UKGTL Season 21 1973 Australian Touring Cars - Bathurst - Dec 1

[Geoffers]

Then a dust cloud indicated trouble for Geoffers, letting me inherit 2nd.  Didn't look too bad, so surprised to see him leave shortly after. Replay shows him losing control in weird way at the cork screw, so maybe the car was damaged after all.

The initial crash was all my fault,  just took the corner too quick but I am sure the second incident at the corkscrew was to do with the FFB. The previous lap I seemed to lose all FFB feel over the mountain for a couple of seconds & it felt similar when I had the second off,  but there could have been some car damage too which contributed. When you expect some resistance & there isn't any then you tend to steer too much. I think there is some conflict between the FFB info coming from the game & what it is making the wheel do. That is why I asked what in-game setting others were using. It isn't the wheel because it works perfect in RRE & AC.

[phspok]

I have "TX Wheel"

[Geoffers]

So you just use 'Wheel' in the Basic Effects menu. This maybe where I am going wrong because I think I still have it set on Momo Force in the specialised effects section, which is possibly causing an issue.

I have just asked on Fanatec's forum if there are any recommended settings for GTL.

[Daz9]

I'll check what I am running Geoff, but I think I am doing the same as I was with the older GT3RS wheel on the (now not so) current Clubsport V2.5, which is using the Momo Force preset that you have selected. I tried the others but they gave me some odd effects. GTL doesn't seem to like the drift setting on the Fanatec to be too high, I have settled at minus 1, but for RRE using the game preset in the Fanalab software it changes it to minus 2 I think.

Are you using full effects? I've got it on medium effects but with 100% strength as the full effects did introduce a lot of OTT chatter to me.

Couldn't race last night, got massive problems getting the house infrastructure right for tomorrow as we exchange contracts then. Currently have had no heating or hot water for 6 days as we try to get to the bottom of several gas and boiler issues, and had both a gas engineer and the utility company around last night.

[phspok]

I've looked at other installs (I have a few) and they all are set to Wheel
Sometimes when I do a new install, I get little or no FFB, and I have in the past
set to sidewinder, or others, and eventually I get some FFB by changing the settings

This is on my TM. I probably have the same on my G25, but that's 40 miles away.

[EvilClive]

Thus far, totally no reaction to my 2 jabs ( I suspect that I was one of the 30% getting placebos   ) But maybe the booster will knock me flat?

@ Geoffers. I am posting this from my laptop, but when do I fire up my rig I will try to remember and post the settings that I have both on the TM software and within GTL. I'm still not totally sure that I have the optimum settings, but it is certainly better than when I started  .

Interesting that you also have some weird FF effects as I struggled with that for quite some time. I still have to hit ALT/F sometimes to kick in the FF ( last night it vanished when we started quali and I had to prompt it ). Totally agree with you that trying to drive sans FF is like waving a stick at the steering !!
It is ONLY within GTL that this happens, GPL and other games are fine 100% of the time.
The only other issue that I can recall is that in the early days after installing my wheel/shifter/pedals etc I would fire up GTL and I might have 2 out of 3 elements operational. However, I did notice that I was maybe over eager in pushing my PC to launch into Windoze at the BOOT screen by typing my PW at the earliest possible moment. The wheel would go through it's start up as windoze was launching as per normal, but on one occasion I was scratching my head ( or maybe it was my a** ) and I noticed that the initial splash screen with the PW box flashed off and on again as if some software was initialising.
Every time I have waited for that quick blip, all elements appear to work OK, if I try and be too damned quick I sometimes get a problem. It might be my imagination, but maybe the TM/Fanatec hardware/software needs to be awake before Win 10 boots to desktop?
Probably someone with more computer knowledge will tell me I am spouting total bo**ocks, but I offer it in good faith lol!

[Davor Mirkovic]

Just dropped by to say hello, after seeing some familiar names here. I am glad to see that GTL is still alive. I haven't raced for at least 10 years now, but had so much fun back in the day in GBGPL and GBGTL leagues.

[Wiltshire Tony]

Just dropped by to say hello, after seeing some familiar names here. I am glad to see that GTL is still alive. I haven't raced for at least 10 years now, but had so much fun back in the day in GBGPL and GBGTL leagues.

Hi Davor, your last GTL race here was in Oct 2009. Nice to hear from you after so long.

[Hristo Itchov]

Glad you're feeling better, Tony. I had a sore arm from the jab too and a bit of an issue with my throat, but nothing more than that. I guess it's individual.

Also DD told me he's doing better today, so good news on that front too.

As for the race, I think my main advantage was that I lucked on a setup that suddenly made the car very smooth to drive, with almost no sudden change of direction, except under braking at 2-3 corners, but even then it was easy to correct on time. Especially for the race, I made a few modifications just before the start and they worked like a charm.

I was taking it a bit easy early on, as I wanted to look after the tyres, but unfortunately the others had issues and dropped back. I decided to just push afterwards and get it over with. 20 laps on my own felt rather long. The last 2 laps were tricky as my tyres were so far gone by then and I had a few offs as a result.

Grats to Erling and Matt for the podium, and commiserations to Geoff for retiring. I wish we had another close battle (for the championship too) with him and DD like we had at Adelaidesomething, but sadly it didn't happen.

In pre race praccy, I dipped into the 2:15s for the first time, and was surprised to see myself closely grouped with Geoffers & Hristo.  Come qualy, the latter was soon back to his otherworldly self, posting a suitably unbelievable 2:12 time.  Would have loved to see a replay of that.

Erling, here's my pole lap exported as highlights from my stream - https://www.twitch.tv/videos/1221960905

I think using 2nd for even the slowest corners is actually quicker, but very difficult to get right, as the revs drop so much and you get extra understeer going into the corners, so perhaps there are still a few tenths left on the table at T1 and last corner.

If anyone's interested in the setup, you can see it on my full stream recording as I make those final changes before the race.

[Geoffers]

Thanks for your feedback guys, I will try your suggestions.

As far as the seemingly momentary loss of FFB, it only happened last night, at Montlhery on Monday it was fine. The other main problem is the steering oscillating on straights, initially it was so bad that if I let go of the wheel the car would go completely out of control. I have calmed that by adjusting the inertia, friction & damping, not totally eliminated it but the car continues straight if I let go of the wheel.

Can I ask Daz, after selecting your preset in the Fanatec software do you shut the software down or leave it running? And no I am not running the effects at full, like you I found it a bit too clattery, I think I am on high now. One other thing, I am still using the Clubsport pedals plugged into the PC separately but the Fanatec software will not open until I have unplugged them. It will then open & recognise the wheel & when I plug the pedals back in it recognises them too, odd. I have now bought a cable to connect them to the wheelbase & will try it that way after tonight's RRE race.

[SpecialKS]

Result

[Wiltshire Tony]

Result

Thanks Kurt 

[Daz9]

The other main problem is the steering oscillating on straights, initially it was so bad that if I let go of the wheel the car would go completely out of control. I have calmed that by adjusting the inertia, friction & damping, not totally eliminated it but the car continues straight if I let go of the wheel.

Can I ask Daz, after selecting your preset in the Fanatec software do you shut the software down or leave it running? And no I am not running the effects at full, like you I found it a bit too clattery, I think I am on high now. One other thing, I am still using the Clubsport pedals plugged into the PC separately but the Fanatec software will not open until I have unplugged them. It will then open & recognise the wheel & when I plug the pedals back in it recognises them too, odd. I have now bought a cable to connect them to the wheelbase & will try it that way after tonight's RRE race.

Geoff, I don't have to open the Fanatec wheel software at all for any of the games unless I feel the need to check to see if the calibration is working. And I open none at all for GTL, it is that old now that there are no presets for it. Do you have the pedals in a USB 2 or 3 port? This is still the Clubsports from me I guess? You can go to the wheel via whatever the port is on the new wheel you have, but it will always be worse resolution on the pedal if it is not going direct to USB. However, if it means it works seemlessly than it is an option for sure...I never saw that issue you describe in all honesty, but will happily offer any help I can give Geoff.

The other software I do use on the newer games is the Fanalab software that gives the chance to load presets for FFB etc for the newer games, and download plenty of them also if you choose to. It has nothing for GTL as said.

https://forum.fanatec.com/categories/fanalab

I do like this software, nice GUI and is useful.

I use this to load up wheel and pedal presets for RRE, Dirt and Dirt 2.0, PCars2 and ACC, I think AC is also in the list but have not opened that for what feels like years....The presets I have found in there work very nicely indeed on those newer titles, and are incredibly easy to load etc. You can also launch any of those games from the Fanalab interface. I do have to manually put the wheel back to GTL setup if I load another preset for another game though, which is not too difficult in all honesty as I do that via the wheel itself on the WRC rim I use.
For GTL I have the following on the wheel
800 degrees
50% feedback strength
Virtually all other settings are at 100
Drift is the only other setting I have to adjust, sometimes I run this at -1 in GTL, but sometimes that feels like it centres too violently and I turn it to 0 if so. Feels uber smooth at that point, which on some car/track combos isn't quite right either, so that setting then goes back to -1. The preset in Fanalab puts it on -2 for RRE.....

[Erling G-P]

Glad you're feeling better, Tony. I had a sore arm from the jab too and a b

In pre race praccy, I dipped into the 2:15s for the first time, and was surprised to see myself closely grouped with Geoffers & Hristo.  Come qualy, the latter was soon back to his otherworldly self, posting a suitably unbelievable 2:12 time.  Would have loved to see a replay of that.

Erling, here's my pole lap exported as highlights from my stream - https://www.twitch.tv/videos/1221960905

I think using 2nd for even the slowest corners is actually quicker, but very difficult to get right, as the revs drop so much and you get extra understeer going into the corners, so perhaps there are still a few tenths left on the table at T1 and last corner.

Thanks Hristo, impressive stuff - and grats on winning the Championship most convincingly!

Can see you exploiting the entire track better than I was able to, and being flat out over one of the hills where I had to lift or else lose control.  I used 2nd for all the slow corners, but had to be really careful not to brake too late and overshoot, as that really made the revs drop too low.

[Hristo Itchov]

Thanks Hristo, impressive stuff - and grats on winning the Championship most convincingly!

Can see you exploiting the entire track better than I was able to, and being flat out over one of the hills where I had to lift or else lose control.  I used 2nd for all the slow corners, but had to be really careful not to brake too late and overshoot, as that really made the revs drop too low.

Thanks!

I was also struggling going over the top of the hill fast right-left combination, even if I lifted up, but some changes to the setup for my final qualifying run and then additional ones before the race, seemed to transform the handling of the car through that section. I guess it was about finding the balance so it transitions smoothly as the weight shifted around and also prevent the car from suddenly changing direction when you touch the grass. At the same time I didn't want to have too much understeer. Using lower diff power, softer rear dampers and staying at high revs in 3rd gear, seemed to do the trick.