UKGTL Season 20 Fun Races - Zeltweg - May 25

[Dimitar Dulichki]

I thought it means "insolent" 

I'm glad we've reached an agreement now 

[EvilClive]

Grats to the podium and all those who mastered these cars. I was unaware that there were any differences between the cars, but that is hardly surprising because I only selected my car a day or so before the event when I downloaded the car set and skins etc. I have come across this before in GTL and it always surprises me, maybe I should spend more time scrolling through the car options to check for differences? But as I do very little prep for these races anyway that is unlikely to happen lol.

It transpires ( only from looking at the results rable this morning!!) that I actually had one of the "faster" cars with a 3.0ltr engine...….I wish someone had told my brain ( and my car!! ) that I should be posting quicker lap times??
I would be interested to know ( or even see some setups ) about how you guys set up your cars.

During the pre-race practice and qualifying I was trying everything I knew to make the car turn in. The diff settings were tried at either end of the spectrum ( and in between! ), dampers were set soft and hard and switched front to back etc. Eventually I softened the front springs and stiffened the rear, and raised the rear end 3 clicks in an attempt to generate some grip on the front. 
Things were very slightly improved but I must apologise for anyone who was following me in the race and was caught out by my early braking and slow corner entry, but I was at the limit of what the car would do. Any attempt to carry a few extra KPH into a corner inevitably involved a close encounter with the barriers!! By the end of the race, despite my pace which was at least 5 secs down on most cars, I had trashed the front tyres yet still had an almost unblemished set of rears??  I did not have the extra setup page loaded for these cars, but frankly I doubt that it would have helped me??
TBH I almost quit the race at around 50% as I was so frustrated with a car that I could not use, or race with, but I used it as a convalescent/training exercise for my sore shoulder.

[Hristo Itchov]

OK, so perhaps there are just 2 type of cars after all, though I'm still not 100% sure.

Manfred managed a 52.0 in qualifying in the heavier, more powerful model. I could only do a mid 54 or something. I managed to go down to 53.5 in the race. I still don't see how I can be losing 1.5 seconds on such a track. Watching him drive during qualifying, his car seemed to be planted and he could accelerate fast without getting the dreadful understeer I and others were having, plus he could brake so late without locking his tyres or his car sliding wide uncontrollably. Geoffers seems to have found the key to that too, as he was into the 52s as well. I would understand if the car had many settings with lots of steps between min and max, but that's just no the case...

Someone mentioned the gearing makes a big difference, but I tried so many different ratios and was still way off the pace. It's a mystery to me and it's not like I have suddenly forgotten how to drive.

Initially I enjoyed driving the car, but now after the race, I just hate it. Once you lose it a bit, it just keeps on sliding endlessly.

Anyway, had good first few laps, moving up to 4th, gradually catching Daz, then I was suddenly 3rd when Manfred dropped back. I was just thinking that perhaps I can get second, when I went off, car probably got damaged, became even worse to drive, which then led to more offs and mistakes later on. At least Nappe was there to challenge me and we had some nice battles, even exchanging positions a few times. Would have been very difficult to do all the laps if I had  to drive alone with such ill-handling car.

Congrats to Geoffers for a flawless race, to Manfred for a great recovery up to 2nd and to Daz for 3rd. The latter two seemed to be having a great fight for 2nd at the end of the race.

[SpecialKS]

Seeing Kurt post a 1:52.999 time as his best,

I think Kurt was reporting a time he had witnessed, but will be delighted if Kurt shouts me down on this.

Exactly - not my own time of course -  

Far more fun than expected   although finishing in last place.
Big mistake during lap one let me go down to last. Later I missed the right gear twice
(my h-shifter is fitted with 7 gears and I chose the wrong one   - resulting in one spin and once missing
propulsion which prevented the passing of Matt).
Later I had a nice drive with Dan (I could ever feel his breath and he generously let me pass very often)
and Mike at the back of the field with lot of mistakes but I enjoyed it.  

& BTW: thxs DAZ for your setup I found online  Without that I would have been even worse 

[Nappe1]

At least Nappe was there to challenge me and we had some nice battles, even exchanging positions a few times. Would have been very difficult to do all the laps if I had  to drive alone with such ill-handling car.

This was my first ever race with the RSR.  I have not been a big fan of Powerfull GTC-76 machinery and to be honest, it was my wife who persuaded me to sign in for the race. (according to her, racing has positive effect to my happiness.)

I did do some laps in Sunday to see if I was even able to stay on track and all of them with the exact same car. For the setup I upped gear ratios longer so that I would not be able to hit limiter on fifth gear and reducing possibility of oversteer on full throttle.

Before qualify, I had no clue how I would do. As I had no experience whatsoever how the car behaves with full tank, I did my qualifying with 65 liters in tank and was really happy already to make my PB. However I still thought that I was too careful by breaking very early and downshifting safely late. However that probably was the thing in race keeping me steady speed. Having few great battles with Hristo I sort of accidentally took over a second off from my PB. Most of the time Hristo was faster, but there was few spots where I could get close. One of the being final corner and few times I was able to overtake him for a moment to final straight. Unfortunately I made my only mistake in last lap which caused Hristo get further away and I was not able to challenge him in final straight. Nevertheless, good battles.

Overall all, very enjoyable race with excellent result. Thank you guys.
And oh, It did have positive effect to my happiness.

[seniordan]

@Lasse. I think it was your wife's sweet way of telling you it was time you started saving a whole loooooooot a money to buy her a 911 for her birthday!

@Kurt, we sure had great fun racing together and within our league we did some pretty fast laps too. Look at your fastest lap.

[Geoffers]

Really was not expecting to do very well in these, I have rarely driven them before in all my years of GTL, not being a fan of Porkas & their lift-off oversteer traits. However, on this track at least, it seemed that it was not oversteer but chronic understeer that was the problem. Tried all sorts of setup changes in testing to try to induce some oversteer with little effect, but on the night the car felt different & there was a modicum of oversteer present. Also I think the key to a good lap is not to rush into the corners too fast, but to brake earlier than you think necessary, get the front gripping & then power through the turns.

Manfred was in a class of his own in qually & after I had messed up my entry into Sebring he took the lead & proceeded to pull away. Had Daz close behind for the opening laps & when I started to ease away from him I had already mentally decided that there was no point in trying to push harder & risk a big error as there was no way I would catch Manfred. Then suddenly there was Manfred in amongst the spectators at Sebring & I was in the lead. Continued to tenth by tenth ease away from Daz & apart from one grassy excursion exiting T1 & a scary moment when Kurt emerged from the trees in front of me, had a comfy run to the flag.

Congrats to Manfred, excellent recovery drive, & Daz.  

[Paddler]

It was a nice race. Many thanks to everyone for their fair behavior. At the beginning of the race I caught the wrong gear when braking Sebring and ended up behind the guardrail. The chase was a lot of fun. I noticed that most of the others did not know the 911 and of course i had an (unfair) advantage. I love the 911 and have done many laps with it.
I don't know many of your cars for that. I'm looking forward to the next race.

Congrats to Geoffers & Daz.


Greetings Manfred  

(translated from German with Google Translator)

[SpecialKS]

... & a scary moment when Kurt emerged from the trees in front of me, ...

 

[Wiltshire Tony]

It was a nice race. Many thanks to everyone for their fair behavior. At the beginning of the race I caught the wrong gear when braking Sebring and ended up behind the guardrail. The chase was a lot of fun. I noticed that most of the others did not know the 911 and of course had an (unfair) advantage. I love the 911 and have done many laps with it.
I don't know many of your cars for that. I'm looking forward to the next race.

Congrats to Geoffers & Daz.


Greetings Manfred  

(translated from German with Google Translator)

Great to have you with us Manfred 

PS Bet your going to be asked to share your setup tho..........

[SpecialKS]

Result

[Wiltshire Tony]

Result

Thanks Kurt 

[phspok]

I just had a go with the wide and the narrow, and I was about the same in either.
I don't know if there is any actual difference other than in my head... but the narrow needed
a lot of setup time before I could drive it, and didn't seem particularly faster on the straights

[nocatu]

That's my impression as well Matt, no difference, the wider car feels more stable which seems logical since it's got a wider posterior (ahem) even though I'm not entirely sure it's factored in the physics. The extra power of the wider car is not that significant as it is heavier.

With regard to the race it was fun but I made way too many mistakes. I missed a gear at the start and almost everyone went flying by. tried to catch the ones in front but throughout the race the car would be really strange in downshifting. In hindsight my ratios might have been too short so the rears were locking up. Every time I downshifted the gear would not engage, even though the gear indicator said otherwise; sometimes it would take a full second for the downshift to take place and that lead to some interesting excursions. Had some great fun along the way though and that's all that matters!  

[Wiltshire Tony]

I am hoping to compile a list of driver's favourite tracks. The twelve most popular are highly likely to appear in a future series.

It would help me enormously if you could take 5 mins to list your most favourite circuits.

Please reply here https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=19941.msg364281#msg364281

Thanks to everyone who has already posted their list  

PS This thread ends on 31st May 2020.