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April 05, 2020, 09:37:15 PM +0100 - Grenzlandring (1948-52) - UKGPL Season 36 (2020) 1955 GP
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Nat. Make Model Class Qualifying Race
Tyres Pos Time/Gap Pos Time/Gap Laps Stops Best Retirement
reason
Ballast
GregT
 Team Baarf
Mercedes W196 SL F1 1955 1 2:03.985
162.523mph
1 44:04.738
160.000mph
21 2:04.864
161.379mph
Continental  
Dulima
 
Mercedes W196 SL F1 1955 6 +1.559
160.505mph
2 +34.273
157.953mph
21 2:05.742
160.252mph
Continental  
Cookie
 Antipasti Racing
Lancia D50 F1 1955 7 +2.044
159.887mph
3 +34.447
157.943mph
21 2:05.413
160.672mph
Pirelli  
bagrupp
 Team Groundhog
Lancia D50 F1 1955 10 +2.916
158.788mph
4 +1:26.165
154.952mph
21 2:07.758
157.723mph
Pirelli  
fpolicardi
 Team7
Lancia D50 F1 1955 9 +2.896
158.813mph
5 +1:26.343
154.942mph
21 2:08.734
156.527mph
Pirelli  
EvilClive
 Blue Moose Racing
Maserati 250F F1 1955 5 +1.492
160.590mph
6 +1L
157.840mph
20 2:05.565
160.478mph
Pirelli  
tagomago
 Soggy Bottom Racers Club
Lancia D50 F1 1955 15 +4.323
157.047mph
7 +3:47.183
144.943mph
20 2:16.126
148.028mph
Pirelli  
Ricardo Valim da Silva
 
Mercedes W196 SL F1 1955 3 +0.449
161.936mph
8 +20L
147.847mph
1 2:14.792
149.493mph
Disco
Continental  
Raoni Frizzo
 Team Coyote
Mercedes W196 F1 1955 4 +1.458
160.634mph
9 (+1) +0.340
147.479mph
1 2:14.411
149.916mph
accident
Continental  
Enrique Farina
 
Lancia D50 F1 1955 2 +0.233
162.218mph
10 +0.816
146.967mph
1 2:16.139
148.013mph
Disco
Pirelli  
francesco
 Soggy Bottom Racers Club
Mercedes W196 SL F1 1955 8 +2.344
159.507mph
11 +2.682
144.994mph
1 2:15.419
148.800mph
Disco
Continental  
Clive Loynes
 Soggy Bottom Racers Club
Maserati 250F F1 1955 12 +3.711
157.800mph
12 +2.864
144.804mph
1 2:14.560
149.750mph
Disco
Pirelli  
Phil Thornton
 Antipasti Racing
Mercedes W196 F1 1955 14 +3.842
157.638mph
13 +4.651
142.968mph
1 2:15.905
148.268mph
Disco
Continental  
Doni Yourth
 Blue Moose Racing
Gordini T16 F1 1955 13 +3.816
157.670mph
14 +5.187
142.427mph
1 2:15.640
148.558mph
accident
Englebert  
JonnyO
 Team Coyote
Mercedes W196 SL F1 1955 11 +3.337
158.263mph
15 +8.263
139.396mph
1 2:19.358
144.594mph
accident
Continental  
PaulV
 Blue Moose Racing
Gordini T16 F1 1955 16 +13.173
146.914mph
16 +13.805
134.249mph
1 2:22.972
140.939mph
Disco
Englebert  
4 UKGPL
 
Lancia D50 F1 1955 17 18 DNS ---
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Moderator's Report

Summary
A convincing win by Greg Taber in his Mercedes W196SL. Pole position, fastest lap and led every lap; it does not get more convincing than that. He was helped by a monumental crash on lap 2 that took out several strong contenders, nevertheless it was a dominant display. Dulima secured second place in another Streamliner with Cookie grabbing the final podium spot in his Lancia.


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Lap 2 - Gladbacher Kurve – Raoni Frizzo, Ricardo Valim da Silva, Enrique Farina, Francesco, Clive Loynes, Phil Thornton, Doni Yourth, JonnyO and PaulV

At the grandstand, Raoni got a decent draft on Ricardo and Evil Clive and cruised past both of them. Ricardo then had the benefit of a slipstream through Erkelenzer Gerade and he repaid the compliment to Raoni, drafting past on the approach to Gladbacher Kurve. At this point both drivers fought for position, Ricardo was going slightly too fast and ran wide putting his offside rear wheel on the edge of the grass, but he was managing to keep control. Raoni was trying to retake the position and drifted wide. Side by side contact was made and both cars crashed out. The barriers prevented the wreckage from clearing the tarmac and consequently several drivers were caught up in the melee.

Ricardo Valim da Silva was entitled to try to retake the position. He was ahead as the drivers approached Gladbacher Kurve, but he was going too fast and consequently ran very wide leaving the door open for Raoni.

Raoni was reluctant to concede and consequently pushed too hard into Gladbacher Kurve. If he had eased off slightly, he wouldn’t have run wide and in all probability would have retaken the position because Ricardo was struggling to maintain control on the edge of the track and was losing momentum.

This is a very long gentle curve and there isn’t a definite turn-in point, so it is fair to say the drivers were side-by-side and fighting for position when the contact occurred. Neither driver could claim to have won the corner on the basis of being ahead at the turn-in point. Consequently Raoni must shoulder responsibility for this incident. He should have stayed on his side of the track. Simple Side by Side contact, Scenario 4 applies “In a corner, after a legitimate overtaking attempt the cars end up side by side. One driver moves over instead of staying on their own side of the track. Contact is made. Penalty for driver that moves over.”

SimRacing.org.uk Lap Records
Grand Prix Legends
F1 1955
2:03.985
162.523mph
GregT
Qualifying
Mercedes W196 SLApril 05, 2020, 09:37:15 PM +0100
S3655GP
Grand Prix Legends
F1 1955
2:04.864
161.379mph
GregT
Race
Mercedes W196 SLApril 05, 2020, 09:37:15 PM +0100
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« Reply #45 on: April 06, 2020, 08:27:47 PM +0100 »

OK, I just edited makereport.bat

It appears that method doesn't work.
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« Reply #46 on: April 07, 2020, 01:29:14 AM +0100 »

Hello everyone!

This is a track that to be honest I don't like to run, the probability of a big one is very strong, I think from the last five races that I ran on it, yesterday's was the only one I finished.

The rest was in the big ones, I was in doubt, would drop behind the grid, or with caution, I decided to go cautiously and at the start I lost four or five positions.

I'm glad you got off the accident unscathed but unfortunately many pilots stayed there

We had a very good race, me, Policardi and EvilClive, in the middle of the race, at the last corner, I saw that Policardi entered inside and I tried to make the curve from the outside, how stupid, I almost finished my run

I came back and with my Mercedes I managed to reach them

Thanks EvilClive and Policardi for being very clean and especially EvilClive for not hitting my back on the last lap. Rather take the car out than hit me.

Let's go to Monza 10K, another track with a lot of speed

Hug to everyone





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« Reply #47 on: April 07, 2020, 01:31:43 AM +0100 »

Sorry Google, translator

there are many words that change
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« Reply #48 on: April 07, 2020, 01:07:46 PM +0100 »

Gutted to find out that after Sunday's debacle we don't race again until May!
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« Reply #49 on: April 07, 2020, 01:49:27 PM +0100 »

Big grats to Greg on a commanding win and to Dulima for a good recovery and Axel for the other podium places. Commiserations to all those who did not make it to the flag, but any incident on this track is likely to drag several other victims into the crash.

I had predicted that if we had a large number of SL's on the front of the grid there was every possibility of a major crashfest at T1. I actually predicted Lap 1, but it was a few laps into the race when several of those silver aircraft carriers got too close around what is the tightest corner on this strange track.
 After some practice ( which is unusual for me, maybe I had too much time on my hands?), my game plan had been very simple. Those SL's were just too fast, but it was clear that all cars, including even the Gordini, with the right gearing could stay in the slipstream and reach the same speeds.
The Gordini was just too slow off the grid and all the tow trucks would have been gone, so I decided to take a car that might be able to at least get me into the slipstream very quickly and I settled on the Mas 250F.
I geared it very carefully so that I could use both 4th and 5th once we reached racing speeds. 5th was only running at 6K when in the max tow and 4th was only a notch or two down, but it allowed me to get more control through T1 where I had the car set up for slight "power on" oversteer.

The race was looking good in the early laps and I was amongst some SL's and a couple of Lancias. There was no chance of my 250F actually passing the other cars, but I could sit quite comfortably in their slipstream. There was a moment, early in the race, where I was tucked in behind a Merc SL which was towing me along nicely and it looked like we might be able to close on Greg who was in 1st place.
The plan was good until a couple of other Mercs caught us and formed a small silver wall ahead of me. That was no problem, I still had plenty of slipstream to use.
Axel was close in his Lancia as we hurtled into T1. It was already clear that those SL's were struggling through T1 and both the Lancia and the 250F could gain a lot of time through that corner to be sure of staying on the tail of those Mercs. Someone got a wheel on the grass and suddenly there was wall to wall silver machines !! Embarrassed scared scared scared
With the brakes on these cars there was not a hope in hell of stopping, plus the 100% commitment into T1 meant that, my car at least, was very finely balanced on the very limit of adhesion. I eased the steering and aimed for a gap that was in danger of being closed by a spinning Merc. It was pure luck that I emerged on the other side with Axel and his Lancia still both in working cars.
But now Greg was gone and clear,  Undecided and Axel and myself did not have the tow truck to pull us along. So I was forced to sit behind Axel's Lancia and click the laps off. I just did not have the raw power to attempt a pass on Axel and when I did try, I lost all momentum whenever I pulled out from behind him. I felt that I could be slightly quicker through T1 if I really pushed, but that was never a place to try and pass.

Eventually Dulima caught us in his SL and we had ourselves a slipstream to use which pulled us steadily away from the rest of the field..until  Dulima ran wide at the final corner and I thought had ended his race...Axel and me alone again.
After a lap or two I could see on Prib that Dulima was rolling again, so I watched the gap and I could see that he was closing at a rate that would bring him back to us way before the end of the race.
Sure enough, that big silver machine loomed in the mirrors and swept past. Axel and myself jumped into the slipstream and went along for the ride. Greg was miles ahead by now, so this was the race for 2,3, and 4.
Axel and his Lancia appeared to be working out if he could make a pass through the final turn and maybe planning a move for the last lap? I honestly could not see any way that I could threaten Dulima or Axel and I sat behind them for several laps.
Then Axel made a small error and I eased up onto the tail of the SL and discovered that as long as I stayed very close ( within 20mtrs) I could use the speed of the SL to just keep me ahead of Axel...hmmmm maybe if I can hold this position on the last lap I could steal 3rd??
So, as we entered the final lap I was right on Dulima's tail as we thundered down to T1 and that was where it all came unravelled!!
I was just too close to Dulima and when the SL wobbled and struggled for grip, just at the point where I was getting on the gas to force the oversteer, I realised that I was going to hit the rear of the Merc  Undecided. Braking was certain to throw my car off the track, so my only option was just to lift off the gas and try and run a wider line.
After that it was like slow motion. I knew it was all over before the impact, because I had lost the oversteer that was keeping my car turned in and I just could not get enough grip to avoid the grass. 2 wheels vanished and the race was over. I guess I got just a little bit too greedy and hoped for a podium place, when I should have settled for a safe and secure 4th? lol

Apologies for the long post, but I had time and nothing better to do  Roll Eyes
BTW I do sort of see Clive's point about this track and I would have preferred somewhere where braking and road holding played a bigger part. But it was the same for everyone and probably very much like it was in real life when if you weren't in a Merc you were not likely to win??



Thx Clive for the report, I need a week to read it...  Grin
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« Reply #50 on: April 07, 2020, 03:55:19 PM +0100 »

I've been asked to provide a report on the mega-shunt on Lap02 seeing as how I was one of the many eliminated.  I defer to Clint Eastwood's line as Dirty Harry from  the film, Magnum Force.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_VrFV5r8cs0

Nuff said.
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« Reply #51 on: April 07, 2020, 04:27:27 PM +0100 »

ROFL!!

Limitations=(Available grip x Awareness of nearest driver ) - proximity of nearest hard objects
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                          OR

Close your eyes x aim for gap x speed = survival quotient ( $ )
number of cars in close proximity
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« Reply #52 on: April 07, 2020, 05:18:10 PM +0100 »

I've been asked to provide a report on the mega-shunt on Lap02 seeing as how I was one of the many eliminated.  I defer to Clint Eastwood's line as Dirty Harry from  the film, Magnum Force.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_VrFV5r8cs0

Nuff said.

I just wished the moderator the best of luck and said it was a bigger waste of time than the actual race.  And that screwed up two weeks of effort! 
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« Reply #53 on: April 28, 2020, 01:49:37 AM +0100 »

OK, I just edited makereport.bat

It appears that method doesn't work.

Reports for GPL Weekly must be in semikv format. You enable it with --format=semikv option. Example:

rpydump --cst-auto --format=semikv -o report.txt replay.rpy
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« Reply #54 on: April 28, 2020, 06:57:41 PM +0100 »

Thanks for the info tramker, much appreciated we'll know for next time.  Incidentally welcome to UKGPL :-)
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