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July 21, 2020, 11:13:40 PM +0100 - Mexico City (1962-1979) - UKGPL Season 37 (2020) Mixed Open Wheel
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Nat. Make Model Class Qualifying Race
Tyres Pos Time/Gap Pos Time/Gap Laps Stops Best Retirement
reason
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uli
 Antipasti Racing
Brabham BT11 (Climax 2.7) (#1966) F1 1966 1 1:49.045
102.525mph
1 46:18.290
100.600mph
25 1:49.251
102.332mph
Goodyear  
MagicArsouille
 Black Night Racing
Ferrari 246 (#1966) F1 1966 2 +1.049
101.548mph
2 +1.388
100.550mph
25 1:50.064
101.576mph
Firestone  
Alessandro Isacchini
 Virtual Drivers Alliance
Lotus 33 (Climax 1966) (#1966) F1 1966 3 +1.898
100.771mph
3 +21.026
99.844mph
25 1:51.032
100.690mph
Firestone  
fpolicardi
 Team7
Brabham BT11 (Climax 2.5) (#1966) F1 1966 8 +3.633
99.219mph
4 +49.334
98.845mph
25 1:51.892
99.916mph
Goodyear  
Alain Maurice
 
Eagle T1F (Climax) (#1966) F1 1966 6 +2.814
99.946mph
5 +57.667
98.554mph
25 1:52.023
99.799mph
Goodyear  
EvilClive
 Blue Moose Racing
Brabham BT11 (Climax 2.7) (#1966) F1 1966 4 +1.900
100.769mph
6 +1:07.513
98.213mph
25 1:50.753
100.944mph
Goodyear  
Phil Thornton
 Antipasti Racing
Brabham BT11 (Climax 2.5) (#1966) F1 1966 9 +3.736
99.129mph
7 +1:24.783
97.621mph
25 1:53.058
98.886mph
Goodyear  
AnGex
 Black Night Racing
Ferrari 246 (#1966) F1 1966 11 +4.556
98.413mph
8 +1:25.643
97.592mph
25 1:52.948
98.982mph
Firestone  
Rainier
 Black Night Racing
Brabham BT11 (Climax 2.7) (#1966) F1 1966 10 +3.945
98.945mph
9 +1:32.144
97.371mph
25 1:52.240
99.607mph
Goodyear  
dave curtis
 Black Night Racing
Lotus 33 (Climax 1966) (#1966) F1 1966 14 +5.472
97.626mph
10 +1:40.846
97.076mph
25 1:53.983
98.083mph
Firestone  
Doni Yourth
 Blue Moose Racing
BRM P261 (1966) (#1966) F1 1966 15 +5.608
97.510mph
11 +1L
96.346mph
24 1:54.144
97.945mph
Goodyear  
Billy Nobrakes
 Black Night Racing
Brabham BT11 (Climax 2.7) (#1966) F1 1966 12 +4.973
98.053mph
12 +24.364
95.511mph
24 1:53.922
98.136mph
Goodyear  
francesco
 Soggy Bottom Racers Club
Ferrari 246 (#1966) F1 1966 13 +4.975
98.052mph
13 +55.982
94.448mph
24 1:54.158
97.933mph
Firestone  
PaulV
 Blue Moose Racing
Ferrari 246 (#1966) F1 1966 16 +10.353
93.635mph
14 +2L
91.608mph
23 1:56.361
96.079mph
Firestone  
Ziu Bacubacu
  OLD SCHOOL RACING TEAM
Ferrari 246 (#1966) F1 1966 5 +2.036
100.646mph
15 +23L
96.447mph
2 1:52.380
99.482mph
Camshaft
Firestone  
Cookie
 Antipasti Racing
Brabham BT11 (Climax 2.7) (#1966) F1 1966 7 +3.284
99.528mph
16 +24L
92.730mph
1 1:57.837
94.875mph
Disco
Goodyear  
4 UKGPL
 
Brabham BT11 (Climax 2.5) (#1966) F1 1966 17 DNS ---
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Goodyear  

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All Stop & Go's were complied with.
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« Reply #15 on: July 22, 2020, 08:02:21 AM +0100 »

Gained 1 position at the start but after 2 laps Hoffman overtaken me and then no possible for me to compete with leaders, too much quickly, so my race is focused on the Policardi distance for some laps, until I had enough advantage
Lotus Climax maybe is not the best car but his setup is not bad in this track, i have just adjusted gears and differential, not easy to run in safe mode with this malefic polos  laugh
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« Reply #16 on: July 22, 2020, 08:21:30 AM +0100 »

@Billy and moderators

As expected many drivers have overstepped the white lines, for this reason I had asked for this
I know we all are here for fun and this is not work of course  Smiley, but the fun sure would be better if we all are in the same conditions, because drivers that pay attention at track limit were few.. specially in practice, most drivers did the best lap with many times crossed the lines, and not only best lap but in all their times

Unfortunately Mexico always has this problem (in other sims also) and every time there's a race here the problem is the same
If I can make a suggestion for future, the best way IS NOT CONSIDER the white lines at all, as it was in real, because in a single lap is possible to cross the lines 9/10 times
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« Reply #17 on: July 22, 2020, 08:54:02 AM +0100 »

After a nudge at T1 that sent me into the barriers, and a complete comedy of errors with Billy as we both tried to get our cars facing the right way and back onto the tarmac, we were both a looooong way adrift at the back of the field. The only plus point was that I still had 25 laps to try and catch up  Undecided.

It was a long chase and there were times when I wondered if I would ever catch another car!! 6th place was probably the best that I could have achieved from that miserable start.

I was aware of the "white lines" issue and during qually ( and also during the race ) I tried laps where I kept 2 wheels inside the lines, and other laps where I took the fastest route and cut the corners. I reckoned that the time gained was worth up to 3 secs a lap if I really maxed out the corner cutting, but still stayed off the grass.

There were some laps where I exceeded the white lines even when trying to be "good", simply because I ran too deep into corners or tried to catch a slide. There is no doubt that by far the fastest way around here is to exceed the white lines, much as F1 does today with the kerbs etc.

Whatever the arguments for, or against, the nominal track limits, I think that it would be an impossible task to monitor all cars for all laps and to penalise those who crossed the lines. Turning on the "track limits" would probably result in zero finishers as it is so easy here to go a little too deep, or because you have compromised your line by a poor entry into the first corner of a complex you are running too tight, or too wide, for the next corner.
Maybe if there are enough people interested we could run a fun race with the track limits active....that would be quite illuminating  Roll Eyes

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« Reply #18 on: July 22, 2020, 09:51:45 AM +0100 »

... After that I had a momentary lapse in concentration and I spun twice; then all of a sudden Andreas and David Rainier were all over my gearbox. I thought I'd be a sitting duck on the long straight but I just did enough to hold onto my place over the last 3 laps.


I tried hard to get you there, but you were concentrated and fast enough to maintain your position. Congratulations on that.
Also congratulations to the podium and all the Finishers.  thumbup1
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« Reply #19 on: July 22, 2020, 10:00:35 AM +0100 »

As GPL tries to be as historic correct as possible I vote for driving as they did in 1965-66-67-68-69

1965
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KzLjhuyH-XM
1968
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=umJ4AbCfhd4

I was totally confused in quali and never had a clean lap... so I threw it away in first lap and left frustrated.
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« Reply #20 on: July 22, 2020, 03:07:53 PM +0100 »

I suppose that it was supreme folly to endeavour to obey the 'white line' rule but a rule is a rule is a rule.  I knew perfectly well that the vast majority of runners would ignore it even to the point of taking to the grass to improve lap times.  Tsk, tsk...  Based on performances pre-race where the rule wasn't even in force compared to my race day run where I did my level best to obey the rule, I was capable of lap times fully two seconds per lap faster.

Try as I might to avoid going over the white line with more than two wheels, I scored some laps over the line.  One in qualifying...my Lap04...and seven instances in the race.  Yes, I did review my entire race with an eye to evaluating my run.  None of my steps over the line were of a nature to improve performance.  All were due to errors of placement.  My main fault lay in negotiating the right-hander finishing the esses section where I logged the majority of my white line faults.

IMO, it was a rule that was impossible to police let alone enforce with penalties.
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« Reply #21 on: July 22, 2020, 03:26:05 PM +0100 »

Hi all  Smiley


I will also control my entire race because I respected as much as possible (except for a trajectory error) the racing instructions which I recall in passing was to keep 2 wheels inside the track marked by the WHITE lines and suddenly penalized my speed.
A regulation is made to be applied, if not it is useless.
Would you agree that I am in group 1, that I choose a group 9 car for example ?  Shocked

It takes away the interest in the race.  Undecided


I ask to be declared WINNER of this race  Grin
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« Reply #22 on: July 22, 2020, 04:39:40 PM +0100 »


I ask to be declared WINNER of this race  Grin

HA HA right!
Alain, I saw some drivers in qualifing (replay) and you and me are the drivers (but sure somebody else) that not cross the lines specially in the best lap, impossible to see all race but many have gone beyond
So it's OK, pole position is mine and second place in race behind you  lol lol
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« Reply #23 on: July 22, 2020, 06:28:38 PM +0100 »

Thanks for the well mannered and polite discussions on this contentious issue.

The debate about the track boundary goes back a long way but the existing rule (bullet point 11 under the General section on this page) has its origins in the post race debate about an incident at 0h02m39s in this race on 27/03/2012. Basically two cars were fighting for position. One car left the track and on re-joining contact was made. Hence a definition a definition of what constitutes leaving the track (and hence the track boundary) had to be made.

We have also had numerous debates about corner cutting and driving outside the track limits which is a problem at some tracks (e.g. Dijon-Prenois 7/12/2010) and we have some penalty guidelines which try to address this issue.

We are here to have fun and so we don't want to be over burdened by too many rules but equally the races are no fun if they are a free for all and there are no guidelines or racing etiquette to follow.

I don't want to have different rules for different tracks, we have enough rules. However the rules need to be interpreted in the context of the track we are driving. Perhaps at Mexico I should have said the track boundary is the edge of the tarmac and allow drivers to have a couple of wheels on the grass on the corners where there are no polos? However it is too late now but hopefully OK for next time.

I hope everyone enjoyed the race (with the possible exception of Cookie, very sorry about that). Please continue to raise any issues like this in future races, it is only by having a sensible debate can we ensure the racing is fun, fair and enjoyable for everyone.
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« Reply #24 on: July 23, 2020, 11:18:44 AM +0100 »

Thanks Alessandro

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Hello Phill

Thank you for taking our remarks into account but don't worry, it's already very nice to organize the races for all of us.
My race was very interesting because there was a big challenge for me with respect to my car supplier, The EAGLE CAR COMPANIE Smiley

After my deco of the first round, I had to ride well.
I had a good fight with 2 Brabhams, I still have the heat of their engines on my face when they overtake me. Smiley


Finishing 5th is a good result for me, thank you all and see you soon.

Grats to the podium

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« Reply #25 on: July 23, 2020, 12:37:24 PM +0100 »

After my decoration of the first round ...


Decoration ?
Légion d'honneur ?  Cheesy
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« Reply #26 on: July 23, 2020, 02:59:26 PM +0100 »

After my decoration of the first round ...


Decoration ?
Légion d'honneur ?  Cheesy

 Cheesy


After my disconnection from the first race

Sry Dave, translation no good  Tongue
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« Reply #27 on: August 01, 2020, 05:18:11 PM +0100 »

As GPL tries to be as historic correct as possible I vote for driving as they did in 1965-66-67-68-69

1965
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KzLjhuyH-XM
1968
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=umJ4AbCfhd4

I was totally confused in quali and never had a clean lap... so I threw it away in first lap and left frustrated.


Sideways Gurney in the McLaren 68 race  punk
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« Reply #28 on: September 23, 2020, 10:19:44 PM +0100 »

Mod report published.
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