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July 14, 2021, 08:27:00 PM +0100 - Karlskoga - UKGTL Season 21 Gislaved Cup
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 Team
Nat. Make Model Class Qualifying Race
Tyres Pos Time/Gap Pos Time/Gap Laps Stops Best Retirement
reason
Ballast
byagm
 
Jaguar E-Type (#10) GTC-65 1 1:13.201
74.451mph
1 17:16.258
73.629mph
14 1:13.400
74.249mph
Dunlop  
Hristo Itchov
 Turbo Racing
Aston Martin DB4 GT (#420) GTC-65 2 +0.183
74.266mph
2 +3.165
73.405mph
14 1:13.140
74.513mph
Dunlop  
Dimitar Dulichki
 Turbo Racing
Jaguar E-Type (#820) GTC-65 3 +0.599
73.847mph
3 +10.054
72.921mph
14 1:13.569
74.079mph
Dunlop  
Geoffers
 Kerb Crawlers
Ferrari 250GTO (#3589) GTC-65 4 +2.183
72.295mph
4 +20.152
72.224mph
14 1:14.136
73.512mph
Dunlop  
phspok
 Team Pseudo Racing
Jaguar E-Type (#584) GTC-65 6 +4.148
70.459mph
5 +1:02.124
69.465mph
14 1:16.077
71.637mph
Dunlop  
seniordan
 Soggy Bottom Racers Club
Aston Martin DB4 GT (#420) GTC-65 5 +2.918
71.597mph
6 +1:02.223
69.458mph
14 1:15.880
71.823mph
Dunlop  
Wiltshire Tony
 Toyland Racing
Aston Martin DB4 GT (#77) GTC-65 8 +6.256
68.589mph
7 +1:07.870
69.103mph
14 1:16.340
71.390mph
Dunlop  
EvilClive
 Blue Moose Racing
Ferrari 250GTO (#4219) GTC-65 7 +4.416
70.215mph
8 +1:11.937
68.849mph
14 1:16.325
71.404mph
Dunlop  
Robby82
 Turbo Racing
Aston Martin DB4 GT (#420) GTC-65 9 +13.954
62.531mph
9 +2L
61.672mph
12 1:20.869
67.392mph
Dunlop  
July 14, 2021, 09:01:56 PM +0100 - Karlskoga - UKGTL Season 21 Gislaved Cup
Driver
 Team
Nat. Make Model Class Qualifying Race
Tyres Pos Time/Gap Pos Time/Gap Laps Stops Best Retirement
reason
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Hristo Itchov
 Turbo Racing
Ferrari 250GTO (#3589) GTC-65 3 +0.063
73.738mph
1 17:21.833
73.235mph
14 1:13.346
74.304mph
Dunlop  
byagm
 
Ferrari 250GTO (#3527) GTC-65 2 +0.056
73.745mph
2 +0.727
73.184mph
14 1:13.291
74.360mph
Dunlop  
Geoffers
 Kerb Crawlers
Aston Martin DB4 GT (#420) GTC-65 1 1:13.846
73.801mph
3 +11.567
72.431mph
14 1:13.799
73.848mph
Dunlop  
Dimitar Dulichki
 Turbo Racing
Ferrari 250GTO (#3527) GTC-65 4 +0.305
73.497mph
4 +28.537
71.282mph
14 1:13.369
74.281mph
Dunlop  
phspok
 Team Pseudo Racing
Aston Martin DB4 GT (#333) GTC-65 5 +2.033
71.824mph
5 +49.457
69.916mph
14 1:15.209
72.463mph
Dunlop  
Wiltshire Tony
 Toyland Racing
Jaguar E-Type (#12) GTC-65 6 +3.822
70.169mph
6 +1:23.281
67.814mph
14 1:16.838
70.927mph
Dunlop  
Robby82
 Turbo Racing
Ferrari 250GTO (#4219) GTC-65 7 +11.995
63.488mph
7 +3L 11 1:28.016
61.919mph
unknown
Dunlop  
EvilClive
 Blue Moose Racing
Jaguar E-Type (#830) GTC-65 8 +6L 8 1:17.139
70.650mph
unknown
Dunlop  
seniordan
 Soggy Bottom Racers Club
Ferrari 250GTO (#3527) GTC-65 9 +7L 7 1:16.250
71.474mph
DQ
Dunlop  
July 14, 2021, 09:37:16 PM +0100 - Karlskoga - UKGTL Season 21 Gislaved Cup
Driver
 Team
Nat. Make Model Class Qualifying Race
Tyres Pos Time/Gap Pos Time/Gap Laps Stops Best Retirement
reason
Ballast
byagm
 
Aston Martin DB4 GT (#77) GTC-65 1 1:13.175
74.478mph
1 17:19.589
73.393mph
14 1:13.273
74.378mph
Dunlop  
Hristo Itchov
 Turbo Racing
Jaguar E-Type (#830) GTC-65 2 +0.245
74.229mph
2 +0.047
73.390mph
14 1:12.997
74.659mph
Dunlop  
Dimitar Dulichki
 Turbo Racing
Aston Martin DB4 GT (#77) GTC-65 3 +0.606
73.866mph
3 +1.415
73.293mph
14 1:13.156
74.497mph
Dunlop  
Geoffers
 Kerb Crawlers
Jaguar E-Type (#58) GTC-65 4 +0.817
73.655mph
4 +25.388
71.643mph
14 1:13.508
74.140mph
Dunlop  
phspok
 Team Pseudo Racing
Ferrari 250GTO (#4219) GTC-65 5 +2.304
72.204mph
5 +32.244
71.185mph
14 1:14.838
72.823mph
Dunlop  
seniordan
 Soggy Bottom Racers Club
Jaguar E-Type (#58) GTC-65 6 +2.454
72.061mph
6 +36.748
70.887mph
14 1:14.839
72.822mph
Dunlop  
Wiltshire Tony
 Toyland Racing
Ferrari 250GTO (#3505) GTC-65 7 +3.792
70.808mph
7 +1:03.208
69.186mph
14 1:16.657
71.095mph
Dunlop  
Robby82
 Turbo Racing
Jaguar E-Type (#830) GTC-65 9 +24.780
55.637mph
8 +2L
60.105mph
12 1:23.480
65.284mph
Dunlop  
EvilClive
 Blue Moose Racing
Aston Martin DB4 GT (#338) GTC-65 8 +3.816
70.786mph
9 +4L 10 1:15.104
72.565mph
unknown
Dunlop  
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« on: December 04, 2020, 02:03:55 PM +0000 »

Championship standings HERE

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Track: Karlskoga (Gellerasen)

Cars: Aston Martin DB4, Ferrari 250 GTO, Jaguar E-Type

Car restrictions: One drive maximum per make/per night. You decide which race you enter which make in.

RACE ONE
Practice: ~19:20 (60 mins)
Qualifying: 20:20 (5 mins) Drivers must not leave qualifying to change car make. One attempt at a timed lap only
Race: 20:25 (14 laps)

RACE TWO & RACE THREE will follow, with same rules

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« Reply #1 on: July 14, 2021, 01:14:13 PM +0100 »

Such a tricky little track! Did some serious practice with the Aston just now and had to go about in a different direction than usual with the setup. Best is a 1:13.500 so far.

Time to have a go in the Ferrari now. I'll upload the setups for all 3 cars after I'm done.
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« Reply #2 on: July 14, 2021, 01:45:38 PM +0100 »

OK, all 3 cars setups uploaded to the online database. It took much less time to set up both the Ferrari and Jaguar, but perhaps it's because I already knew the track better after the Aston run.

So far the Jaguar is the fastest for me, surprisingly, with a 1:13.257. Ferrari is almost as fast as Aston, with a 1:13.540
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« Reply #3 on: July 14, 2021, 02:47:42 PM +0100 »

Thanks Hristo. These setups will help massively. I'll test in a minute.
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« Reply #4 on: July 14, 2021, 04:44:07 PM +0100 »

Thanks for posting your setups Hristo. I only tried your one for the Ferrari because I am always well off the pace in that & you are super quick in it. Well I must be missing something because I could not get below 1.16 with it  & was over 2s slower than with my own setup!!! I was hoping it would show where my setup was lacking but no such luck. I have posted my setup online if anyone wants to give it a try.
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« Reply #5 on: July 14, 2021, 06:03:56 PM +0100 »

Thanks for posting your setups Hristo. I only tried your one for the Ferrari because I am always well off the pace in that & you are super quick in it. Well I must be missing something because I could not get below 1.16 with it  & was over 2s slower than with my own setup!!! I was hoping it would show where my setup was lacking but no such luck. I have posted my setup online if anyone wants to give it a try.

I think it's down to the lines and acceleration points through some of the corners. They don't seem so intuitive at first, but somehow deliver a lap time. I've uploaded my hotlap replays for the best times in each of the cars, if you and anyone else want to have a look:

https://we.tl/t-MeYR6I3oA1
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« Reply #6 on: July 14, 2021, 06:26:44 PM +0100 »

Hristo's setups are great but too oversteery for me. So i made some changes and here is what i have at the moment: 13.4 with Aston and 13.6 with Ferrari and Jag.

All setups uploaded if someone wants to take a look.
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« Reply #7 on: July 14, 2021, 10:21:50 PM +0100 »

Results and replay now posted.

EDIT: Just spotted errors. I'll see if I can fix things.

Now fixed  Roll Eyes
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« Reply #8 on: July 15, 2021, 09:57:11 AM +0100 »

Grats to the usual aliens  on the podiums.

These 3 race evenings are good fun and thanks to Tony for organising.

At last, after all my recent probs I was beginning to feel that I was regaining some decent race pace in GTL. I also downloaded Hristo's setups, but just like DD I find all of his setups far too oversteery and twitchy, so a few adjustments to "soften" them and things got better. I enjoyed several laps actually feeling that I was involved in a race again.

One thing that I did alter ( something which I have rarely looked at ) was the STEERING SENSITIVITY within the GTL CONTROLS menu. It was set at 100% on my PC and I dropped it to 65%, which made a noticeable difference to the handling ( or my ability to control it ) and then to 50% which was even better. So, that raises the question about what settings Hristo ( or anyone else posting setups ) is using as it appears to make a huge difference. I also backed off the ACCELERATOR setting to around 60% and that certainly smoothed out the snap oversteer out of the corners.

As each race unfolded I would tweak the sensitivity settings and discovered that they have a much bigger effect that I ever anticipated. I even managed a 1:15.01 best lap which was around 3 secs better than my practice times, so something was working.

One question that I do have is about FF within GTL? I did not make any adjustments to the FF  settings for any of the races. But, the steering on the Jag in Race 1 was quite light...Race 2 in the Fezza was the same in Quali, but at the start of the Race the FF load trebled and I was struggling to apply full lock on the tight corners....Race 3 in the Aston and we were back to similar levels as the Jag ??

It would make sense that the setup can affect the feel of the FF, but as all of Hristo's setups were similar I wonder if anyone else experienced similar weird effects??
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« Reply #9 on: July 15, 2021, 12:12:30 PM +0100 »

Grats to the usual aliens  on the podiums.

These 3 race evenings are good fun and thanks to Tony for organising.

At last, after all my recent probs I was beginning to feel that I was regaining some decent race pace in GTL. I also downloaded Hristo's setups, but just like DD I find all of his setups far too oversteery and twitchy, so a few adjustments to "soften" them and things got better. I enjoyed several laps actually feeling that I was involved in a race again.

One thing that I did alter ( something which I have rarely looked at ) was the STEERING SENSITIVITY within the GTL CONTROLS menu. It was set at 100% on my PC and I dropped it to 65%, which made a noticeable difference to the handling ( or my ability to control it ) and then to 50% which was even better. So, that raises the question about what settings Hristo ( or anyone else posting setups ) is using as it appears to make a huge difference. I also backed off the ACCELERATOR setting to around 60% and that certainly smoothed out the snap oversteer out of the corners.

As each race unfolded I would tweak the sensitivity settings and discovered that they have a much bigger effect that I ever anticipated. I even managed a 1:15.01 best lap which was around 3 secs better than my practice times, so something was working.

One question that I do have is about FF within GTL? I did not make any adjustments to the FF  settings for any of the races. But, the steering on the Jag in Race 1 was quite light...Race 2 in the Fezza was the same in Quali, but at the start of the Race the FF load trebled and I was struggling to apply full lock on the tight corners....Race 3 in the Aston and we were back to similar levels as the Jag ??

It would make sense that the setup can affect the feel of the FF, but as all of Hristo's setups were similar I wonder if anyone else experienced similar weird effects??

I had no choice about the setups, because it seemed the only way to extract speed from the car around this slow twisty track was to drift the cars around a bit more than usual.

As for speed sensitivity, you should always set that to 0, otherwise your steering ratio is going to change with speed, making steering less sensitive as you go faster. It's mostly used with gamepads and joysticks, to help control the direction of the car better without having to be too precise. It's not necessary with a steering wheel though, unless you're using one of those cheap ones with limited degrees of rotation.

As for the FFB, for the Jaguar I have to increase the FFB strength and for the Ferrari I usually lower it a bit. Haven't noticed any difference between Q and R though.

EDIT: Oops, I was thinking of speed sensitivity but you meant steering. As Geoffers said bellow, setting it to 50% is best for perfect linearity.
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« Reply #10 on: July 15, 2021, 12:22:03 PM +0100 »

Quite enjoyed the cars/track combo but apart from a few laps trying to fend off the attentions of Alvaro & Hristo in race 2, not the most exciting races. I seem to have settled into a bit of a no-mans-land where I am off the pace of the aliens but too fast for the mortals leading to some rather tame races.

Congrats to Alvaro, Hristo & DD on their podiums.  clap clap clap

Clive, common procedure is to have all control sensitivities set to 50% as apparently that gives a linear response. Also yes I agree that the steering on the Ferrari is a little heavier than the other two cars although not to the extent you mentioned. Odd though that it only occurred in the race. Huh
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« Reply #11 on: July 15, 2021, 01:17:05 PM +0100 »

Here still exist a G25 Steering-Wheel-Guide (back from 2008):

http://www.gt-legends.dk/GTLDK/showthread.php?37-G25-Steering-Wheel-Guide-deutsch-english

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« Reply #12 on: July 15, 2021, 02:13:26 PM +0100 »

Thanks for the feedback guys

I suspect that Hristo is referring to the SPEED SENSITIVE STEERING slider ?, which I have always had at zero for the very reasons that he mentions. The sliders that I was referring to were the independent ones for Steering/Accelerator/Brake/ Clutch.

Geoffers' comment regarding the 50% position of the control input sliders makes absolute sense in view of what I experienced in the races. How they ever got to the 85%-95% levels before last night, I do not know.

However, I think I need to delve into the FF a little more as something is clearly not quite right there. Slightly re assuring to discover that different cars/setups DO have an effect and adjustments need to be made to the FF levels with each car to compensate. I assume that Geoffers is not referring to the Steering Ratio in the setup, but to the actual FF levels on the main menu?
I need to check whether I have "allowed" the game to change settings or if I have the Thrustmaster software overriding it all, as that could be where the anomaly lies?

I had not made any adjustment to the FF either within the Thrustmaster software or within GTL after booting up my rig or throughout the 3 races. The Jag and the Aston were too light and had no "weight" to the steering but the Ferrari was OK during Q, but about twice as heavy as anyone would want during the race. Somewhere in between these extremes is where I want to be.

@ Kurt.... I have finally dumped my trusty old G25 and now I am using a shiny new Thrustmaster T300 wheel and pedals. But, just to complicate my simracing even further, I have been given a new ( still in the box!!) set of 3 Fanatec pedals (with the load cell type brake pedal) to try and keep if I like them.
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« Reply #13 on: July 15, 2021, 03:15:54 PM +0100 »

I used to just stick to the default FFB settings of GTL, but for several months now I've been using DD's FFB tweaks that he found somewhere else, so perhaps he could link them again for you to try, Clive.
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« Reply #14 on: July 15, 2021, 04:01:23 PM +0100 »

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