tho. Had a some great racing with Gizmo, Baz West, T Cooper, and M Coop.
Then slide off mid race at T1 and got a puncture. Had to go in the pits for new tyre and that put me a lap down.
Excellent fun tho.
BTW I was the 914 in front of you at the start Gizmo. I assumed I couldn't start racing until I had crossed the start line ala Nascar, also didn't have my limiter config to a wheel button so just went really slow instead behind the car in front until I had croosed the line.

Can't believe the times the leaders were doing, how is that possible! Sad Sad

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« Reply #40 on: June 23, 2006, 09:54:47 AM +0100 »

Mixed race for me totally screwed up by the stupid corner cutting code and stop n go penalty right at the end of the race.

Was very happy to qually 4th in the 914 with a 1:50, it was the first time i have driven it too which made it sweeter. Cool
Race started well, hats off to the pit limiter scheme, it worked very well up front. Cool
Kept position in 4th with a few seconds gap over a squabbling trio of elans behind me and Bernie Lomax's 914 a couple of secs in front. All well for about 7 laps, then wierdly the car just broke away from me in a corner where i had never had any dramas before and i dropped a couple of places. Tried charging down the guys in front but followed someone elses accident into turn 1 and had big off into gravel trap....lost 15 seconds and rejoined about 9th/10th. Stayed there the whole race closing to a 1-2 secs behind guy in front with 2 laps to go and seriously faded tyres.
Then cos i had the sheer audacity Roll Eyes of running slightly wide over the kerbs under braking i got a sodding stop n go penalty and had to pit. Did my penalty and the AI turned off the bastard pit limiter so i got an instant stop and go for speeding in pitlane ! Angry
It was the last lap of race so couldnt re-pit for penalty !  So despite crossing the line in a miserly 12th place, the game then seemed to drop me a few places in the results. cursing censored

Shame, felt like i had a good race taken away from me by the games faults. :'(  Yet again, you would think they (Simbin) would release a bloody patch to fix the game. Dont they listen to any customer feedback like most game-sim companies Huh
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« Reply #41 on: June 23, 2006, 02:17:35 PM +0100 »

Hmmm poor race for me after a formation lap incident that resulted in the car spinning every time i touched the brakes.
Formation lap observations, firstly, pole sitter PLEASE DO NOT ANNOUNCE WHEN YOU ARE APPLY YOUR LIMITER!!

The effect that this had at the rear of the grid was that instead of closing the pack up nearly everybody applied theirs straight away, therefore resulting in the same gaps being there at the rear and not any additional speed to close up  Huh

I think the system will work, but people must only apply the limiter WHEN they have caught the car infront.
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« Reply #42 on: June 23, 2006, 02:43:36 PM +0100 »

Hmmm poor race for me after a formation lap incident that resulted in the car spinning every time i touched the brakes.
Formation lap observations, firstly, pole sitter PLEASE DO NOT ANNOUNCE WHEN YOU ARE APPLY YOUR LIMITER!!

The effect that this had at the rear of the grid was that instead of closing the pack up nearly everybody applied theirs straight away, therefore resulting in the same gaps being there at the rear and not any additional speed to close up  Huh


That's not my fault people apply it too early, they should read the rules and apply it when they got close to the guy infront. I did it to prevent people from rearending others because they didn't know thet applied the limiter.
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« Reply #43 on: June 23, 2006, 02:46:41 PM +0100 »

Not but it's like shouting STOP at a line of people, nearly everyone will immediately irrespective of proximity to the next person
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« Reply #44 on: June 23, 2006, 02:58:09 PM +0100 »

That's not my fault people apply it too early, they should read the rules and apply it when they got close to the guy infront. I did it to prevent people from rearending others because they didn't know thet applied the limiter.

Not to put too fine a point on it, you asked me the rules just before the race started! Tongue

Sometimes I don't know why I bother. Roll Eyes taz Hit with a wet fish surrender lol
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