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  • U4SNm - Valencia GP: October 31, 2006
October 31, 2006, 09:00:09 PM +0000 - Valencia (GP) - UKGTR Season 4 Sprint NGT Masters
Driver
 Team
Nat. Make Model Class Qualifying Race
Tyres Pos Time/Gap Pos Time/Gap Laps Stops Best Retirement
reason
Ballast
Jeffrey
 Team Shark
Porsche 993 GT2 NGT 1 1:32.628
95.918mph
1 40:42.375
90.943mph
25 1:34.064
94.454mph
Dunlop +60.0kg
james
 Racin24-7
Porsche 993 GT2 NGT 3 +1.383
94.507mph
2 +14.168
90.419mph
25 1:34.908
93.614mph
Dunlop +60.0kg
greg130
 28CD Motorsports
Porsche 993 GT2 NGT 4 +1.399
94.491mph
3 +14.611
90.403mph
25 1:35.002
93.521mph
Dunlop +60.0kg
Martin Steinmetz
 28CD Motorsports
Ferrari 360 GTC NGT 5 +1.615
94.275mph
4 +18.485
90.260mph
25 1:34.768
93.752mph
Pirelli +30.0kg
CeeJay
 GTN Drivers Club
Ferrari 360 GTC NGT 2 +1.314
94.577mph
5 +18.611
90.256mph
25 1:34.796
93.725mph
Pirelli +30.0kg
Radius
 Racin24-7
Porsche 996 GT3-RSR NGT 6 +1.772
94.118mph
6 +31.048
89.802mph
25 1:35.411
93.120mph
Michelin +50.0kg
locutos ukgtr
 28CD Motorsports
Porsche 993 GT2 NGT 8 +1.968
93.923mph
7 +37.356
89.573mph
25 1:35.580
92.956mph
Dunlop +60.0kg
Dan Minton
 Team RVS
Porsche 996 GT3-RSR NGT 14 +2.952
92.956mph
8 +50.045
89.117mph
25 1:35.678
92.861mph
Michelin +50.0kg
baracus250gt
 Racin24-7
Ferrari 360 GTC NGT 16 +2.992
92.917mph
9 +54.019
88.975mph
25 1:35.713
92.827mph
Pirelli +30.0kg
Simon Gymer
 Team Shark
TVR Tuscan T400R NGT 13 +2.847
93.058mph
10 +55.806
88.912mph
25 1:36.328
92.234mph
Dunlop -40.0kg
Truetom
 Legends Racing
Porsche 996 GT3-RSR NGT 12 +2.757
93.146mph
11 +1:24.218
87.912mph
25 1:36.272
92.288mph
Pirelli +50.0kg
Aagramn
 Team Shark Junior
BMW M3 GTR NGT 15 +2.989
92.920mph
12 +1:25.879
87.854mph
25 1:36.827
91.759mph
Michelin +80.0kg
NoSpeed
 RS Motorsport
Porsche 996 GT3-RSR NGT 9 +2.240
93.653mph
13 +1:27.756
87.789mph
25 1:36.091
92.461mph
Michelin +50.0kg
Paul968
 Kerb Crawlers
Porsche 996 GT3-RSR NGT 7 +1.888
94.002mph
14 +1:31.641
87.654mph
25 1:35.433
93.099mph
Michelin +50.0kg
popabawa
 Legends Racing
Porsche 996 GT3-RSR NGT 19 +3.320
92.599mph
15 +1:34.866
87.543mph
25 1:37.420
91.200mph
Pirelli +50.0kg
LEUVEN
 CBFR
Gillet Vertigo Streiff NGT 17 +3.101
92.811mph
16 +1L
87.252mph
24 1:36.708
91.872mph
Dunlop -70.0kg
mo
 Kerb Crawlers
Porsche 996 GT3-RSR NGT 20 +3.640
92.291mph
17 +9.150
86.927mph
24 1:36.132
92.422mph
Michelin +50.0kg
Carl Hart
 Racin24-7
Ferrari 360 GTC NGT 11 +2.652
93.248mph
18 +55.696
85.308mph
24 1:35.472
93.061mph
Pirelli +30.0kg
PaulW
 Legends Racing
BMW M3 GTR NGT 23 +5.374
90.659mph
19 +1:29.740
84.162mph
24 1:38.983
89.760mph
Michelin +80.0kg
Filipe Galego
 Sonic Racing Team
Ferrari 360 GTC NGT 24 +6.266
89.841mph
20 +2L
82.565mph
23 1:39.149
89.610mph
Pirelli +30.0kg
Pedro[PL]
 28CD Motorsports
Ferrari 360 GTC NGT 10 +2.423
93.473mph
21 +45.428
81.077mph
23 1:35.724
92.816mph
Pirelli +30.0kg
enz13_gt
 
Mosler MT900R NGT 25 +8.513
87.845mph
22 23 1:38.766
89.957mph
fuel
Dunlop -20.0kg
ivansmiven
 28CD Motorsports
Ferrari 360 GTC NGT 22 +5.286
90.740mph
23 +3L 22 1:37.870
90.781mph
unknown
Pirelli +30.0kg
Luis Branco
 Sonic Racing Team
Ferrari 360 GTC NGT 18 +3.306
92.613mph
24 +12L 13 1:36.374
92.190mph
unknown
Pirelli +30.0kg
Mark J
 Legends Racing
Porsche 996 GT3-RSR NGT 21 +3.828
92.112mph
+25L 0 ---
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DQ
Pirelli +50.0kg

Moderator's Report

Server replay time: 1065s

Aagramn is following NoSpeed into the final turn and as they brake both cars get out of shape resulting in some contact. Both cars are slowed and Pedro who is following behind manages to just squeeze through as the two cars bounce off each other.

  • Racing incident


Server replay time: 1404s

Leuven is chasing Aagramn and as they enter turn 5 Aagramn gets a bit out of shape and runs wide onto the kerbing. Leuven moves to the inside but Aagramn gets even more out of shape on the kerbing and slides into Leuven's path resulting in contact.

  • Racing incident


Server replay time: 2300s

Paul968 has closed up on Popabawa and has been pressuring him for several corners. As they exit T5 Pops stays to the left of the track and Paul moves to the right, which is the outside line for the following left hander T6.
As they reach the braking point Popabawa moves across to the righthand side of the track to get a wider line for the turn. Paul is planning on braking late and going around the outside and cannot slow in time and taps Pops in the rear sending him off.

This incident is complicated by the fact that the racing line does move across the track at this point and Pops took the corner as he had done on previous laps.
I'm almost inclined to view this one as a racing incident except for two things:
Popabawa'a move across the track is quite sudden and, even though he mostly follows the racing line, this is not an advisable thing to do when being challenged from behind.
This was Paul's first time behind Pops for T6 and should have exercised more caution until he had seen what kind of lines Pops was using.

  • Paul968caution — contact with Popabawa
  • popabawacaution — choose a definite racing line before the braking point


Server replay time: 2507s

Truetom is rejoining in the final curve after having an off and cuts into the path of the approaching Aagramn. Good foresight and some heavy braking by Aagramn is all that prevents an accident here as Truetom moves further and further across the track onto the racing line.
Drivers are reminded that when rejoining the track after going off line, you must stay off the racing line until back up to speed.

In this case it was Truetom's haste to get back up to speed, causing him some power oversteer, and it was this that moved him across onto the racing line. So I am reducing what would normally be a penalty to a warning.

  • Truetomwarning — careless rejoin
    For advice only - unreported by victim, so penalty disregarded


Server replay time: 2530s

Truetom goes wide in the chicane and ends up sliding across the gravel. Something in the gravel trap flicks his car up and sideways into the path of Aagramn and there is side contact resulting in Aagramn going off.

  • Racing incident

SimRacing.org.uk Lap Records
GTR2
NGT
1:32.628
95.918mph
Jeffrey
Qualifying
Porsche 993 GT2
+60.0kg
October 31, 2006, 09:00:09 PM +0000
U4SNm
GTR2
NGT
1:34.064
94.454mph
Jeffrey
Race
Porsche 993 GT2
+60.0kg
October 31, 2006, 09:00:09 PM +0000
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« Reply #75 on: November 01, 2006, 02:03:04 PM +0000 »

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I wasn't offended, what made you think that? As I've said before, there is nothing wrong with people posting their opinions.

It wasnt meant for you Aagramn, it was just bad timing wth you posting just before i did  Wink

It was more aimed at those who jump down my throat if i (or anyone) try and raise an issue and then give me haughy responses like i am an irritation and shouldnt dare question things...this is a 'forum' after all.  Kiss  As i've said before, i have huge respect for you guys that run this monster but it doesnt mean we will agree on everything and besides we all need a bit of niggle to keep the racing spicy !.

I personally dont like my Porker bloated out but i totally understand what SRoUK are trying to achieve.  angel Its simbin who should hang for not sorting out racing ballast individually.
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« Reply #76 on: November 01, 2006, 02:12:39 PM +0000 »

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So a bit like someone driving the Mosler in GTR1 then as that uses 35% more fuel than the other cars anyway. whistling

another one missing the point  Roll Eyes ...You took the Mosler because of its individual characteristics i presume?..like you did the Morgan, because although on paper it maybe an inferior car to the porsche, in your more than capable hands you could still race competitively against them, whereas, if say, i had driven the Morgan with my slightly less capable hands Embarrassed  i would have floundered around the back of the grid, but if you had that V8 Mosler with a nice 50kg taken off its weight, you would have blown us all away instead of some good close racing...i suspect Undecided and we in the Porsches/fezzas might have cried 'foul'
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« Reply #77 on: November 01, 2006, 02:35:42 PM +0000 »

but if you had that V8 Mosler with a nice 50kg taken off its weight, you would have blown us all away instead of some good close racing...i suspect Undecided and we in the Porsches/fezzas might have cried 'foul'

Now, this is what I don't understand. If we'd had a spec racing series, like, ooh, the Elise Cup, and somebody who is clearly a quicker driver blows you away, nobody bats an eyelid. But we use a bit of ballast to even the cars up and suddenly slower drivers cry foul because they're being beaten? I don't think so! Anyway, he'd have just switched to the Vertigo and blown you away anyway! Tongue

Nobody is adding anything to the discussion any more. We're just going round in circles on the basis of two races at one circuit in one class. Bored now!
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« Reply #78 on: November 01, 2006, 02:44:58 PM +0000 »

for craps sake, i am not even complaining about somebody beating me in any car. Get off your high horses for once  Angry its other people who are twisting my original posts around in their own superior way. Roll Eyes I tried to raise some valid questions with regarding the effects of the ballast on an endurance event (or even sprint distance) and dared to say i didnt like the way a general ballast application affected individual car characteristics and all i get is sh*tty responses from the usual suspects.

Bored?..yeah too f*ing true. As usual case closed.
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« Reply #79 on: November 01, 2006, 04:40:26 PM +0000 »

Hmm intersting discussion from first race....

I see your point on the Elise race, and so the drivers winning should of been penalised with weight penalties and whilst simbin still did not implement it it can be done running the game on the server, then weights can be distributed per driver, takes about 2 miins.

I see Ruskus won in the Porsche GT2, I wouldn't mind betting he took that at the last minute or did it with 50% throttle as it is much faster and shouldn't be in the same category. Not a dig mate just an observation. Also M3 & 350Z should not even be in the class as they are only 24hr cars.

Fastest drivers should have the penalties not the car types, perhaps this could be worth looking into, it creates more work on race night but will be much fairer IMO.

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« Reply #80 on: November 01, 2006, 04:57:51 PM +0000 »

I see your point on the Elise race, and so the drivers winning should of been penalised with weight penalties and whilst simbin still did not implement it it can be done running the game on the server, then weights can be distributed per driver, takes about 2 miins.

Only if you can run the full game on the server and not the dedi. We can't because the server doesn't have a DX7-capable card - such servers are considerably more expensive than the one we use.

Only the rFactor dedi server allows proper control over penalty ballast.
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« Reply #81 on: November 01, 2006, 04:59:41 PM +0000 »

Since we're clearly not discussing the event any more, this thread is locked and a new one started specifically to discuss the ballast pack.
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