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August 23, 2020, 11:08:22 PM +0100 - Monza (GP 1955-71) - UKGPL Season 37 (2020)
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Nat. Make Model Class Qualifying Race
Tyres Pos Time/Gap Pos Time/Gap Laps Stops Best Retirement
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Doni Yourth
 Blue Moose Racing
Cooper T81b (Maserati) (#1967) F1 1967 7 +1.989
140.217mph
1 51:36.580
137.000mph
33 1:32.412
139.111mph
Firestone  
Billy Nobrakes
 Black Night Racing
Eagle T1G (Weslake 1967) (#1967) F1 1967 3 +0.761
142.120mph
2 +2.893
136.872mph
33 1:31.013
141.249mph
Goodyear  
AnGex
 Black Night Racing
Cooper T81b (Maserati) (#1967) F1 1967 5 +1.889
140.370mph
3 +5.399
136.762mph
33 1:31.482
140.525mph
Firestone  
Phil Thornton
 Antipasti Racing
Lotus 49 (Cosworth) (#1967) F1 1967 4 +0.999
141.747mph
4 +59.976
134.397mph
33 1:29.777
143.194mph
Firestone  
dave curtis
 Black Night Racing
Lotus 49 (Cosworth) (#1967) F1 1967 2 +0.280
142.880mph
5 +1:00.785
134.363mph
33 1:30.094
142.690mph
Firestone  
PaulV
 Blue Moose Racing
Ferrari 312 (1967) (#1967) F1 1967 8 +3.085
138.560mph
6 +12L
130.832mph
21 1:31.711
140.174mph
Disco
Firestone  
EvilClive
 Blue Moose Racing
Brabham BT24 (Repco) (#1967) F1 1967 1 1:29.694
143.326mph
7 +18L
140.817mph
15 1:29.848
143.081mph
Disco
Goodyear  
Cookie
 Antipasti Racing
Honda RA300 (#1967) F1 1967 6 +1.966
140.252mph
8 +20L
136.523mph
13 1:30.657
141.804mph
Disco
Firestone  
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« Reply #30 on: August 21, 2020, 08:20:21 PM +0100 »

Think I am doing something wrong. Never see any tire smoke with this patch?
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« Reply #31 on: August 21, 2020, 09:14:05 PM +0100 »

Has everyone downloaded the correct version? We should be using v2.02. Please don't use the v2.0 patch (i.e. the file 77C Pit Stop v2.0.xml) with the Pit Stop Manager. That combination won't work!

I've replaced the v2.02 zip file on the UKGPL web site with a patch pre-configured for zero handicap. Please download via this link.

Then replace the 77C Pit Stop v2.02.xml file in your directories:
C:\GPLSecrets\GEM+\Options
C:\Sierra\GPL
with the downloaded one.

That will set the handicap to zero which means the refuel time takes the default 10 seconds.

Billy and Doni, this should set you refuel time to 10 seconds.

Billy, if your tyres are not lasting more than 5 laps when you have selected a "Long" race, then I'm 99% certain you are using the v2.0 patch. Either that or you have selected "Training".

Andreas, try selecting "Training" and have "Smoke" selected in your GPL options. You should see tyre smoke after a few laps.
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« Reply #32 on: August 21, 2020, 10:20:47 PM +0100 »

Think I am doing something wrong. Never see any tire smoke with this patch?
With the Lotus at Monza 67:

In "Training", I get the tyres smoking on lap 5 at the Curva Grande.

In "Long" I can make the tyres last about 20 laps.

In "Grand Prix" I can make the tyres last about 58 laps.
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« Reply #33 on: August 21, 2020, 11:19:18 PM +0100 »

I seem to be sorted.

In  Training mode the tyres lasted 5 laps. Tried in a simulated race & did about 10 laps & tyres were still in reasonable shape. Fuelling lasted about 10 secs.

In training mode my front tyres found a pack of Gaulois & were smoking away to their hearts content.

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« Reply #34 on: August 21, 2020, 11:24:54 PM +0100 »

I seem to be sorted.
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In  Training mode the tyres lasted 5 laps. Tried in a simulated race & did about 10 laps & tyres were still in reasonable shape. Fuelling lasted about 10 secs.
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In training mode my front tyres found a pack of Gaulois & were smoking away to their hearts content.
Which gives you a feel for what it would be like if you tried to do the whole race without a tyre stop. The last 10 laps would be very tough.

Just need to get Doni and Andreas sorted now  Smiley
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« Reply #35 on: August 22, 2020, 12:45:17 AM +0100 »

I'm quite sure that I'll experience 'tyre smoke' as trials are certainly indicating that there is a life to the rubber.  My concern is with the refuel duration.  Using Phil's pre-configured patch above, I now have petrol stops only at 10 seconds.  Right as advertised.  I cannot seem to alter that value in a test.  Sigh...  There's something still not quite right but I'll be buggered to find out what.

Perhaps the problem is my initial lack of a 'GPLSecrets' directory.  I had that directory many moons ago but somehow, it went be the wayside.  I've recreated it but am not sure of exactly where it should be placed.  As well, I'm not sure beyond what we see here concerning the patch just what it should contain.  Any suggestions, lads?

If I leave Phil's configuration 'as per' at 10 seconds, I can look to take out the Cooper at Monza on Sunday.  That will work.

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« Reply #36 on: August 22, 2020, 11:54:51 AM +0100 »

Perhaps the problem is my initial lack of a 'GPLSecrets' directory.  I had that directory many moons ago but somehow, it went be the wayside.  I've recreated it but am not sure of exactly where it should be placed.  As well, I'm not sure beyond what we see here concerning the patch just what it should contain.  Any suggestions, lads?
I think I understand what is wrong.

The "GPL Secrets" directory is the one where you have GEM+ installed. You must have called it something else when you installed GEM+. You have it somewhere or you wouldn't be able to run the other mods and set the 60fps patch etc. In fact you must know where it is because you have set the Pit Stop time to 10 seconds by overwriting the 77C Pit Stop v2.02.xml in the options folder:
C:\<the path you used when you installed GEM+>\GEM+\Options

The default install path is:
C:\GPLSecrets\GEM+\Options

So for "GPL Secrets" directory, read GEM+ installation directory.

To set the path to the "GPL Secrets" directory, delete the "Pitstop Handicap Settings.ini" file and then run the "Pitstop Handicap Manager.exe". Because you have deleted the .ini file, the first thing it will do is to popup a window that asks you to navigate to your "GPL Secrets" directory. Do that, then set a handicap (in this case I've set it for 15 seconds) and close the Pitstop Handicap Manager. You should find the "Pitstop Handicap Settings.ini" file has been recreated and if you open it with Notepad (assuming the default GEM+ install path C:\GPLSecrets) it should look like this:
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585 ;window width in pixels
 338 ;window height in pixels
C:\GPLSecrets ;GPLSecrets path
15 ;handicap time delay in seconds

If you've missed the windows popup and failed to enter a path to your "GPL Secrets" directory or cancelled the popup it will look like this:
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585 ;window width in pixels
 338 ;window height in pixels
;GPLSecrets path
15 ;handicap time delay in seconds
If this is the case you will get a warning "A 77C Pitstop Patch File v2.02 Was Not Found In Any Mod Physics Or GPL Secrets Directory" when you run the "Pitstop Handicap Manager.exe".

If you set the path to the wrong directory you will also get a warning "A 77C Pitstop Patch File v2.02 Was Not Found In Any Mod Physics Or GPL Secrets Directory" when you run the "Pitstop Handicap Manager.exe".
Code:
585 ;window width in pixels
 338 ;window height in pixels
C:\ThisIsTheWrongDirectory ;GPLSecrets path
15 ;handicap time delay in seconds

I'll do some screenshots later and add them to the guide.
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« Reply #37 on: August 22, 2020, 01:38:08 PM +0100 »

Thanks so much for this, Phil.  I really appreciate your efforts to get me properly configured.

I have created a special, stand-alone install of GPL strictly for the testing and use of the new Lee Bowden patch.  As mentioned in my last note, I have it working at the 10 second refuel marker as set in the file you provided.  I'll work to get all my ducks in a row before post time tomorrow.

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« Reply #38 on: August 22, 2020, 03:35:14 PM +0100 »


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Andreas, try selecting "Training" and have "Smoke" selected in your GPL options. You should see tyre smoke after a few laps.


Sure I had "Smoke" enabled in the options. But I had not been in the "Training" Mode for Ages. While I done so the left back tyre started to smoke and the driving was horrible. Then the Parabolica was reached and it ended in the gravel. So I was heading for the pits and looking for some new Rubber...
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« Reply #39 on: August 23, 2020, 02:28:15 PM +0100 »

Some good...  Some bad...

I've created a GPLSecrets directory on my C:/ drive and have all mods now working through it.  Previously, GEM+ was in a separate folder altogether.  With this, I am at least happy and relieved to have the swap over of the GEM configuration successfully accomplished.  However, I still cannot get the Pit Stop Patch to recognize changes in the time duration.  I'm quite sure that I'm following the correct procedure.  Sigh...

I intend on using Phil's 10 second patch with the Cooper today.  I have verified it as being spot on for a petrol top-up.  I shall do another trial prior to the race today to be quite certain that it's good to go at that value.

I did mention that I created a special, separate install for this patch and this race.  I decided to use the original Papy carset graphics instead of up-gunning to my usual GPLEA makeovers.  Quite a difference!

Thanks again to Phil for all his assistance on this.

Edit: Just a few minutes later from the post above...  Tested on the server.  Ten second refuel confirmed.
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« Reply #40 on: August 23, 2020, 05:08:00 PM +0100 »

However, I still cannot get the Pit Stop Patch to recognize changes in the time duration.  I'm quite sure that I'm following the correct procedure.  Sigh...
Hi Doni

Can you tell me what the full path is to your GEM+ options folder (mine is C:\GPLSecrets\GEM+\Options) and what the path is in your "Pitstop Handicap Settings.ini" file. Hopefully I can help resolve this problem.

Are you deleting the gplc67.exe file every time you try to change the pit stop time? GEM+ doesn't rebuild the executables (although it says it does) you must delete the gplc67.exe after you set the pit stop time and before you start GEM+.
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« Reply #41 on: August 23, 2020, 07:06:42 PM +0100 »

My path is exactly as you state it above, Phil.  I'm wondering now if I've been forgetting to delete the gplc67.exe each time.  Let me try that with a random value for the patch and we'll see what happens.  Stay tuned...

Edit: Only a few minutes after posting the above and an off-line test with a random value.  Nope.  Still stuck at 10 seconds.  For sure, I deleted the executable.  I'll get in touch with Lee Bowden for a remedy.  He'll suss it.
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« Reply #42 on: August 23, 2020, 11:59:33 PM +0100 »

Well that was an interesting race. I expected my tyres to last 20 laps (I have tested the Lotus at Silverstone but not at Monza). However it seems, the tyre wear at Monza is more severe than it is at Silverstone. The left rear was getting hotter than the other tyres and the grip was getting marginal, but on lap 16 I decided not to pit because needed to do one more lap to get over half way. Unfortunately I didn't make the next lap unscathed, my left rear gave up at the Curva Grande; it started smoking badly so I had to limp around the rest of the lap which cost me my 20 seconds advantage over Billy.

After my 90 sec refuel and my 15 second tyre stop, I dashed out of the pits dead last and just in front of Doni who was about to lap me. But with fresh tyres I got the hammer down. I caught Paul just as he took a trip into the sandpit at the Parabolica. Next it was Dave but I thought he was too far ahead. Dave was also in a Lotus and was having similar tyre problems. He decided to pit for a second new set with 5 laps to go and as he came out of the pits I was right behind him. I managed to sneak past before his tyres got fully up to temperature and the last 3 laps were very hectic. We had a drag race out of Parabolica on the last lap, both of us trying to extract the most out of our squealing tyres. I just hung on as we got to the finish line.

If anyone hasn't seen the smoking tyres, I'd recommend a look at the replay. My smoking Lotus trying to complete a lap with Billy and Andreas hunting me down looks cool.
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« Reply #43 on: August 24, 2020, 12:42:04 PM +0100 »

Definitely introduces a new factor to racing.

As it worked out my race ran according to plan. I took a stop for tyres & some fuel on lap 16/17 & didn't have any trouble with tyre degradation. It probably needs a little more thought about how the time penalties are allocated but it could be a very interesting option for handicapping. We had 8 cars on the grid last night. Double the number would have made it very interesting.
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« Reply #44 on: August 24, 2020, 05:42:35 PM +0100 »

Another lap and Billy would have taken the lead.  Two more laps and I would have been skating off into the kitty litter for a certainty.

I decided to pit for fuel only at the end of Lap01 to avoid congestion in the pits.  This meant that I needed to start with a load of fuel suitable for the full distance.  The timing of the stop went off perfectly at 10 seconds.  Thanks to Phil for providing that file parameter.

I was obliged to run near qualifying laps after my pit stop as I hadn't a clue where I'd end up after everyone dropped in for service.  There was some grief along the way.  Axel with a couple of incidents before retiring.  Evil seemed to not get his pit stop to go off properly.  David and Paul with some dramas.

After all had made their stops, I had Andreas chasing me about a dozen seconds back and always a threat if he'd taken tyres on his stop.  I had to assume that he did.  In a pre-race test, I discovered that the tyres would give out after 30 laps.  I was very careful over the last three laps moderating my pace.  On my cool-down lap, I kept the pace up and sure enough, by the time I got to the Parabolique, traction was way, way down.  The tail was swinging out with great abandon.  My tyres weren't smoking, though.  Must look into why not.

I'll be contacting Lee Bowden in the next days to find a solution to my configuration of the refuel timing.

Thanks for organizing, Axel & Phil!  Smiley
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