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August 10, 2006, 09:08:35 PM +0100 - Imola (2007+) - UKGTL Ladder GTC-TC-76
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Nat. Make Model Class Qualifying Race
Tyres Pos Time/Gap Pos Time/Gap Laps Stops Best Retirement
reason
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Pero_Grozni
 RS Motorsport
Ford Capri 3100 RS (#89) GTC-TC-76 1 2:00.270
91.516mph
1 40:51.381
85.309mph
19 2:00.690
91.197mph
Avon  
LeH
 Ghostspeed
DeTomaso Pantera (#202552) GTC-TC-76 2 +0.209
91.357mph
2 (+2) +30.721
84.253mph
19 2:01.940
90.262mph
Avon  
pribeiro
 Ghostspeed
Ford Capri 3100 RS (#202551) GTC-TC-76 3 +2.487
89.662mph
3 +45.745
83.746mph
19 2:03.898
88.836mph
Avon  
JohnnyDee
 Ghostspeed
DeTomaso Pantera (#202552) GTC-TC-76 5 +2.920
89.346mph
4 +46.890
83.708mph
19 2:03.862
88.862mph
Avon  
Jeffrey
 Team Shark
Ford Escort RS (#74) GTC-TC-76 6 +3.145
89.183mph
5 +47.267
83.695mph
19 2:03.542
89.092mph
Avon  
rikrecked
 
Ford Escort RS (#74) GTC-TC-76 12 +4.715
88.063mph
6 (+2) +1:21.677
82.558mph
19 2:05.008
88.047mph
Avon  
baracus250gt
 
Porsche 906 (#30) GTC-TC-76 9 +4.159
88.457mph
7 +1:29.619
82.300mph
19 2:03.381
89.208mph
Michelin  
ASSASSINO
 Ghostspeed
Ford Capri 3100 RS (#202551) GTC-TC-76 10 +4.184
88.439mph
8 +1:32.301
82.213mph
19 2:04.633
88.312mph
Avon  
Dan Minton
 Team RVS
Ford Escort RS (#217202) GTC-TC-76 8 +4.091
88.505mph
9 +1:33.899
82.162mph
19 2:04.853
88.156mph
Avon  
Simon Gymer
 Team Shark
Porsche 906 (#200102) GTC-TC-76 11 +4.522
88.199mph
10 +1:47.133
81.737mph
19 2:05.415
87.761mph
Michelin  
TinMan
 Team Oldie Racing
Ford Capri 3100 RS (#89) GTC-TC-76 15 +7.010
86.475mph
11 +2:06.199
81.132mph
19 2:07.305
86.458mph
Avon  
Dave 'Gizmo' Gymer
 Team Shark
Ford Capri 3100 RS (#200103) GTC-TC-76 17 +7.521
86.130mph
12 +1L
80.373mph
18 2:06.684
86.882mph
Avon  
Mark J
 Legends Racing
Porsche 911 RSR 2.8 (#200873) GTC-TC-76 13 +5.910
87.229mph
13 +17.660
79.802mph
18 2:06.804
86.800mph
Goodyear  
Woodee
 
Ford GT40 (#840) GTC-65 18 +8.594
85.412mph
14 +33.279
79.303mph
18 2:09.852
84.762mph
Dunlop  
Oilseal
 Team Oldie Racing
Ford Capri 3100 RS (#89) GTC-TC-76 19 +9.382
84.893mph
15 +1:19.852
77.851mph
18 2:09.667
84.883mph
Avon  
will16v
 28CD Motorsports
Porsche 911 RSR 3.0 (#853) GTC-TC-76 20 +11.389
83.599mph
16 +2:23.552
75.950mph
18 2:09.706
84.858mph
Goodyear  
BillThomas
 
Porsche 906 (#30) GTC-TC-76 21 +13.004
82.586mph
17 +2L
75.717mph
17 2:14.324
81.941mph
Michelin  
Mooman117
 
DeTomaso Pantera (#84) GTC-TC-76 4 +2.678
89.522mph
18 17 2:03.163
89.366mph
unknown
Avon  
OSiriS
 
Porsche 906 (#30) GTC-TC-76 14 +6.130
87.077mph
19 (+1) 17 2:07.560
86.285mph
suspension
Michelin  
Bernie Lomax
 Ze Penguin Brotherhood
Ford Capri 3100 RS (#89) GTC-TC-76 7 +3.757
88.743mph
20 +5L 14 2:05.048
88.019mph
unknown
Avon  
Don
 Legends Racing
Porsche 911 RSR 2.8 (#200873) GTC-TC-76 16 +7.039
86.456mph
21 +17L 2 2:17.526
80.033mph
suspension
Goodyear  

Moderator's Report

Some members were seen to be chatting at the end of the race while other drivers were still racing to the finish. Due to the difficulty of knowing who exactly was chatting I can only remind all members that no one is to chat until the last car crosses the line. And while we are on the subject of chatting during/after a race, members are not to discuss incidents in open forums or in chat after the race. Incidents are to be reported to a moderator who will deal with the matter. This is the second time I have warned you guys about this, the next time will result in a 2 place penalty for the perpetrator regardless of the circumstances.

Finally, the use of chat messages during the race is forbidden with the exception of pit in/out notification and the rare event when a driver deems himself to be stuck in a dangerous position that may be hazardous to oncoming traffic. No other messages are to be displayed during the race no matter how helpful you think you be being; they are a distraction to other drivers.


Server replay time: 170s

LeH comes almost to a standstill out of Acque Minerale on the pace lap and then does a rolling burnout. This causes chaos behind as various drivers run into each other as the track becomes blocked by stopped cars.

Whilst the field was probably a little too tightly packed, the rules clearly state that "No driver shall use excessive acceleration or braking during the formation lap". This was a fairly clear violation and caused exactly the problem which the rule is there to prevent.

  • LeH ([GS]LeH)penalty — slowing excessively on the pace lap — 2 places lost


Server replay time: 292s

Rikrecked comes off his pit limiter on the start line, allowing him to accelerate past Shark who is still on limiter. This is against start procedure rules which state "Each following driver should only disengage their limiter when the driver directly ahead does".

Submitting a petulant response to an incident report does nothing to excuse a driver from not having read the rules either!

  • rikrecked (rik)penalty — premature acceleration on the pace lap — 2 places lost


Server replay time: 332s

Under braking for Tosa, OSiriS runs into the back of Mark Jonzo, pushing him into rikrecked who loses several places as a result.

  • OSiriSpenalty — rear ending Mark Jonzo (first flying lap) — 3 places lost
    For advice only - unreported by victim, so penalty disregarded


Server replay time: 343s

Tom Cooper gets a run on OSiriS out of Tosa. The latter is pretty much in the middle of the track, and Tom goes to pass on the left, but but Tom drifts slightly right and OSiriS drifts a lot left and they collide, slowing both down and allowing several cars past.

OSiriS has to recover from the grass and manages to come all the way across the track and hit Tom who is on the far right of the road.

  • OSiriSpenalty — contact with Tom Cooper and bad rejoin — 3 places lost
    For advice only - unreported by victim, so penalty disregarded


Server replay time: 446s

Mooman is recovering from a visit to the kitty litter at Tamburello; OSiriS, who has a good view of the rejoining Pantera, comes steaming out of the second part of the chicane and makes heavy side contact with it. Unsurprisingly, the little 906 comes off worse and spins across the track; Dan Minton manages to avoid both, but Don, who had been tucked up behind Dan, is unable to see what's going on ahead clearly, and Don loses control as he tries to avoid the aftermath. Tom Cooper also clips OSiriS as he spins.

It's clear from OSiriS's incident report that he knew he should lift, but was afraid that the fidigity 906 would spin if he did so. This race had a full selection of cars to choose from and there is no reason for a driver to put up with a car they find difficult to control when there are so many others to choose from.

  • OSiriSpenalty — lack of care approaching an incident — 1 place lost


Server replay time: 1022s

Assassino loses control under braking for the first part of Piratella and hits Bernie Lomax.

This was clearly a mistake and not a passing attempt gone awry. However, Assassino admits that he had major setup problems; drivers are reminded that they must drive within their own limits and those of the car.


Server replay time: 1550s

Baracus is following Minton into the right hander before the final chicane, Baracus keeps a tight line, Minton sweeps across the track to take the turn, as he does so Baracus clips his rear spining them both out.

  • Racing incident


Server replay time: 1840s

Pero catches Woodee at Piratella, about to put a lap on him. On the way out Woodee holds the right hand line, but as Pero moves out, Woodee moves over to take the normal line for the kink. Pero then gets a run on him out of Variante Bassa, and Woodee holds to the left hand side, then again as they get to the kink, Woodee moves over to the right following the normal line and Pero has to switch back to the inside and make a pass on the brakes.

Whilst there's no suggestion that Woodee blocked Pero intentionally, he had two opportunities (out of Piratella and then out of Variante Bassa) to short shift and make the pass easier and safer. He should also not have cut across the track, even if this is the normal line, with a lapping car directly behind him.

  • Woodee (Neil Wood)warning — holding up a lapping car
    For advice only - unreported by victim, so penalty disregarded


Server replay time: 2105s

LeH is coming up lap Woodee in Piratella. As with Pero, Woodee, instead of allowing him past on the way out of the corner, inadvertently blocks LeH by moving left to take the kink at racing speed when he could have backed off slightly and safely allowed LeH past.

LeH then gets a run on him out of Variante Bassa, and moves right to go past. Woodee moves right in the kink, almost causing a collision, and forcing LeH to make a contested pass on the brakes into Tamburello.

  • Woodee (Neil Wood)warning — holding up a lapping car
    For advice only - unreported by victim, so penalty disregarded


Server replay time: 2480s

PRibeiro is about to lap Woodee as they come up out of Acque Minerale. Woodee drifts lazily across the track on the way to Variante Alta, making hard for PRibeiro to pick which side to try and pass.

In the end he has a half-hearted stab up the inside into the chicane and there is some light contact. Woodee emerges ahead and PRibeiro finally passes him on the brakes into Piratella, complete with lots of angry light flashing.

This one is 50/50; Woodee, you had no need to fight with these lapping cars as if you were racing them for position, and PRibeiro, you could have been more patient and not tried to force your way past into the chicane.

  • pribeiro ([GS]PRibeiro)caution — contact with Woodee
    For advice only - unreported by victim, so penalty disregarded
  • Woodee (Neil Wood)warning — holding up a lapping car
    For advice only - unreported by victim, so penalty disregarded

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« Reply #15 on: August 10, 2006, 09:23:13 PM +0100 »

Think thats gonna be my last GTL race!
That was more like demolition derby Huh
Think I'll be sticking to GTR from now on.
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« Reply #16 on: August 10, 2006, 09:58:48 PM +0100 »

Done well in quali (4th) the made a school boy error and got a wheel onto the grass before turn 1 and Wheeee!!! Round and round and round she goes where she stops nobody knows. Any way recovered from that about P10 got up a couple of places then a couple of cars span at the last chicane and I ended up without a splitter i also got a telling off for cutting the track whilst trying to avoid it. Got going again upto about p16 before I end having to take another detour to avoid an acident and got a stop go penalty. So back to the pits for me. Get going again and guess what, another acident avoidance manouver results in another stop go penalty. I was abit annoyed at this point and decided to leave.

After my first error I really enjoyed having a charge through the field. Its a shame about the cut track warnings coming from avoiding accidents. Hope the rest of you had better luck. 
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« Reply #17 on: August 10, 2006, 10:03:55 PM +0100 »

Man o man what a race.

I did some rF (Megane) just before joining this race, so it felt very weird driving the Escort. I didn't quite get the time I wanted, but I was happy with 6th. Even if I started 4th or something, the Pantera's would have taken me anyhow on the start.
Some still have red eyes when the lights go off and floor it. What do you think when you overtake the whole field in 200 meters Grin

But then the race, awesome. I was seeing Ghostspeed infront of mee (almost) the whole time. Both Johnny and Ribeiro. Me and Johhny were doing the same lap times over and over again. But the Escort has no weapon. I couldn't try anything on him. Outbraking was too dangerous, and cornering is not a lot better in the Escort. So I had to stick behind him and hope for a gap. But he was driving very consitent all the time.
Then, after about 10 laps I locked my brakes heading towards Rivazza. I was going towards the apex of that cars as a lose projectile. So I quickly shifted to 1st causing me to 180 and keep clear of johnny. After that I thought my fight was over. But the lap after that I saw I was gaining on him again. So I started pushing again, risking a local barbeque. A few laps before the end I was right up his tail again, but the same scenaria: I couldn't try anything. And to make matters worst, my brakes were getting very bad. I had no feel over them at all anymore at that point.
I was quite nervous to see Mooman in my mirrors. He qualified infront of me, but at some point I lapped him, and he was faster at some times. I was afraid he was gonna overtake me, but luckily all went well Cheesy
That was such a fun race, which I needed after so long.
Grats to Peter for winning. When I saw he took the Capri I kinda already knew the outcome. But I must say that LeH's time was very impressive as well.

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« Reply #18 on: August 10, 2006, 10:07:46 PM +0100 »

Hadnt played GTL for about a month and boy did it show  Embarrassed

Took the 911 and was encouraged by having 5th top time in the final praccy. Car was a bit of a handful but thought it must be competitive Undecided In Qually however, i dropped to 13th with a 2:06 time, just couldnt get into the 2:05's.

Had no chance to test a race setup so used the same as qually with full race fuel onboard...what a nightmare  Angry, car was a sack of shite with terrible understeer and poor braking that quickly saw me slide from 11th? down to 18th through a series of over-shoots especially down that steep hill. The car was almost undriveable thru the hilltop chicane where i had to almost tippy-toe thru as the porkers light front end would bounce all over the shop and lose traction if i touched the kerbs, and spin me.
Very frustrating, think i brought it home a lonely 13th and was very disapointed. Just shows you need some good testing of these beasts before a race. Wish i had taken the 906 now :'(
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« Reply #19 on: August 10, 2006, 10:08:11 PM +0100 »

Provisional results and replay.
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« Reply #20 on: August 10, 2006, 10:10:05 PM +0100 »

Provisional results and replay.
Euh, I finished behind Johnny in 5th Shocked
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« Reply #21 on: August 10, 2006, 10:10:13 PM +0100 »

i dunno what it is about GTL, but I can't seem to get the feel of it... too much on edge, and can't seem to push. I think i'll try copying my FF settings from GTR2/Rfactor to see what diff it makes.

Another boring race, didn't overtake anyone, didn't see anyone most of the race... and finished a lap down *yawn*
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« Reply #22 on: August 10, 2006, 10:13:28 PM +0100 »

Euh, I finished behind Johnny in 5th Shocked

Says you were DQ'd! Shocked Shocked

The results export has you DQ'd for some reason in the race time. Gizmo, there don't appear to be any cut laps, so the race time could probably be added up from the laps done?
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« Reply #23 on: August 10, 2006, 10:15:33 PM +0100 »

Thanks for the race guys-  had some good battles with M Jonzo and M Coop - who i tapped on the s/f line out of the chicane - sorry about that! Felt guilty & tried to slow down let you catch up, and then watched as M Jonzo flew past...! good racing tho guys Grin

Tried to keep out of the way of the frontrunners as best i could, but keept going wide to let the faster driver past, and kept going wider & wider & wider...ending up in the gravel most of the time laugh

Then underbraked heading for T1, towards the end of the race, whilst the driver in 6th place i think (906 Porsche)  had just lapped me, knew it was gonna be messy, and had two choices - take out the guy who had just lapped me, or steer into the tyre wall to stop me flying across the track into the 906...tyre wall was the option..not good Huh

I think i made the mistake of letting a driver past who was placed behind me also, when i was slowing to let the frontrunners through - he was packed in tight with them all, so i slowed thinking they were all battling  Undecided

Finnally, sorry Bill if i put you off on the warm up lap - i spun it and slowed you right down. i had a bit of a job trying to make up the gap between the car in front from where i was. I know you stopped to let me get back on the track - many thanks Wink
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« Reply #24 on: August 10, 2006, 10:18:47 PM +0100 »

Another hot race!!  I did not satisfy myself in qual, only able to get a 2:03, despite getting a 2:02.9 in practice today and during the week.  But it was good enough for P5 on the grid, with pretty much no hope of catching Le & Pero with their 2 secs better laptimes.  Someone(s) ahead of me on the formation lap were braking hard coming out of the turns, very strange, and all that weaving for the tires, yucko.  Very nearly had big problems from that.  But we all got off to a fine start and the train kep' a-rollin', right up till Mooman put a wheel off and spun out on race lap 2!!  Hate to see that, but I was relieved as I had Ruskus behind me and the thought of being the meat in that sandwich had me shaking.  Whew!  After that it was more train ride, but very exciting!  Ruskus is SO fast and he was right on my bumper for lap after lap.  Somewhere near the middle of the race, Ruskus was still right behind me, coming into the high speed downhill braking (sorry, forget the name!!), getting a little too close right at the end of the braking zone, and ended up locking his rears just at the last second and spinning off.  Darn that!!  Ruskus, I think you would've been okay as I was just getting on the gas when you spun, but thanks for making the decision to avoid a collision.  Didn't seem to hurt you much as I watched the times fall while you caught up!!  A couple of lappers allowed Ruskus to close the gap, especially Bill who got on the brakes early going into that same high speed downhill and was over on the far left of the track where the wide entrance to the turn is -- I could not tell what he was doing and we almost got together, but I *think* he was trying to be out of the way.  Ruskus did catch up, but then mysteriously dropped back again, I thought to save the Escort engine?  Anyway, I slowed for the GT40 on the last lap and Ruskus was right behind me again, but never got the spot.  <pant>  Shower time!!

And points out already, wow!!  Tied with PG for 3rd, muhaha!!  Probably the last time I'll be that close to Pero in points as he shoots on up the charts.  Wink  Results show Ruskus DQ??  Stop/go??  What happened??

     -=> J <=-
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« Reply #25 on: August 10, 2006, 10:22:13 PM +0100 »

  Results show Ruskus DQ??  Stop/go??  What happened??

Must be error as I had no cut tracks and I didn't receive anything after the finish.

I felt behind the second time because of my brakes. Again at Rivazza, but this time it was my rears causing me shake my ass Cheesy. First time it went wrond there it were my fronts, hence the going straight.
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« Reply #26 on: August 10, 2006, 10:27:14 PM +0100 »

Nice race.
For this race, i choose a very hard grip setup shifty, so, lots of camber(front), lots of negative toe-in, soft springs, low tyre pressure, short gear, etc...etc... turned.
Consequence of this: very fast turns, not very high speeds and less rubber(on tyres) when i reach the lap 15, but thats what i tried to risk at Imola with Capri( i think i only did 1 race my all life here with Capri). whistling
When Mooman117 spun, i re-took 3rd place, i loose Pero and LeH from sight and i did all race with one eye in my mirrors seeing JohnnyDee and Ruskus.Fortunatly i get a ~2sec. gap from JD and Ruskus and i could control the gap for a while, as i knew that my setup will blow my tyres, speccialy the front.
A big congratulations for Pero in a Capri (did you assembled a 7000c.c. engine with turbo in there?) thumbup2 and for LeH thumbup2, they did a great race.Johnny was great too, with Ruskus almost all race on his rear bumper.Ruskus drove the Escort very hard and fast congrats too man thumbup1

Thanks for all drivers also.
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« Reply #27 on: August 10, 2006, 10:31:04 PM +0100 »



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« Reply #28 on: August 10, 2006, 10:32:39 PM +0100 »

If you look at the lapchart you can see I was DQ'ed in lap 1, as I was 19 laps behind Huh. But check the next to last tab "lap_by_lap_graph_position", you can see I started as 6th and finished in 5th. Also if you look at the last tab I didn't have any cut track warnings.
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« Reply #29 on: August 10, 2006, 10:52:49 PM +0100 »

Horrid race for my. My suspension was damaged from an incident in lap 2 making it very difficult to control throughout the race. The damage got steadily worse until I was forced to retire on the last lap as the car was undriveable at that stage.
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