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September 17, 2020, 07:52:36 PM +0100 - Hockenheim (GP) - RRE Season 7 (2020) Race Room Merc DTM 2005
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Nat. Make Model Class Qualifying Race
Tyres Pos Time/Gap Pos Time/Gap Laps Stops Best Retirement
reason
Ballast
Geoffers
 Kerb Crawlers
Mercedes AMG CLK DTM 2003 {unknown} 5 +0.840
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1 30:16.398
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18 0 1:39.539
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Dunlop  
spanner
 Prodigy Racing
Mercedes AMG CLK DTM 2003 {unknown} 1 1:40.111
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2 +7.289
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18 0 1:40.029
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Dunlop  
picnic
 Team Shark
Mercedes AMG CLK DTM 2003 {unknown} 4 +0.541
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3 +28.432
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18 0 1:40.414
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Dunlop  
Glenn Richardson
 
Mercedes AMG CLK DTM 2003 {unknown} 3 +0.309
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4 +43.731
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18 0 1:39.854
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Dunlop  
azaris
 
Mercedes AMG CLK DTM 2003 {unknown} 2 +0.297
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5 +44.857
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18 0 1:41.689
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Dunlop  
SRW
 Prodigy Racing
Mercedes AMG CLK DTM 2003 {unknown} 8 +2.112
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6 +52.412
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18 0 1:41.549
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Dunlop  
BiriBiri
 
Mercedes AMG CLK DTM 2003 {unknown} 6 +1.718
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7 +1:07.827
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18 0 1:42.033
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Dunlop  
phspok
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Mercedes AMG CLK DTM 2003 {unknown} 7 +1.797
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8 +1:09.630
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18 0 1:41.284
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Dunlop  
BillThomas
 Kerb Crawlers
Mercedes AMG CLK DTM 2003 {unknown} 9 +17.175
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9 +16L 2 0 1:52.532
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unknown
Dunlop  
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« on: August 23, 2020, 08:00:48 PM +0100 »



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(2) Driver lists can be found on the championship standings page

Practice: 19:45 BST (30 mins)
Qual 2: 20:15 (15 mins)
Race: 20:30 ~ 30 Mins

Cars allowed: Mercedes DTM 2003
Track: Hockenheim (GP)
Time of Day Setting: 13:00
Weather: Dry

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Tyre wear: Normal
Fuel consumption: Normal
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« Reply #1 on: September 12, 2020, 02:15:19 PM +0100 »

Anyone else tried this car and having severe difficulties keeping the rear from stepping out when locking the brakes? Even with 65-35 brake bias, I am spinning like a top as soon as the brakes lock. That's as far it lets me go so I'm kind of out of ideas how exactly this car is supposed to be made driveable.
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« Reply #2 on: September 12, 2020, 04:52:06 PM +0100 »

You are probably driving harder than I am, and, I tend to come off the brake during downshifts
But have a go with this? For me it mostly locks the fronts if I just stand on the brakes.
Try reducing the brake amount event less perhaps?

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« Reply #3 on: September 14, 2020, 12:43:24 PM +0100 »

Can you change the diff settings on the car? Increasing coast locking.
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« Reply #4 on: September 14, 2020, 04:48:02 PM +0100 »

Can you change the diff settings on the car? Increasing coast locking.

No diff is set except for preload.

Turning brake pressure down to around 85% seemed to help with bias at 57/43. Also changing down too quick is not recommended I found, don't think this car has a system which prevents changing down if revs are too high, hence it can lock the rears if you drop a gear too quick. Taking the hairpin in 2nd also seems advisable. Apart from the hairpin the rest of the lap is not too difficult.
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« Reply #5 on: September 14, 2020, 05:41:19 PM +0100 »

Downshifting makes no difference. Try driving in a straight line, apply full brakes from 200 kph with no down shifting. The car will spin randomly to either left or right once the brakes lock. This is with 80% brake pressure and 65-35 bias. This is not how a race car is supposed to behave.
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« Reply #6 on: September 14, 2020, 06:05:48 PM +0100 »

I find it to be a bit too much rear bias as standard. If everyone has the same issue
I can move to the 2003 variant, it's brakes seem more "normal"
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« Reply #7 on: September 14, 2020, 06:09:04 PM +0100 »

Interestingly, if you return brake pressure to 100% the front brakes lock properly and the car stops in a straight line. So I suspect there is a bug where the brake pressure adjustment only applies to front brakes, not rear brakes.
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« Reply #8 on: September 14, 2020, 08:08:11 PM +0100 »

 Huh Pffff, even more difficult than FRJ. Braking and throttling like its a brand new car.

Thx for the heads up, only thursday training would have been a disaster.
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« Reply #9 on: September 14, 2020, 09:54:20 PM +0100 »

Try my my "easy setup" Birgir, if you are having trouble
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« Reply #10 on: September 15, 2020, 02:03:14 PM +0100 »

Confirmed on the S3 forum that they suspect it's an issue with engine braking. We can try and see how it goes on Thursday, but if the car remains broken I'm probably not going to do too many of these.
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« Reply #11 on: September 15, 2020, 03:47:34 PM +0100 »

I would favour a change to using the 2003 car.
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« Reply #12 on: September 15, 2020, 04:28:21 PM +0100 »

We have used the 2003 car before with no issues, and, I had a go at the same track, and I had no trouble with braking.
Shout up guys, otherwise I will change it to 2003 car tommorow.
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« Reply #13 on: September 15, 2020, 04:29:01 PM +0100 »

The C-Class 2003 seems more manageable so I would favour switching, but also understand if people don't want to change cars so late. I think we need to make the decision tonight so people have time to prepare.
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« Reply #14 on: September 15, 2020, 04:37:03 PM +0100 »

I agree. I think I prefer the 2003 anyway, so amy happy to use that one.
Assume we will switch unless people shout this evening.
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