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  • UKGTL Ladder: 65 @ Dono Nat'l: July 06, 2006
July 06, 2006, 09:09:02 PM +0100 - Donington Park (National) - UKGTL Ladder TC-65
Driver
 Team
Nat. Make Model Class Qualifying Race
Tyres Pos Time/Gap Pos Time/Gap Laps Stops Best Retirement
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Jeffrey
 Team Shark
Ford Falcon (#825) TC-65 D2 1 1:22.875
86.031mph
1 38:51.553
82.565mph
27 1:23.167
85.729mph
Dunlop  
LeH
 
Alfa Romeo GTA (#958) TC-65 D2 3 +0.452
85.564mph
2 +0.492
82.548mph
27 1:23.211
85.683mph
Dunlop  
Simon Gymer
 Team Shark
Alfa Romeo GTA (#200100) TC-65 D2 6 +1.497
84.504mph
3 +35.395
81.330mph
27 1:24.065
84.813mph
Dunlop  
Madd-RIP
 
Lotus Cortina (#121206) TC-65 D2 7 +1.651
84.350mph
4 +35.658
81.321mph
27 1:24.416
84.460mph
Dunlop  
pribeiro
 Ghostspeed
Lotus Cortina (#924) TC-65 D2 12 +2.506
83.506mph
5 +37.606
81.254mph
27 1:24.598
84.279mph
Dunlop  
ASSASSINO
 Ghostspeed
Alfa Romeo GTA (#922) TC-65 D2 9 +1.998
84.006mph
6 +42.578
81.084mph
27 1:24.190
84.687mph
Dunlop  
JohnnyDee
 Ghostspeed
Alfa Romeo GTA (#922) TC-65 D2 11 +2.314
83.694mph
7 +44.361
81.023mph
27 1:24.677
84.200mph
Dunlop  
Dave 'Gizmo' Gymer
 Team Shark
Alfa Romeo GTA (#200100) TC-65 D2 8 +1.962
84.041mph
8 +49.330
80.854mph
27 1:25.011
83.869mph
Dunlop  
locutos ukgtr
 28CD Motorsports
Alfa Romeo GTA (#956) TC-65 D2 4 +1.235
84.768mph
9 +1:00.187
80.487mph
27 1:24.558
84.319mph
Dunlop  
greg130
 28CD Motorsports
Alfa Romeo GTA (#956) TC-65 D2 15 +2.756
83.262mph
10 +1:00.697
80.470mph
27 1:24.645
84.232mph
Dunlop  
Don
 Legends Racing
Ford Mustang (#897) TC-65 D2 13 +2.573
83.440mph
11 +1:15.549
79.974mph
27 1:25.676
83.218mph
Dunlop  
TinMan
 Team Oldie Racing
Lotus Cortina (#911) TC-65 D2 17 +3.077
82.951mph
12 +1:27.144
79.590mph
27 1:25.809
83.089mph
Dunlop  
Baz
 
Lotus Cortina (#913) TC-65 D2 16 +2.814
83.206mph
13 +1L
78.975mph
26 1:26.043
82.863mph
Dunlop  
OSiriS
 
Alfa Romeo GTA (#958) TC-65 D2 18 +3.269
82.766mph
14 +12.254
78.565mph
26 1:26.784
82.156mph
Dunlop  
Jamera
 28CD Motorsports
Alfa Romeo GTA (#922) TC-65 D2 22 +5.867
80.343mph
15 +27.999
78.044mph
26 1:27.144
81.816mph
Dunlop  
Rich_A
 CBFR
Lotus Elite (#171) GTC-65 20 +4.741
81.376mph
16 +30.215
77.971mph
26 1:27.438
81.541mph
Dunlop  
Oilseal
 Team Oldie Racing
Lotus Cortina (#955) TC-65 D2 19 +4.128
81.949mph
17 +1:01.055
76.973mph
26 1:27.666
81.329mph
Dunlop  
Pero_Grozni
 RS Motorsport
Ford Falcon (#872) TC-65 D2 2 +0.028
86.002mph
18 +2L 25 1:23.136
85.761mph
unknown
Dunlop  
Aagramn
 Team Shark
Alfa Romeo GTA (#200100) TC-65 D2 10 +2.092
83.913mph
19 +3L 24 1:25.432
83.456mph
unknown
Dunlop  
Dan Minton
 Team RVS
Alfa Romeo GTA (#217200) TC-65 D2 5 +1.475
84.526mph
20 +10L 17 1:24.027
84.851mph
unknown
Dunlop  
BillThomas
 
Alfa Romeo GTA (#922) TC-65 D2 21 +5.079
81.063mph
21 +11L 16 1:29.172
79.956mph
unknown
Dunlop  
whitham69
 Team Shark
Lotus Cortina (#924) TC-65 D2 14 +2.624
83.390mph
22 +17L 10 1:26.152
82.758mph
unknown
Dunlop  

Moderator's Report

Assassino twice used his headlights when behind drivers he was racing for position (320 and 454s), this was a daylight race and he was not lapping the car in front. Use of lights in this manner is unnecessary and contrary to race rules.

  • ASSASSINO ([GS]ASSASSINO)warning — Unnecessary use of headlights
    For advice only - unreported by victim, so penalty disregarded


There were some comments made using in-game chat before the race had ended, and then some foul language used after the end of the race.

Drivers are reminded that only pit in/out messages are permitted whilst qualifying and racing are underway, any other use of chat is forbidden, and that inflamatory or offensive chat messages are unacceptable within SimRacing.org.uk.


Server replay time: 0

Aagramn runs wide at Schwantz Curve, has no control over the car as it rejoins the circuit and heaviliy impacts Baz West forcicing Baz Off. Aagramn has apologised for the incident and retired from the race. In my opinion, Aagramn was not trying to make a pass and had little or no control over the car once it had left the track. The resulting impact was unavoidable.

  • Racing incident


Server replay time: 40s

JohnnyDee jumps the rolling start procedure catching the rear of Assassinos car in the process. Assassino has requested no penalty be given. 2 place penalty mitigated to a warning.


Server replay time: 1629s

Bill Thomas swerves to avoid the disco'd car of Dan Minton, his car leaves the track and impacts the barrier. The damage is sufficeint to force Bill to retire. Locutos had a the same problem seconds earlier but was mor fortunate and managed to limp home.

Dan has apologised but he was disconnected from game.

No blame apportioned - technical fault

  • Racing incident


Server replay time: 2325s

Assassino, Shark and Madd-RIP enter Redgate in the order stated. Assassino has the inside line with Shark on his left rear bumper. Assassino appears to move ahead when Shark kisses his rear bumper sending him into a spin. The replay clearly shows Assassino moving ahead through the corner and with Shark already off the throttle he would logically not have expected to close on Assassino. There is no contact noise and Shark was unaware they had touched. Madd touches Sharks right rear almost at the same time sending Shark wide, Madd slows to allow Shark to re-pass.

  • Racing incident

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« Reply #30 on: July 06, 2006, 09:34:56 PM +0100 »

Im not sure why I bother with this game... hope you all had a good race.
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« Reply #31 on: July 06, 2006, 09:58:10 PM +0100 »

I was not at all impressed by the chat at the end of the race, both before it finished, and after. The use of foul language is unacceptable and if you're unhappy about driving standards, tell a moderator, do not attempt to vent your feelings whilst you're still seeing red.

Confucious say, "He who hit man who still wear helmet bloody only own fists".
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« Reply #32 on: July 06, 2006, 10:00:59 PM +0100 »

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« Reply #33 on: July 06, 2006, 10:01:28 PM +0100 »

I was happy with my World Record in qually (duh Smiley). Was 1/10th faster than previous times. Again Peter very close behind, followed by LeH very close as well (witn manual clutch thumbup2).

Race started normal as far as I could see. Peter and I were following eachother around, same as last time, but this time we had LeH behind us the whole time. The gap between the two of us and him was increasing slowly in the beginning of the race, but not by much.
I was having a hard time trying to defend my line against Peter, I was looking behind to see if he was alongside as much as I could, just for safety, but there is always a blind spot.
In the end I was struggling like mad with my rubber, they were completely worn to the canvas, so Peter was way faster behind me. With some luck I was able to hold him off. The downside was, was that LeH was gaining fast! But because it was for position, and in different teams, I wasn;t just gonna let my 1st place go.

The last lap was fun, as LeH was trying to count the scratches on my rearbumper. But the long back straight was enough for me to take it easy in the chicane, and the acceleration was sufficiant to pull away and take 1st.

Donny always gives good races for me, brilliant track.
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« Reply #34 on: July 06, 2006, 10:04:37 PM +0100 »

Sorry for my mixup at the start, d'oh! Embarrassed Stupid disconnect in qual after I got a new PB.  This game really knows how to throw us off our center!!

After that the start and race went really well, plus I got my PB time back in the race, woohoo!  Had a great 3-way battle going on in front of me for many laps at the beginning, some great dicing and place changes.  ASSASSINO took off once he got past, but the fighting let PR catch me and he got by on the s/f straight.  After that I had a very consistent race, never lost any spots but gained only by others' errors or lag problems.  Hate that.  Much fun, though!

Not sure yet what all was going on in the rest of the race but it seems several folks got a little excited.  There were also a bunch of disconnects and lagging cars which reallly throws a race.

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« Reply #35 on: July 06, 2006, 10:06:26 PM +0100 »

Really enjoyed that! Had a kind of 3 way battle with Greg, Aagramn and myself, I made small mistake and they both slipped passed. Spent the rest of the race watching them battle it out in front and trying to track them down again. Aagramn slipped off round about the Craner Curves with only a few laps to go and did a really fine thing reversed it off the racing line Kudos for that.

The Mustang was great to drive round here, great top speed and only a few corners that it really suffered, enjoyed it all Wink
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« Reply #36 on: July 06, 2006, 10:11:23 PM +0100 »

I had a very quiet race, but definately more successful than my previous 2 attempts Grin The first 5 laps were a bit hairy, I had race tested my setup which had a comfortable tuoch of understeer, but when this race started I found it oversteering slightly which nearly made me cut the final chicane a couple times before I got used to it. I managed to keep up a steady pace until the 3 leaders came to lap me. I slowed to let the 1st two by. A lap later Leh wasn't close enough for me to do this without risking acres of time to the guys behind me so I figured I'd brake wide into the next corner and let him through on the inside, but I think he underestimated how early I tend to brake and ran me up the rear. Hope I didn't damage anything on him.
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« Reply #37 on: July 06, 2006, 10:23:12 PM +0100 »

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« Reply #38 on: July 06, 2006, 10:25:17 PM +0100 »

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« Reply #39 on: July 06, 2006, 10:33:40 PM +0100 »

Had a really good race with Locutus, Assassino and Shark, I could just about keep with them ,for most of the race but couldn't really make  much of an impression on them most of the time, I only got past Locutus after an age of trying!
Bad luck Minton with your disco, oh and the skinned cars all looked real nice.  Grin
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« Reply #40 on: July 06, 2006, 10:40:08 PM +0100 »

Well I had a great race dicing with Toms Cortina, couldn't match my pb in practice so about 13/14th Tom got by early on then I realised its not a sunday drive. Hounded him for a few laps and managed to creep by, this fighting slowed us up and we lost touch with the group infront.  I managed to keep a few seconds between us and kept station with an Alfa infront, then about 4 from the end picked up a place as I passed the  recovering Alfa of MichaelB76 we had a hell of a ding dong for the next few laps swapped places twice then he lost it on the grass going into (Mcleans I think) and I was eaten alive by a Shark, my car afterwards looked more like the evil eye of a great white with its headlight side ways  Embarrassed  Pity realy as I gifted Tom the place and lost 2 but great fun.  Grin  Just more care needed. Well worth a look at 2234 seconds.


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« Reply #41 on: July 06, 2006, 10:44:07 PM +0100 »

Mixed race for me. Ran a bit wide early on the first lap, lost one place then another as I lost momentum leaving the first car room. Don blasted past in his Mustang down the straight, and I lost some momentum following him through the final chicane, costing me another place. 10th to 14th on the first lap. No complaints, all good clean racing. Had a good scrap with Don until he ran a bit wide. Then I had a brilliant scrap with Greg over several laps. Lots of close racing, and we swapped places a couple times. Had one scarey moment coming towards the final chicane with Greg on the inside of me. Found a car stopped in the braking zone, and had to move over to the right. Fortunately he backed out of the move and we got through safely. Greg eventually got past me and started to pull away. My race went downhill from there.

Lost concentration late on and spun at the Craner Curves. Managed to find reverse in time and get off the track (I'd had some practise, did exactly the same thing in qualifying). Was having a good fight with Baz for 14th, when I got my line wrong and stuck a couple wheels on the grass. Couldn't get the car stopped and ploughed into the side of him.  Sad Sorry about that Baz, ruined what would have been a very enjoyable race for me.
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« Reply #42 on: July 06, 2006, 11:01:54 PM +0100 »

Provisional results now up.

https://www.simracing.org.uk/index.php?ind=lm2&event=169
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« Reply #43 on: July 06, 2006, 11:27:41 PM +0100 »

Funny old race that, qualified 8th which is very high for me, in the V1 Team Shark Alfa. After having  to wibble my way JohhnyDee who forgot (again?! Tongue) about the rolling start, once again the limiter came off almost exactly on the s/f line (I'm still not sure that isn't partly psychological!) and I got stuck into the back of a good scrap between about 4 drivers.

Eventually I ran wide at Coppice and dropped a few places whilst I paddled back out of the kitty litter, took me more laps than I care to remember to get properly back in the groove and pull away from Don's Mustank which lurked menacingly behind. For most of the rest of the race it really looked like I could catch JohnnyDee before the end but with about 3 or 4 laps to go my tyres really went off and that was that.

Normally I'd be chuffed with 8th but having started there, and knowing that I might've been as high as 4th without my little off road excursion I feel a twinge of disappointment. Undecided

Dunno what happened with the disco'd car (was it Dan Minton?) but that certainly helped me make back quite a few places!
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« Reply #44 on: July 06, 2006, 11:35:07 PM +0100 »


I'm very surprised to see that the Alfa gets alot more points. I picked the Falcon because it's a more difficult car to drive, but fun none the less. The Alfa is much quicker in 80% of the tracks. Only Monza is clearly more muscle biased. There is no reason to take the Falcon anymore, it's much easier to go quick and consistent in the Alfa, and it gets alot more points per finish. I think the Falcon and Alfa are equal (in both the Falcon as the Alfa I did 1:22.8 at Donny), and the Mustang is worse than the Falcon/Alfa.
Just my opinion. And I know you are still tweaking the pointsystem, that's why I say this.
Not critic, just my insight on it. Kiss
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