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  • Elise Cup @ Enna: September 12, 2006
September 12, 2006, 09:19:43 PM +0100 - Enna - UKGTR GTR1 Sprint Elise Cup
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Nat. Make Model Class Qualifying Race
Tyres Pos Time/Gap Pos Time/Gap Laps Stops Best Retirement
reason
Ballast
Matjaz Plotajs
 dE Racing
Lotus Elise G3 2 +0.681
104.107mph
1 40:07.326
101.534mph
22 1:47.884
102.983mph
Dunlop  
JonM_uk
 Ze Penguin Brotherhood
Lotus Elise G3 1 1:46.039
104.775mph
2 +6.378
101.266mph
22 1:47.126
103.712mph
Dunlop  
Jeffrey
 Team Shark
Lotus Elise G3 3 +1.007
103.790mph
3 +12.214
101.022mph
22 1:47.884
102.983mph
Dunlop  
BigG
 RS Motorsport
Lotus Elise G3 6 +2.532
102.332mph
4 +1:25.504
98.051mph
22 1:50.232
100.790mph
Dunlop  
greg130
 28CD Motorsports
Lotus Elise G3 4 +1.966
102.868mph
5 +1:39.857
97.490mph
22 1:49.997
101.005mph
Dunlop  
Carl Hart
 Racin24-7
Lotus Elise G3 5 +2.522
102.341mph
6 +1L
96.410mph
21 1:50.075
100.933mph
Dunlop  
Chunky
 
Lotus Elise G3 10 +4.027
100.942mph
7 +19.138
95.654mph
21 1:52.212
99.011mph
Dunlop  
Truetom
 Ze Penguin Brotherhood
Lotus Elise G3 9 +3.564
101.368mph
8 +42.674
94.739mph
21 1:51.726
99.442mph
Dunlop  
lincescom
 Sonic Racing Team
Lotus Elise G3 13 +5.624
99.498mph
9 +1:09.706
93.711mph
21 1:54.787
96.790mph
Dunlop  
Mark J
 Legends Racing
Lotus Elise G3 11 +4.158
100.822mph
10 21 1:49.815
101.172mph
suspension
Dunlop  
silver53
 Ze Penguin Brotherhood
Lotus Elise G3 15 +6.590
98.645mph
11 +2L
89.716mph
20 1:52.863
98.440mph
Dunlop  
Dan Minton
 Team RVS
Lotus Elise G3 7 +3.175
101.729mph
12 +18.570
89.049mph
20 1:51.880
99.305mph
Dunlop  
Edza
 Kerb Crawlers
Lotus Elise G3 17 +13.281
93.113mph
13 +3L
86.887mph
19 1:57.453
94.593mph
Dunlop  
Jamera
 28CD Motorsports
Lotus Elise G3 14 +5.786
99.354mph
14 +11L 11 1:52.674
98.605mph
suspension
Dunlop  
Pedro[PL]
 Team Shark
Lotus Elise G3 12 +5.554
99.560mph
15 +13L 9 1:52.574
98.693mph
unknown
Dunlop  
mclaessen
 28CD Motorsports
Lotus Elise G3 8 +3.484
101.442mph
16 +18L 4 1:54.626
96.926mph
accident
Dunlop  
D_Nichols
 Racing for Yorkshire
Lotus Elise G3 16 +6.690
98.557mph
17 +19L 3 1:53.701
97.715mph
suspension
Dunlop  
[RSms]Andy
 RS Motorsport
Lotus Elise G3 +22L 0 ---
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DQ
Dunlop  

Moderator's Report

Server replay time: 65s

Pedro looks to the inside of Chunky going into turn 3 and is virtually level when Chunky turns in on him and there is contact. Both drop to the tail of the field before they can rejoin. It was lap 1, and Chunky really should've been aware that Pedro was, or at least could be, alongside, and left room.

Chunky then squeezes Pedro as they go into turn 4; the latter then brakes a bit too late and spins off.

  • Chunkypenalty — contact with Pedro — 3 places lost
    For advice only - unreported by victim, so penalty disregarded


Server replay time: 2400s

It's the last lap and Mark Jonzo is about a second behind BigG in 4th place. BigG catches Dan Minton, who is down in 12th and not in a fight with anyone, as they approach turn 1.

Dan should probably have allowed BigG past between T2 and T3 but Gerald is busy spinning off in T3 and BigG very sensibly makes no attempt to pass. This allows Mark Jonzo to catch right up with BigG, who has to be patient as there isn't really much track between T3 and Piscene to allow another driver past.

Dan actually pulls away a little out of Piscene and Mark gets a strong run behind BigG, drafting up and alongside. He flashes his lights at Dan but Dan is still half a dozen car lengths ahead, and has nowhere to go except to block BigG on the right. BigG backs out and yields the line to Mark, but the latter gets his line wrong into Proserpini and hits the tyres on the right, launching himself into the air and collecting BigG in the process.

Dan in the meantime has hit the left hand tyres and also spun off.

Mark retires on the spot.

Whilst Dan did not deliberately block BigG early in this sequence of events, there was no good reason for him not to move over out of turn 2 and make it easy for BigG at the least to pass him. We advise drivers being lapped not to change lines on a straight, but this does not give you carte blanche to stick rigidly to the racing line, particularly when being lapped by a car of the same class which does not have the horsepower to simply blast by on the straight. Dan probably should have stayed or moved right coming out of T2 and allowed BigG past.

Now, given the size of the gap behind Dan as they exiting Piscene, it was not reasonable to expect him to then back off and allow BigG (and Mark) past. By the time Mark got alongside BigG there was no longer any simple, safe course of action open to Dan which would have allowed both BigG and Mark past. The fact that Mark crashed was entirely down to his own mistake.

  • Dan Mintonwarning — unduly holding up BigG whilst being lapped
    For advice only - unreported by victim, so penalty disregarded

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« Reply #30 on: September 12, 2006, 10:32:34 PM +0100 »

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« Reply #31 on: September 12, 2006, 10:35:19 PM +0100 »

  Bad night  Sad

  In practice I get 1 frame then in Qual the same and I had to come out the game, but when I get back no time left   eek
  I was so happy to be the last in the grid that I did a spin in the start just to celebrate taz
  Then I realize that my pace was 3 sec. slower and I look to the fuel and I saw more 20lit, I end the race with fuel for 12 more laps  Hit with a wet fish
 
  Be side that it was a nice race  thumbup2
 
  Cheers,
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« Reply #32 on: September 12, 2006, 10:42:00 PM +0100 »

WOW! now that was intense , really enjoyed that  Grin apart from the car in front of me hitting the chicane taking off, spinning straight in to my windscreen, made me jump  Shocked
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« Reply #33 on: September 12, 2006, 10:53:20 PM +0100 »

I always did well at this track so tonight it was mistakeless race from me and that usually does it for a good result here. Jon was very fast in qualifying so I had to settle for second with Ruskus close behind me. Another great start from me gave me the lead coming into the first corner. I knew this will be tough for Jon driving in my slipstream through those chicanes and it was in the 2nd chicane that he did a small mistake going wide and clipping the wall. I saw it in my rear mirror so I gained some breathing space. Ruskus took second and was going with a nice pace and closing a bit but as usual I'm like a diesel engine so I needed a few laps to find my rhythm. From then on I tried to be smooth but not 100% flat out through those chicanes so my times were about  half to one second slower then in my practice run. I had a bit of a problem with my pit guy... he was showing me some confusing gaps to the 2nd position driver. One lap it was 4 seconds then 9 and 16 and then 9 again so I really had no idea what was my advantage. So I just focused on surviving and tried to be very carefull overtaking the backmarkers. They were very good to me, watching the mirrors. Still there were a couple of spins right in front of me but I was expecting them and kept my focus not to do anything stupid like spinning. At the end my advantage was only 6 seconds so my pitboard was completely wrong. I'll have a word with my pit guy so it doesn't happen again.  Grin

Great and scary race as usual... I think I need a shower after that because I'm claustrophobic you know and Enna is a bit of a nightmare for me although I always do well here. See you in Estoril and I hope for a fantastic final race.
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« Reply #34 on: September 12, 2006, 11:05:48 PM +0100 »

Sturdy little car, eh?  Wink  Bumped it four times, once in 1 st chicane, but all I got was "some aerial damage", not even a puncture.

I'm pleased to say my foot is healing well and it got a bit uncomfortable towards last quarter of the race, better than I expected.  yes

Hate Enna, love Estoril. I wonder if I can make it any better there.  shifty

Grats to the fastest guys. I was 4 sec behind in quali !  wacko   Not even in season 1 did this happen to me, I think. Ok, maybe in season 3 when CJ was driving.  Grin

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P.S. Sorry to the driver who I blocked rejoining. Was it you, Dan? I'm not sure. Sorry again.  Sad
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« Reply #35 on: September 12, 2006, 11:56:49 PM +0100 »

1st, well done to the top 3. 2nd, well done TT for hanging in there whilst carring a injury. and 3rd my race:

Happy with my 6th on the grid for the race, Never really liked this track in the 996, but after practice the other night found the car suited my driving well.

Got a great start and moved upto 4th behind Jeff by T1 and was happy with the pace, Jeff and the others where pulling away already, so I started to think about wot was happening behind me. Then at the last fast chicane I ran wide into the kitty litter and ended up driving for 150 mtrs before being able to rejoin the track this dropped me back to P8, but the car was not damaged.

Then people started doing werid thing and spinning off in front of me, 1st Dan M spun off, followed by Pablo, then Maurice ran wide at the same place I did and I was back in  5th.

Pablo soon recovered and started to harras my arse, but he made a mistake and the pressure was off. Greg was running a good 4th place just down the road. I was catching very slowly when understeered off at the 1st corner.

By this point i started to run into some tire issues (Understeer). Not to much off a problem I thought with now Mark Jonzo some 10-15 secs behind. Well I was wrong there. I started to make silly mistakes as I had to adjust to less grip on the front. As Mark caught me I was coming upto *** to lap him as we started another lap.

I was not really in a position to overtake in T1, Then also had to stay behind in T2 and T3 as there was no real straight between them. Then coming out of T3 I got a bad exit and *** pulled away. This then allowed Mark to get a run on me and that allowed him to get bye on my left as we all headed towards the fast right/left chicane. I had lost the corner to Mark and so pulled in behind him. We where both now very close to *** and I think we put *** in a position he could not get out off. He could not move over to the left anymore and I beleive he also though he could not have moved right as I was over there. He then went through the chicane and hit the 2nd barrier on the left. Mark then hit the 1st barrier and I then hit him. Damaged but still able to get running again. So I then drove home for 4th place, my best ever, well for a long time.

Good racing all round, thanks to the back markers for allowing me through, felt strange lapping people for the 1st time.

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« Reply #36 on: September 13, 2006, 07:43:36 AM +0100 »

I am surprised you do not feel you were being blocked BigG ? [...edited by the editor... Angry] Its reported to the mods anyhow.

Congrats to the podium guys, its a tough old track just to get through in one piece, especially trying to follow peeps blind through the chicane walls  Shocked
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« Reply #37 on: September 13, 2006, 09:02:31 AM +0100 »

Well that was certainly and eventful race!.....except for me....

Just hadn't got the pace and my setup stunk like gravy! No top-end speed, not enough fast rebound, diff was completely wrong.....the list goes on..

Wouldn't mind but I had a great start getting a few places before the first corner. After that though, Captain Slow took over, felt like I was driving a Peugeot to everyone elses Veyron!

Hope I didn't prove difficult to lap to anyone -  BigG, congrats on all the lapping you got in there, had to check your placing twice when I looked in the mirror the first time!  Grin Shocked
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« Reply #38 on: September 13, 2006, 09:06:18 AM +0100 »

As Mark caught me I was coming upto *** to lap him as we started another lap.

No need to star out the names if you're just reporting the facts in an objective and nonjudgemental way. Wink
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« Reply #39 on: September 13, 2006, 09:38:00 AM +0100 »

F*ck mine, is this is a racing website or a girls school for political correctness Angry

If i balls up, i expect to get shouted at or my collar felt, likewise we should be able to express our own opinions or views.
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« Reply #40 on: September 13, 2006, 09:47:36 AM +0100 »

F*ck mine, is this is a racing website or a girls school for political correctness Angry

If i balls up, i expect to get shouted at or my collar felt, likewise we should be able to express our own opinions or views.

It's a community of gentlemen racers and not a school playground. There are certain well established rules of conduct and if there's any feeling of collars to be done, the moderators will do it and not the mob.
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« Reply #41 on: September 13, 2006, 10:11:56 AM +0100 »

I am surprised you do not feel you were being blocked BigG ? [...edited by the editor... Angry] Its reported to the mods anyhow.

Yes Mark we where blocked, but I think it was more the case of where we were on track when we caught Dan. Then due to my problems getting out of T3 allowed him to pull away. Then when we caught him again, our positioning did not allow him any choice to move over. I know you can argue he should have really slowed down to allow us past, but that racing as far as I am concerned.

Sorry you feel so pissed.
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« Reply #42 on: September 13, 2006, 10:13:32 AM +0100 »

I would like to hear what Dan has to say. then we have the facts from all three parties.
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« Reply #43 on: September 13, 2006, 10:17:11 AM +0100 »

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It's a community of gentlemen racers and not a school playground.

Exactly, and i considered last nights driving by 'he who shall not be named' as un-gentlemanly and un-sporting, more so against the guy in front of me than to me personally. But BigG is obviously a lot more laid back than i am and therefore not as flustered Roll Eyes
It ended my race right at race end, i am not going to be happy about it, as the circumstances that created it shouldnt have happened Sad Me and Big G should have been allowed to continue our duel un-hindered.....blue flags anybody?

I enjoy reading all the post race 'posts', for good or bad experiences and dont see why its beneficial to sterilise them, taking all the passion that is motor sport out of the posts. Mods should step in if it becomes a slanging match but people should still be allowed to air their thoughts for better or worse, and from previous pm's i've had from fellow drivers, i know i am not alone in this thought.
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« Reply #44 on: September 13, 2006, 10:22:00 AM +0100 »

I'm gonna leave it now...sh*t happens. Perhaps i wind myself up too much  Embarrassed
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