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  • A17 DTM Oschersleben: January 06, 2021
January 06, 2021, 10:38:04 AM +0000 - Oschersleben (GP) - UKAC Season 17 DTM
Driver
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Nat. Make Model Class Qualifying Race
Tyres Pos Time/Gap Pos Time/Gap Laps Stops Best Retirement
reason
Ballast
Manteos
 Virtual Drivers Alliance
Alfa Romeo 155 DTM 1 1:37.814
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1 24:55.268
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15 1:38.423
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Michelin +11.0kg
Lokanas
 
BMW M3 E30 DTM DTM 4 +0.946
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2 +19.251
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15 1:39.584
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Michelin  
FullMetalGasket
 Black Night Racing
Mercedes 190 Evo2 DTM 2 +0.152
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3 +27.747
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15 1:39.248
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Michelin +6.0kg
Fabri Fibra
 Magnesium Team
Alfa Romeo 155 DTM 3 +0.705
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4 +32.938
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15 1:39.078
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Michelin +11.0kg
Syd Drake
 Drake Racing
Alfa Romeo 155 DTM 8 +1.733
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5 +35.317
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15 1:40.783
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Michelin +11.0kg
Mark J
 Legends Racing
BMW M3 E30 DTM DTM 6 +1.006
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6 +35.624
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15 1:40.531
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Michelin  
notbernie
 
Ford Sierra Cosworth RS500 DTM DTM 12 +2.430
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7 (+1) +38.750
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15 1:39.225
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Dunlop +20.0kg
L4de
 
Alfa Romeo 155 DTM 13 +2.687
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8 +46.551
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15 1:40.855
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Michelin +11.0kg
kaifos
 HDR Racing
BMW M3 E30 DTM DTM 9 +2.013
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9 +51.824
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15 1:40.479
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Michelin  
Jos Ogos
 
Alfa Romeo 155 DTM 16 +3.993
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10 +56.138
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15 1:40.354
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Michelin +11.0kg
spanner
 Prodigy Racing
Mercedes 190 Evo2 DTM 10 +2.091
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11 +56.827
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15 1:40.448
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Michelin +6.0kg
IbnSolmyr
 
Ford Sierra Cosworth RS500 DTM DTM 11 +2.321
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12 +1:03.195
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15 1:40.167
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Dunlop +20.0kg
SRW
 Prodigy Racing
Ford Sierra Cosworth RS500 DTM DTM 14 +3.147
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13 +1:17.624
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15 1:41.251
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Dunlop +20.0kg
Bob
 WSL Racing Team
BMW M3 E30 DTM DTM 14 +1:28.334
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15 1:40.617
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Michelin  
KDiesel
 
BMW M3 E30 DTM DTM 15 +3.734
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15 +1:32.386
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15 1:41.782
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Michelin  
SmokingSteelGarage
 
Ford Sierra Cosworth RS500 DTM DTM 5 +1.006
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16 +3L
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12 1:38.874
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Dunlop +20.0kg
Stefan aka Postal
 Legends Racing
BMW M3 E30 DTM DTM 7 +1.171
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17 +9L
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6 1:40.162
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Michelin  
Lorenzo Galluzzi
 Soggy Bottom Racers Club
Mercedes 190 Evo2 DTM DNS ---
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Michelin +6.0kg
vva_avv
 
BMW M3 E30 DTM DTM ---
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Michelin  
azaris
 
Mercedes 190 Evo2 DTM ---
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Michelin +6.0kg

Moderator's Report

Server replay time: 267s

Mark (notbernie) has a run on Kimi approaching Triple (T4-6) on lap 3 but backs out of a pass at the 1st of the 3 corners.
Kimi looses the back end of his car enough to run wide and slow more than normal in the mid part of T4, so Mark takes an opportunity to sneak up the inside.
Kimi's car then regains grip, and as it's pointing sharper left cuts back into the space Mark is in the process of filling.

Although Kimi had momentarily lost control and left an opening, the blame for the contact in this instance must lie on Mark as he had not achieved any significant overlap before contact.

With more overlap or a greater loss of control by Kimi this would likely have become classed a racing incident, however the pass as it stands was a little too optimistic.

I have reduced the penalty from the recommended 2 places down to 1 - this is because the severity of the contact was primarily caused by the angle at which Kimis' car 'gripped up' again as opposed to anything intentional by Mark.

SimRacing.org.uk Lap Records
Assetto Corsa
DTM
1:37.814
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Manteos
Qualifying
Alfa Romeo 155
+11.0kg
January 06, 2021, 10:38:04 AM +0000
A17DTM
January 06, 2021, 10:41:53 AM +0000 - Oschersleben (GP) - UKAC Season 17 DTM
Driver
 Team
Nat. Make Model Class Qualifying Race
Tyres Pos Time/Gap Pos Time/Gap Laps Stops Best Retirement
reason
Ballast
Manteos
 Virtual Drivers Alliance
Alfa Romeo 155 DTM 1 1 24:52.923
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15 1:38.397
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Michelin +11.0kg
FullMetalGasket
 Black Night Racing
Mercedes 190 Evo2 DTM 3 2 +4.122
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15 1:38.264
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Michelin +6.0kg
Fabri Fibra
 Magnesium Team
Alfa Romeo 155 DTM 4 3 +13.008
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15 1:39.011
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Michelin +11.0kg
SmokingSteelGarage
 
Ford Sierra Cosworth RS500 DTM DTM 16 4 +25.971
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15 1:39.257
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Dunlop +20.0kg
Lokanas
 
BMW M3 E30 DTM DTM 2 5 +30.803
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15 1:39.961
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Michelin  
Syd Drake
 Drake Racing
Alfa Romeo 155 DTM 5 6 +39.517
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15 1:39.814
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Michelin +11.0kg
IbnSolmyr
 
Ford Sierra Cosworth RS500 DTM DTM 12 7 +40.280
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15 1:40.077
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Dunlop +20.0kg
notbernie
 
Ford Sierra Cosworth RS500 DTM DTM 7 8 +40.622
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15 1:39.942
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Dunlop +20.0kg
Stefan aka Postal
 Legends Racing
BMW M3 E30 DTM DTM 17 9 +43.973
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15 1:40.056
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Michelin  
L4de
 
Alfa Romeo 155 DTM 8 10 +45.278
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15 1:40.684
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Michelin +11.0kg
Mark J
 Legends Racing
BMW M3 E30 DTM DTM 6 11 +45.623
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15 1:40.103
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Michelin  
kaifos
 HDR Racing
BMW M3 E30 DTM DTM 9 12 +46.678
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15 1:40.146
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Michelin  
KDiesel
 
BMW M3 E30 DTM DTM 15 13 +1:06.225
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15 1:41.038
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Michelin  
spanner
 Prodigy Racing
Mercedes 190 Evo2 DTM 11 14 +1:08.581
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15 1:40.795
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Michelin +6.0kg
SRW
 Prodigy Racing
Ford Sierra Cosworth RS500 DTM DTM 13 15 +2L
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13 1:40.843
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Dunlop +20.0kg
Jos Ogos
 
Alfa Romeo 155 DTM 10 16 +9L
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6 1:40.556
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Michelin +11.0kg
Bob
 WSL Racing Team
BMW M3 E30 DTM DTM 14 17 +11L
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4 1:40.261
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Michelin  
Lorenzo Galluzzi
 Soggy Bottom Racers Club
Mercedes 190 Evo2 DTM DNS ---
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Michelin +6.0kg
vva_avv
 
BMW M3 E30 DTM DTM ---
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Michelin  
azaris
 
Mercedes 190 Evo2 DTM ---
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Michelin +6.0kg
SimRacing.org.uk Lap Records
Assetto Corsa
DTM
1:38.264
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FullMetalGasket
Race
Mercedes 190 Evo2
+6.0kg
January 06, 2021, 10:41:53 AM +0000
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« Reply #30 on: January 07, 2021, 09:55:40 AM +0000 »

not sure those results are totally correct? For race 1 it shows me finishing 6 secs behind Syd whereas i was right on his boot across the line. (where i'd spent the whole race!) Also think i qualified 5th with a 1:38.5(or 6). My ptracker had smoking steel garage qualified in 6th. Syd got past me on the s/f straight due to my long 1st gear. Sad
Race 2 i started 11th behind Syd which surprised me as thought it was reverse grid for R2?

The results show you finishing 0.3 seconds behind Syd in race 1 Huh
As for the qualifying - you and Gavin managed the exact same time as far as the export and S-tracker are concerned.
http://stracker.simracing.org.uk:50041/sessiondetails?sessionid=5489#
It's possible that the game records to a greater fidelity and put you in 5th for that, but I guess LM2 just goes alphabetically.

Race 2 was not reverse grid, it says so in the series announcement, in the previous page of this thread, and in the welcome message for the race when you join the server.
In the replay you are 6th on the grid so I'm not sure why you think you were in 11th?

I think you need more coffee Tongue
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« Reply #31 on: January 07, 2021, 10:21:40 AM +0000 »

It was great racing with such a big and competative grid lads. Also good to see there didn't seem to be stupid T1 incidents.

I was happy with my qually effort but had a bad start as i was suffering from the over-exposure so could not see the start lights going out.. Angry  I certainly hope that there will be a proper fix from CM/SOL for the next races..
To make matters worse I had another blue screen at lap 6 or so and I hope none of you guys where effected by that. Still no idea what is causing it, but it happens only when playing AC. I have no problems with my other sims. Might just delete everything AC and do a clean install..

Race 2 was big fun and a big task as I had to start from ast of course. With the laptimes so close, it is very hard to pass someone. Racing was though but fair and luvely to have people to race against all race long!  Had one incident with the Texaco Eggenberger Ford when he lost it exiting Hasseroder corner and I had nowhere to go and clipped the rear bumper.
Thanks all for racing and congrats to the podium guys!

Next one seems to be a power track, so will be tough with a Beemer.
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« Reply #32 on: January 07, 2021, 10:42:57 AM +0000 »

It was great racing with such a big and competative grid lads. Also good to see there didn't seem to be stupid T1 incidents.

I was happy with my qually effort but had a bad start as i was suffering from the over-exposure so could not see the start lights going out.. Angry  I certainly hope that there will be a proper fix from CM/SOL for the next races..
To make matters worse I had another blue screen at lap 6 or so and I hope none of you guys where effected by that. Still no idea what is causing it, but it happens only when playing AC. I have no problems with my other sims. Might just delete everything AC and do a clean install..

Race 2 was big fun and a big task as I had to start from ast of course. With the laptimes so close, it is very hard to pass someone. Racing was though but fair and luvely to have people to race against all race long!  Had one incident with the Texaco Eggenberger Ford when he lost it exiting Hasseroder corner and I had nowhere to go and clipped the rear bumper.
Thanks all for racing and congrats to the podium guys!

Next one seems to be a power track, so will be tough with a Beemer.

Did you remove the lines I mentioned in the 2nd post? This track had some wierd issues for me hence I did that to my own install.

Also don't forget you can use the Home & End keys (or it might be Page Up/Page Down, I forget) to adjust contrast in game, this is a godsend in VR I can assure you Grin
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« Reply #33 on: January 07, 2021, 10:56:59 AM +0000 »

not sure those results are totally correct? For race 1 it shows me finishing 6 secs behind Syd whereas i was right on his boot across the line. (where i'd spent the whole race!) Also think i qualified 5th with a 1:38.5(or 6). My ptracker had smoking steel garage qualified in 6th. Syd got past me on the s/f straight due to my long 1st gear. Sad
Race 2 i started 11th behind Syd which surprised me as thought it was reverse grid for R2?

The results show you finishing 0.3 seconds behind Syd in race 1 Huh
As for the qualifying - you and Gavin managed the exact same time as far as the export and S-tracker are concerned.
http://stracker.simracing.org.uk:50041/sessiondetails?sessionid=5489#
It's possible that the game records to a greater fidelity and put you in 5th for that, but I guess LM2 just goes alphabetically.

Race 2 was not reverse grid, it says so in the series announcement, in the previous page of this thread, and in the welcome message for the race when you join the server.
In the replay you are 6th on the grid so I'm not sure why you think you were in 11th?

I think you need more coffee Tongue

hmm, when i posted that earlier only race 2 results were showing, when i refreshed after, race 1 had been added  Huh hence my confusion  Wink but yes was pre-coffee as well  Grin
and no, i hadnt read the bit about 2nd race grid. Stracker told me i was 11th on grid for R2 and i was a long way down the sf straight  Undecided but it was playing up in the race as well. (add-on track maybe causing that?).

Didnt know that tip about light exposure, i was struggling with over exposure too, could hardly read some race times/names and some cars had a shiny and silver sheen (rift-s)
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« Reply #34 on: January 07, 2021, 11:08:46 AM +0000 »

I don't seem to have the tire life of Matteo on Mediums, but they were still way better than the hards for over-all pace, and if I could have got in front I might have had a chance..
I guess the tire wear is hardly surprising given my driving style! ninja

I'm sure that you're right mate. I watched the replay yesterday, and despite you drove a bit more gentle on throttle than usual, your power oversteer doesn't help tire's life for sure, especially in that right corners. If you see my first stint with meds of 4th Jan (from lap 9 to 22), you will notice that my left tyres abandoned me after 8 laps. I was trying some suggestion from Fabri about power diff. at 60%, and I noticed I'd have been faster on a timed lap, but my pace after 8 laps was rubbish cause tyres were completely gone => http://stracker.simracing.org.uk:50041/sessiondetails?playerInSessionId=19241#

So I had to change something in setup, and I found that lowering the diff. to 40% caused a sensible difference in terms of tyre wear. Then I changed my lines a bit, especially in the first right hander in which you were sensibly faster. But that corner is a left tyre killer too and you can easily notice that my throttle management in that corner was a lot different by yours. With less power you can manage better your tire life keeping a constant pace until the end. Your race 2 pace was brutal, especially during the first laps, but in the last 3 or 4 laps you were clearly suffering more than me.

However, I'm sure we will have some busy time in near future, as I will get some more ballast and that will be a matter for top speed in this car. Looking forward to some nice battles Smiley

Thanks everybody for showing up. See you for the next Smiley
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« Reply #35 on: January 07, 2021, 11:11:24 AM +0000 »

not sure those results are totally correct? For race 1 it shows me finishing 6 secs behind Syd whereas i was right on his boot across the line. (where i'd spent the whole race!) Also think i qualified 5th with a 1:38.5(or 6). My ptracker had smoking steel garage qualified in 6th. Syd got past me on the s/f straight due to my long 1st gear. Sad
Race 2 i started 11th behind Syd which surprised me as thought it was reverse grid for R2?

The results show you finishing 0.3 seconds behind Syd in race 1 Huh
As for the qualifying - you and Gavin managed the exact same time as far as the export and S-tracker are concerned.
http://stracker.simracing.org.uk:50041/sessiondetails?sessionid=5489#
It's possible that the game records to a greater fidelity and put you in 5th for that, but I guess LM2 just goes alphabetically.

Race 2 was not reverse grid, it says so in the series announcement, in the previous page of this thread, and in the welcome message for the race when you join the server.
In the replay you are 6th on the grid so I'm not sure why you think you were in 11th?

I think you need more coffee Tongue

hmm, when i posted that earlier only race 2 results were showing, when i refreshed after, race 1 had been added  Huh hence my confusion  Wink but yes was pre-coffee as well  Grin
and no, i hadnt read the bit about 2nd race grid. Stracker told me i was 11th on grid for R2 and i was a long way down the sf straight  Undecided but it was playing up in the race as well. (add-on track maybe causing that?).

Didnt know that tip about light exposure, i was struggling with over exposure too, could hardly read some race times/names and some cars had a shiny and silver sheen (rift-s)

The shiny sheen is the bug I mentioned in Post #2. It's track specific and something to do with shaders patch. If you delete the parts I mention it turns back into a normal functional track - nothing to do with VR and won't be fixed through the in game adjustment buttons.
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« Reply #36 on: January 07, 2021, 05:54:57 PM +0000 »

As I said earlier, I'm not a fan of these cars, nor of the needed BoP, neither of this 1st round track.
Still I think we could get some nice fun thanks to Tim's series building work.  Smiley

1st race was crap here, as my qualif, because I can't make the soft and medium tyres work so far. They're overheating too easily at the rear.
2nd race I picked the hard compound and it was better.
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« Reply #37 on: January 07, 2021, 06:18:30 PM +0000 »

Is it possible get ALL server info from now on, I mean what will be air/track temps. My tire pressures was way off when practice server was up...
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« Reply #38 on: January 07, 2021, 06:37:18 PM +0000 »

Practice server had the same settings as the race server - It's literally the same file but with the password removed and the practice/qually times extended.

If you're seeing a big change it is likely to be brake locks and extra drift while fighting people, or simply going faster as you've learnt the track better through the race.
Aside from my front right tire (as I kept locking it) all other tires were at normal pressure for me based on earlier practice.
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« Reply #39 on: January 07, 2021, 07:32:38 PM +0000 »

Is it possible get ALL server info from now on, I mean what will be air/track temps. My tire pressures was way off when practice server was up...

Same here and my times were well down and the car slid around more. I had too much expectation having practised!
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« Reply #40 on: January 07, 2021, 08:31:41 PM +0000 »

Practice server had the same settings as the race server - It's literally the same file but with the password removed and the practice/qually times extended.

If you're seeing a big change it is likely to be brake locks and extra drift while fighting people, or simply going faster as you've learnt the track better through the race.
Aside from my front right tire (as I kept locking it) all other tires were at normal pressure for me based on earlier practice.

I did several laps in practice server before and pressures was always constant so it's not that, will you put those temps anyway in next race so we all can see what to expect?
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« Reply #41 on: January 07, 2021, 10:15:52 PM +0000 »

It is that though - it's the same file.
I actually copy and paste it in order to create the practice server, there is literally nothing else I can change there.

I can put them up but it'll vary every time you run it by a few degrees from what ever I post anyway.
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« Reply #42 on: January 07, 2021, 11:28:55 PM +0000 »


I can put them up but it'll vary every time you run it by a few degrees from what ever I post anyway.

That would be nice, makes offline practice is more accurate.
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« Reply #43 on: January 08, 2021, 03:58:01 PM +0000 »

According to server manager the Ambient base temp is 24 degrees and the road differential is the recommended 9 degrees with 2 degrees of variation.

In other words the track can only vary by 2 degrees between sessions, I still think that any wildly different tire pressures last round have nothing to do with conditions and this only convinces me further.
Especially as I didn't have any difference between race pressures and practice pressures - Based on his pace I can only assume the same goes for Matteo.

This is the default setting for the server so unless I say otherwise then that's what it will be
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« Reply #44 on: January 08, 2021, 10:02:47 PM +0000 »

Based on his pace I can only assume the same goes for Matteo.


Agree Wink
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