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February 10, 2021, 08:32:08 PM +0000 - Goodwood (Circuit) - UKGTL Season 21 1964 British Saloon Car Champ.
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 Team
Nat. Make Model Class Qualifying Race
Tyres Pos Time/Gap Pos Time/Gap Laps Stops Best Retirement
reason
Ballast
EvilClive
 Blue Moose Racing
Ford Falcon Sprint 351 (#991) GTC-65 2 +0.055
101.829mph
1 17:06.900
100.023mph
12 1:23.724
102.234mph
Goodyear  
Erling G-P
 TEAM-GTLDK
Ford Falcon Sprint 351 (#41) GTC-65 1 1:24.002
101.896mph
2 +3.107
99.721mph
12 1:24.230
101.620mph
Goodyear  
Dimitar Dulichki
 Turbo Racing
Lotus Cortina (#961) TC-65 D2 3 +4.191
97.054mph
3 +44.659
95.854mph
12 1:27.964
97.307mph
Dunlop  
Wiltshire Tony
 Toyland Racing
Alfa Romeo Giulia Super (#15197) TC-65 D2 5 +6.163
94.931mph
4 +1:11.402
93.520mph
12 1:30.018
95.086mph
Pirelli  
Daz9
 
Jaguar MkII (#9) TC-65 D2 6 +6.300
94.787mph
5 +1:14.099
93.291mph
12 1:30.335
94.753mph
Dunlop  
roguk
 Clark-Hill Racing
Alfa Romeo Giulia Super (#15197) TC-65 D2 4 +5.423
95.717mph
6 +1:17.548
93.000mph
12 1:29.642
95.485mph
Pirelli  
MichaW
 
Austin Mini Cooper 1275S (#590) TC-65 D2 7 +6.421
94.660mph
7 +1:24.894
92.386mph
12 1:30.523
94.556mph
Dunlop  
Paddler
 
Ford Anglia Super (#24) TC-65 D2 9 +7.032
94.025mph
8 +1:26.680
92.237mph
12 1:31.128
93.928mph
Dunlop  
misnoimis
 
Lotus Cortina (#924) TC-65 D2 10 +7.585
93.457mph
9 +1:36.133
91.461mph
12 1:31.601
93.443mph
Dunlop  
phspok
 Team Pseudo Racing
Jaguar MkII (#71) TC-65 D2 11 +8.712
92.321mph
10 +1L
89.942mph
11 1:32.164
92.872mph
Dunlop  
AndyL
 
Ford Anglia Super (#66) TC-65 D2 13 +9.520
91.524mph
11 +2.959
89.689mph
11 1:33.421
91.623mph
Dunlop  
SpecialKS
 TEAM-GTLDK
Jaguar MkII (#71) TC-65 D2 12 +9.101
91.936mph
12 +22.486
88.051mph
11 1:32.918
92.119mph
Dunlop  
seniordan
 Soggy Bottom Racers Club
Jaguar MkII (#81) TC-65 D2 14 +9.695
91.353mph
13 11 1:32.306
92.729mph
DQ
Dunlop  
Geoffers
 Kerb Crawlers
Jaguar MkII (#7) TC-65 D2 8 +6.887
94.175mph
14 +6L 6 1:31.329
93.721mph
unknown
Dunlop  
February 10, 2021, 09:12:18 PM +0000 - Goodwood (Circuit) - UKGTL Season 21 1964 British Saloon Car Champ.
Driver
 Team
Nat. Make Model Class Qualifying Race
Tyres Pos Time/Gap Pos Time/Gap Laps Stops Best Retirement
reason
Ballast
Erling G-P
 TEAM-GTLDK
Ford Falcon Sprint 351 (#41) GTC-65 2 +0.013
102.047mph
1 17:00.227
100.677mph
12 1:23.898
102.022mph
Goodyear  
EvilClive
 Blue Moose Racing
Ford Falcon Sprint 351 (#991) GTC-65 1 1:23.865
102.063mph
2 +1.893
100.491mph
12 1:23.770
102.178mph
Goodyear  
MichaW
 
Ford Falcon Sprint 351 (#66) GTC-65 3 +0.834
101.058mph
3 +26.735
98.106mph
12 1:24.507
101.287mph
Goodyear  
Paddler
 
Alfa Romeo Giulia Super (#15197) TC-65 D2 4 +4.385
96.991mph
4 +52.264
95.771mph
12 1:28.125
97.129mph
Pirelli  
phspok
 Team Pseudo Racing
Alfa Romeo Giulia Super (#15128) TC-65 D2 6 +5.835
95.423mph
5 +1:12.386
94.007mph
12 1:29.500
95.637mph
Pirelli  
roguk
 Clark-Hill Racing
Alfa Romeo Giulia Super (#15197) TC-65 D2 5 +5.510
95.770mph
6 +1:13.800
93.886mph
12 1:29.700
95.423mph
Pirelli  
misnoimis
 
Lotus Cortina (#924) TC-65 D2 8 +6.375
94.852mph
7 +1:24.604
92.968mph
12 1:30.571
94.506mph
Dunlop  
fpolicardi
 Team7
Lotus Cortina (#955) TC-65 D2 9 +6.525
94.695mph
8 +1:31.626
92.381mph
12 1:29.949
95.159mph
Dunlop  
Geoffers
 Kerb Crawlers
Jaguar MkII (#7) TC-65 D2 11 +7.007
94.193mph
9 +1L
91.907mph
11 1:30.965
94.096mph
Dunlop  
Wiltshire Tony
 Toyland Racing
Jaguar MkII (#81) TC-65 D2 13 +8.662
92.508mph
10 +15.150
90.567mph
11 1:32.255
92.781mph
Dunlop  
Daz9
 
Jaguar MkII (#9) TC-65 D2 10 +6.560
94.658mph
11 +16.971
90.409mph
11 1:30.261
94.830mph
Dunlop  
AndyL
 
Ford Anglia Super (#66) TC-65 D2 15 +9.693
91.488mph
12 +18.117
90.310mph
11 1:32.370
92.665mph
Dunlop  
seniordan
 Soggy Bottom Racers Club
Jaguar MkII (#81) TC-65 D2 12 +7.893
93.283mph
13 +30.219
89.273mph
11 1:31.433
93.615mph
Dunlop  
Dimitar Dulichki
 Turbo Racing
Austin Mini Cooper 1275S (#590) TC-65 D2 7 +6.023
95.224mph
14 +36.904
88.711mph
11 1:29.614
95.515mph
Dunlop  
SpecialKS
 TEAM-GTLDK
Jaguar MkII (#71) TC-65 D2 14 +9.678
91.503mph
15 +1:06.830
86.278mph
11 1:32.639
92.396mph
Dunlop  
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« on: December 03, 2020, 11:22:08 AM +0000 »

Championship standings HERE

Grid/server capacity: 22

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International Trophy Race Meeting - St. Mary’s Trophy
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Track: Goodwood

Car restrictions: Drivers are limited to a maximum number of drives per Class. For more information please click HERE

RACE ONE
Practice: ~19:20 (60 mins)
Qualifying: 20:20 (10 mins) Drivers must not leave qualifying to change car make.
Race: 20:30 (12 laps)

RACE TWO
Practice/Car change: ~20:50 (5 mins)
Qualifying: 20:55 (10 mins) Drivers must not leave qualifying to change car make.
Race: 21:05 (12 laps)

Time of Day Setting: 14:00
Start: STANDING
Tyre wear: Normal
Fuel consumption: Normal

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« Reply #1 on: February 05, 2021, 03:36:25 PM +0000 »

Mmmm, just went to test the Jag out around here for next weeks race &............. I cannot get it around St Marys without it flipping over. Anyone else tried it yet & having the same problem. Looks like I will have to try another car & save the Jag for somewhere else. Undecided
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« Reply #2 on: February 05, 2021, 04:45:05 PM +0000 »

I did similar..........but my top team of crack technicians set about trying to fix the problem. They had limited success  Roll Eyes
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« Reply #3 on: February 05, 2021, 05:49:51 PM +0000 »

I can confirm Geoffer's issue.
I think Tony uses the wonderful skins & the physics of ervin58's "GTL Jaguar Mk. II. real mod 1.0"
(https://www.evolution-modding.net/t1517-gtl-jaguar-mk-ii-real-mod-1-0?highlight=jaguar)
which in fact has this particuler issue.
I did offline races with 30 cars or so and in the first corner about 10 cars flipping over.
Maybe combining the skins with the original physics or just using the original tyres could solve the problem.

edit: @Tony - totally forgot about that. I worked on solving the issue during summer 2019 for my private pleasure and wrote in a.m. thread:
 
Indeed - lowering the center of gravity is a possibility to eliminate or at least reduce the issue described above.

But the center of gravity is not it's cause.

As I was motivated to find the cause of the issue I played around a bit this afternoon:

I tried to replace step by step single lines in the 'general' section of the hdc by data from the original GTL MKII
and then replaced the tyres without any change.
Then I looked at the 'suspension' section of the hdc and compared it with the original GTL MKII and found
significant differences.

I'm not really deep in this topic so I decided to go back to ervin58's hdc file for keeping most of his changes ('high pressured tyre' and the complete 'general' section) and simply but completey replaced the 'suspension' section in the hdc by the original GTL specs and added the original GTL MKII sp file to the car.

That obviously solved the problem. Cars running fine now. I made this change first for the 3.8 only
and left the 4.2 as it was with the effect that only the 4.2 still had that issue.

I don't know, what exactly causes the problem but it was definitely in the 'suspension' section of the car and/or in the sp file.


edit2: Replacing of sp and tyr files with the original ones is necessary!
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« Reply #4 on: February 05, 2021, 10:27:11 PM +0000 »

Thanks Kurt (although no one need to know about your private pleasure  Wink )

I'll have a test tomorrow and report back.

EDIT: I have now tested the car using original MkII tyres and suspension. No great improvement in pace but the car no longer tries to turn turtle at anything resembling a tight turn, although it does still lean a lot. But this can be offset by some setup tweaking I fancy.

I will pm a patch later this afternoon.

Thanks to Kurt for his detective work  detective
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« Reply #5 on: February 07, 2021, 11:52:24 AM +0000 »

Does this explain why the Jag was such an ox-cart at Snetterton? The handling was IMHO woeful and the body lean was closer to  Citroen 2CV than a classic British performance saloon.

 I had decided to use it and "get it out of the way" after trying  the Jag and 3 other cars during the afternoon prior to the race.
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« Reply #6 on: February 07, 2021, 12:08:36 PM +0000 »

I didn't find it too bad at Snetterton after some setup tweaks. I certainly didn't roll it like at Goodwood.

It's still an Ox cart tho  Roll Eyes
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« Reply #7 on: February 07, 2021, 12:52:00 PM +0000 »

I think the problem with Goodwood is it has quite a high grip level. I had a similar, although not quite as bad, problem with the Toyota Corolla we used in last year's 83ETCC series when I tested it at Goodwood. That would sometimes flip over if I took St Mary's too quick.

The Jag seemed fine at Snetterton & was fairly quick there, it isn't so competitive at Goodwood, I can get the Mini around nearly 2s faster.
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« Reply #8 on: February 07, 2021, 04:24:23 PM +0000 »

Do we have to change cars between race one and race two ?
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« Reply #9 on: February 07, 2021, 06:08:19 PM +0000 »

Do we have to change cars between race one and race two ?
No, It's your choice to change or stick. As long as your car roster has free cars your good to go.
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« Reply #10 on: February 08, 2021, 11:10:22 AM +0000 »

IMPORTANT

Race length increased to 12 laps.
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« Reply #11 on: February 10, 2021, 10:11:21 PM +0000 »

Race results and replays now posted.
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« Reply #12 on: February 11, 2021, 10:28:50 AM +0000 »

Well, Race 1 was a little bit boring. The Sprints were too fast in front of me and the other cars behind me slower. So i finish in P3 without having a chance for something more.

For Race 2 i decided to save the Cortina for the later stages of the tournament in the last moment and decided to drive the Mini without having a single lap twith it on Goodwood.

I had great pace but, boy, the car had so much oversteer on braking. I was unable to control the car there and made at least 4 big mistakes that at the end let to P14.

Congrats to Clive nad Coyote on their wins and to Coyote, Clive and Micha on their podium finishes.

Race replay: https://youtu.be/UVUbubngGzg
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« Reply #13 on: February 11, 2021, 12:11:00 PM +0000 »

I decided on the Lotus for race 1 as it was pretty predictable to drive.

My race went well until the last lap at St Marys. I was being pressured by Micha, I think it was, driving a Mini very quickly though the twisty parts of the circuit. I was determined not to make a mistake as I could hold him on the straights if I got a good exit from the corners. I spent a microsecond too long checking my mirror to cover a possible dive down the inside and out-braked myself. Driving about fifty plus yards on grass slows you down and I lost two places trying to defend one. Apart from that moment I enjoyed the race.

I decided to take the Lotus again for race 2 to see if I could do it a bit more justice. I made a slight setup tweak. I don't know if it was that or if I just drove it better but I was a little quicker in the second race. Early in the race I had a Mini and another Lotus just behind me coming out from the chicane. Half way down the straight I was about to pull over to line up for turn one but on checking my mirror couldn't see the Mini so checked left and was surprised to see it along side me so I had to slow more than usual to take the inside line keeping the fast Mini on my outside (I think it was Dimitar). He went wide onto the grass and Fulvio in the other Lotus got a faster exit and passed me. I followed him comfortably for a lap or so but just when I was thinking about a possible passing stratergy I think he must have picked up his pace and I was struggling to hang on. Then his car suddenly froze on the track in front of me I lifted but he disappeared momntarily only to reappear on the grass. Very strange, a computer glitch I guess. That was the end of any intense racing. I had enough of a margin to maintain a good pace and bring the car home behind two Alfa's who were just a bit too quick for me. I would have liked a bit more racing with flavio or someone but nevertheless an enjoyable race.

Congrats to winners, podiums and all. clap clap clap
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« Reply #14 on: February 11, 2021, 12:17:37 PM +0000 »

After sorting my pedal problem I was hoping for a couple of competitive outings in the Jag, however it didn't all go as planned. Joined practice & had just completed a couple of laps when the game froze & my PC shut down & restarted all by itself.  Undecided

OK, try again. All seemed fine during the rest of practice & qually, quite happy with my qually although Daz was around half a second faster in his Jag. Race started & was in the hunt on lap 1 but ran wide at Madgwick on lap 2 & went off again at St Mary's, so now right at the back. Picked off one or two cars before both Dan & Matt threw their Jags off the road elevating me to 2nd in class but way behind Daz. Then the game froze again & my computer again restarted itself. I had a Win10 update in the afternoon, coincidence Huh

I was then a bit wary of rejoining for race 2 in case it did it again & ruined someone else's race. Decided to see how qually went, if it happened again during that, then I would skip the race. Qually though went OK, still half a second slower than Daz Roll Eyes. Race started quite well, after disputing the class lead with Tony (where did Daz go?), I managed to get ahead & then Daz appeared behind me! Held him off for 3-4 laps until I ran a little wide at St Mary's & let him through. Resigned myself to class runner-up spot, but then Daz went off at Woodcote & I was back in front with a 9s cushion, so just had to keep it on track & hope the PC held up to take the class win, luckily it all worked out. Grin

Congrats to Clive & Erling on their victories & to all the other class winners.  clap clap clap
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