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  • UKGTL - Zolder: June 22, 2006
June 22, 2006, 09:14:31 PM +0100 - Zolder (2002-2008) - UKGTL Ladder GTC-65
Driver
 Team		 Nat. Make Model Class Qualifying Race
Tyres Pos Time/Gap Pos Time/Gap Laps Stops Best Retirement
reason
Ballast
Pero_Grozni
 RS Motorsport		 AC Cobra 427 (#859) GTC-65 2 +0.166
87.087mph		 1 37:45.023
82.325mph		 20 1:48.027
86.306mph
Dunlop  
Jeffrey
 Team Shark		 AC Cobra 427 (#859) GTC-65 1 1:46.893
87.222mph		 2 +14.962
81.785mph		 20 1:47.944
86.373mph
Dunlop  
Aagramn
 Team Shark		 Porsche 914-6 (#370) GTC-TC-76 3 +3.414
84.522mph		 3 +52.980
80.443mph		 20 1:50.547
84.339mph
Dunlop  
pribeiro
 Ghostspeed		 Lotus Elan 26R (#623) GTC-65 7 +4.270
83.872mph		 4 +1:03.060
80.095mph		 20 1:51.529
83.596mph
Dunlop  
ASSASSINO
 Ghostspeed		 Lotus Elan 26R (#610) GTC-65 5 +4.031
84.052mph		 5 +1:19.987
79.517mph		 20 1:51.547
83.583mph
Dunlop  
Dan Minton
 Team RVS		 Lotus Elan 26R (#620) GTC-65 10 +4.859
83.429mph		 6 +1:28.616
79.225mph		 20 1:51.631
83.520mph
Dunlop  
Bernie Lomax
 Ze Penguin Brotherhood		 Porsche 914-6 (#370) GTC-TC-76 8 +4.317
83.836mph		 7 +1:29.395
79.199mph		 20 1:50.867
84.095mph
Dunlop  
locutos ukgtr
 28CD Motorsports		 AC Cobra 427 (#859) GTC-65 9 +4.442
83.742mph		 8 +1:43.368
78.732mph		 20 1:51.752
83.429mph
Dunlop  
JohnnyDee
 Ghostspeed		 Lotus Elan 26R (#652) GTC-65 11 +5.432
83.004mph		 9 (+1) +1:52.879
78.417mph		 20 1:52.558
82.832mph
Dunlop  
Oilseal
 Team Oldie Racing		 Porsche 914-6 (#370) GTC-TC-76 14 +6.984
81.873mph		 10 +1L
77.113mph		 19 1:53.720
81.986mph
Dunlop  
LeH
 		 Lotus Elan 26R (#623) GTC-65 6 +4.225
83.905mph		 11 +9.920
76.781mph		 19 1:50.739
84.193mph
Dunlop  
Baz
 		 Lotus Elan 26R (#602) GTC-65 15 +7.358
81.605mph		 12 +17.442
76.532mph		 19 1:54.663
81.311mph
Dunlop  
Don
 Legends Racing		 Lotus Elan 26R (#620) GTC-65 18 +8.538
80.770mph		 13 +19.049
76.479mph		 19 1:55.122
80.987mph
Dunlop  
TinMan
 Team Oldie Racing		 TVR Griffith 400 (#857) GTC-65 16 +7.488
81.512mph		 14 +20.454
76.432mph		 19 1:54.243
81.610mph
Dunlop  
popabawa
 Legends Racing		 Lotus Elan 26R (#623) GTC-65 17 +8.103
81.076mph		 15 +22.401
76.368mph		 19 1:55.255
80.894mph
Dunlop  
OSiriS
 		 Porsche 914-6 (#370) GTC-TC-76 13 +5.930
82.638mph		 16 (+2) +36.913
75.893mph		 19 1:54.032
81.761mph
Dunlop  
Dave 'Gizmo' Gymer
 Team Shark		 TVR Griffith 400 (#879) GTC-65 20 +9.373
80.190mph		 17 +40.666
75.772mph		 19 1:55.790
80.520mph
Dunlop  
Mark J
 Legends Racing		 Porsche 914-6 (#370) GTC-TC-76 4 +3.683
84.317mph		 18 +1:05.581
74.973mph		 19 1:51.240
83.813mph
Dunlop  
Andy Charman
 Kerb Crawlers		 Porsche 914-6 (#370) GTC-TC-76 19 +8.829
80.567mph		 19 +2L
72.900mph		 18 1:54.487
81.436mph
Dunlop  
BillThomas
 		 Porsche 914-6 (#370) GTC-TC-76 21 +9.906
79.824mph		 20 +12.851
72.496mph		 18 1:58.627
78.594mph
Dunlop  
Simon Gymer
 Team Shark		 Lotus Elan 26R (#602) GTC-65 12 +5.544
82.921mph		 21 +5L 15 1:52.655
82.761mph		 unknown
Dunlop  
longskater1969
 28CD Motorsports		 Shelby Daytona Coupe (#856) GTC-65 22 +17L 3 2:02.896
75.864mph		 unknown
Dunlop  
Jamera
 28CD Motorsports		 Porsche 914-6 (#370) GTC-TC-76 22 +12.753
77.925mph		 23 +18L 2 3:34.716
43.422mph		 unknown
Dunlop  

Moderator's Report

Server replay time: 192s

Incident involving Phil Kerins, JohnnyDee and Shark. Phil states hes having problems with Sharks ghosting car and tags the back of him. JohnnyDee reports that Phil is coming to fast down the straight, as drivers head toward the spot where pit limiter is to be engaged, and rear-ends Johnny. Close examination of the replay shows that Shark is having technical issues, in my replay from 158s to 217s Sharks car is "hung" in the right hander after the chicane so I cant verify Phils ghost problem but agree there is a problem. However, I have to agree with JohnnyDee, Phil appears to be going to fast and brakes to late to avoid rear ending Johnny. Even allowing for a ghosting car this incident should not have happened.

Server replay time: 290s

JohnnyDee misses his braking point into the 2nd chicane and rear ends Locutos who as a result veers into Dan Minton. Locutos goes through the gravel trap collecting a cut track warning, Dan Minton loses a place. Johnny does allow Dan to re-pass on the next lap, penalty reduced by 1.

Server replay time: 430s

Several incidents reported by JohnnyDee involving Shark. Shark has apologised for any problems he caused during the race in public forum, he was not aware he was lagging or he would have dropped.

Technical issue.

  • Racing incident

Server replay time: 1424s

Reported incidents at 1424 and 1444 by Popabawa and 1460 by Don. Complaints of intimidating flashing lights by Ruskus and Pero when lapping. I quote from rules on lights usage:

"Drivers may flash their headlights (either on-off during the day or off-on during the night) to warn other drivers of their presence. However, a driver being flashed shall not be obligated to let them pass".

Quite frankly Don and Pops I see nothing intimidating in the replay, the 2 lead racers are simply telling you they are there, and obviously it worked. Judging from past incidents where lapped drivers have failed to notice the blue flashing light on the dash warning of an impending car about to lap them, I think Ruskus and Pero are well within there rights.

  • Racing incident

Server replay time: 1472s

Bill Thomas locks his brakes and loses time into the turn. JohnnyDee states that Bill came back through the racing line on the exit of the turn forcing Johnny to back off and lose time. The replay shows Bill exited the turn slowly but DID NOT do anything untoward. Johnnys speed though the turn carries him naturally towards the point Bills car occupied and therefore Johnny would have to back off to avoid contact unless he expects other drivers to stop and let him by.

  • Racing incident

Server replay time: 1520s

Bill Thomas approaches the left turn after the S/F straight. He is slower than JohnnyDee who carries much more speed into the turn locking the front in doing so. Johnny states that Bill swung out at the last instant from the left lane onto the racing line. Do I have a different replay to everyone else? I see nothing wrong with Bills line or the way he moved to position himself for the turn. However, Bill should by now have been aware that he was being lapped and would have been better off staying on the left side of track taking a tighter and slower line through the turn allowining JohnnyDee to pass safely.

  • BillThomas (Bill) — advice — Be aware of drivers lapping you, blue light flash on dash.

SimRacing.org.uk Lap Records
GT Legends
GTC-65		1:46.893
87.222mph		Jeffrey
Qualifying		 AC Cobra 427June 22, 2006, 09:14:31 PM +0100
LLG
GT Legends
GTC-65		1:47.944
86.373mph		Jeffrey
Race		 AC Cobra 427June 22, 2006, 09:14:31 PM +0100
LLG
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« Reply #45 on: June 23, 2006, 03:05:34 PM +0100 »
Is there a results file yet so I can make a lapchart?
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« Reply #46 on: June 23, 2006, 03:07:40 PM +0100 »
Yup, I asked when the limiter should be applied. But some people might not look in chat, or have in car chat off. Plus the fact that there were many new guys, so it doesn't hurt to tell when the limiter is on. That I said limiter on was NOT the reason for large gaps in the field, that has been a fact ever since the rolling starts.

Oh well, there are always people trying to find a excuse for losing.
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« Reply #47 on: June 23, 2006, 03:08:25 PM +0100 »
https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=1689.msg26485#msg26485 is your friend I believe  Wink
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« Reply #48 on: June 23, 2006, 03:14:03 PM +0100 »
Quote from: picnic on June 23, 2006, 03:08:25 PM +0100
https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=1689.msg26485#msg26485 is your friend I believe  Wink

Oh cheers, I missed that one, thought it was only the replay Kiss
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« Reply #49 on: June 23, 2006, 03:18:13 PM +0100 »
UNOFFICIAL LAPCHART

Aagramn - fixed link.
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« Reply #50 on: June 23, 2006, 03:18:34 PM +0100 »
Thanks Ruskus.
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« Reply #51 on: June 23, 2006, 03:19:36 PM +0100 »
Quote from: Aagramn on June 23, 2006, 03:18:34 PM +0100
Thanks Ruskus.

For what??? When you replied the lapchart wasn't working yet Grin
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« Reply #52 on: June 23, 2006, 03:20:12 PM +0100 »
I have faith.  Wink
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« Reply #53 on: June 23, 2006, 03:20:39 PM +0100 »
I thought the pit-limiter reminder was a good idea personally. Everybody further down should know that they dont need to activate it until the designated corner. Its a good idea that the pole sitter notifies everyone to avoid people being rear-ended.

As it showed on the 3-2-1 countdown when someone shot past me rather than cruising for the formation lap, it proves not everybody reads the rules  Roll Eyes

I thought the start worked very well under the 'limiter' rules.
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« Reply #54 on: June 23, 2006, 03:28:17 PM +0100 »
Quote from: Mark Jonzo on June 23, 2006, 03:20:39 PM +0100
I thought the pit-limiter reminder was a good idea personally. Everybody further down should know that they dont need to activate it until the designated corner. Its a good idea that the pole sitter notifies everyone to avoid people being rear-ended.

I thought the same.

It's a shame GTL doesn't have a warmup session so we could remind people of the start procedure.
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« Reply #55 on: June 23, 2006, 03:47:54 PM +0100 »
As my car was doing funny things so didn't really get to assess it properly from my mid-field starting position, one thing that might be an issue is...

Did all the guys at the back get their limiter on before Ruskus had crossed the line? I think the whole field needs to be on the limiter before anyone crosses the line, which means we might want to bring the limiter on earlier than the last corner in future to make sure the whole field has had time to get near the guy in front and stick his limiter on.

We don't want people getting into a mad scramble to get near the guy in front to get the limiter on only to find the field ahead is already going going going cause the leader has started. Everyone needs a few moments of calm under the limiter before the start gets underway.
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« Reply #56 on: June 23, 2006, 03:52:51 PM +0100 »
I put the limiter on half way down the back straight. I thought that would have been early enough, but next time (if I get pole ever again), I'll put it down earlier. From my point of view I saw the grid close together so I thought it went well, but further down the grid it was a problem.

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« Reply #57 on: June 23, 2006, 04:01:21 PM +0100 »
Quote from: Ruskus on June 23, 2006, 03:07:40 PM +0100

Oh well, there are always people trying to find a excuse for losing.

That's what I enjoy most about the community these days, such constructive comments when we're having a serious discussion
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I put the limiter on half way down the back straight. I thought that would have been early enough, but next time (if I get pole ever again), I'll put it down earlier. From my point of view I saw the grid close together so I thought it went well, but further down the grid it was a problem.

I'm not saying that's necessary as I couldn't tell with my ghosting car what was going on. Just a thought that the guys at the back should have a few moments on the limiter to settle down before getting going. If it was ok then that's great. The bigger the field the earlier it needs to come on I guess.
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« Reply #59 on: June 23, 2006, 04:37:58 PM +0100 »
Quote from: Ruskus on June 23, 2006, 03:52:51 PM +0100
I put the limiter on half way down the back straight. I thought that would have been early enough, but next time (if I get pole ever again), I'll put it down earlier. From my point of view I saw the grid close together so I thought it went well, but further down the grid it was a problem.

I was right near the back and other than a bit of dithering ahead there was plenty of time for me to form up.
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