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Question: Do you want to enter the 1955 GP championship?
Expect to enter at least 75% of races - 20 (66.7%)
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« Reply #90 on: April 29, 2021, 02:44:56 PM +0100 »

Any idea for the dead zone of the G27 steering wheel?

Ideally, you should set the dead zone as wide as possible, maybe 360 degees  (if you have joined SBRC  laugh  )


I mean by dead zone an area in a straight line where the flywheel seems to float, without force

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You need to set your translator to "English Humour".
Dave was not trying to be helpful.
ah! Sorry, Google Translate does not have this option ... Grin Wink
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« Reply #91 on: April 29, 2021, 08:21:01 PM +0100 »

Hi Christian and welcome to SBRC , Good to see Mr Loynes has taken you under his wing , ( dont forget to ask him about the ( as yet secret ) 55 mod add on's for disk brakes and DRS which we will only ever use for fun races  Grin
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« Reply #92 on: April 29, 2021, 08:30:59 PM +0100 »

Hi Christian and welcome to SBRC , Good to see Mr Loynes has taken you under his wing , ( dont forget to ask him about the ( as yet secret ) 55 mod add on's for disk brakes and DRS which we will only ever use for fun races  Grin

ok, it's drifing a bit off the registration topic,  but re: better grip - have you seen this?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8I9RzW144B8

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« Reply #93 on: April 29, 2021, 09:28:07 PM +0100 »

Hi Christian and welcome to SBRC , Good to see Mr Loynes has taken you under his wing , ( dont forget to ask him about the ( as yet secret ) 55 mod add on's for disk brakes and DRS which we will only ever use for fun races  Grin

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« Reply #94 on: April 29, 2021, 10:14:53 PM +0100 »

Hi Christian and welcome to SBRC , Good to see Mr Loynes has taken you under his wing , ( dont forget to ask him about the ( as yet secret ) 55 mod add on's for disk brakes and DRS which we will only ever use for fun races  Grin

ok, it's drifing a bit off the registration topic,  but re: better grip - have you seen this?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8I9RzW144B8

(GPL would never cheat like this!)

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« Reply #95 on: April 29, 2021, 11:03:02 PM +0100 »

ok so i have to practice a bit ... Wink

I have sent setups and replays to you for the Maserati and the Lancia. 

Very well thank you.
Any idea for the dead zone of the G27 steering wheel?
Although it is less annoying with the 55 'but for the others, it is really annoying.
I suggest the things to experiment with are:
  • The Logitech Profiler - I used to have a G25. I can't remember what settings to adjust but the Logitech software has an effect.
  • Core.ini - The "steer_ratio" setting changes the steering ratio at slow speeds but it also affects straight line stability.
  • Steering Linearity - Set this in the GPL options window - close to the linear maximum is best.
  • Steering Ratio in GPL car setup - I normally set to 9:1, lower ratios (5:1) make the steering too sensitive. Too high can give dead zone effect.
  • FFB patch - This patch eliminates the non-physics (i.e. centering and damping etc) forces and reduces the latency so that the feedback from the road wheels is easier to feel.
There isn't a single setting that suits everyone. You will need to experiment until you find a compromise you are happy with.
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« Reply #96 on: April 30, 2021, 08:27:22 AM +0100 »

I demand to know who allowed cameras into the Hiki Waza sponsored secret testing session for the Blue Moose 55 team at Imola!!!!!
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« Reply #97 on: April 30, 2021, 09:52:13 AM +0100 »

The Logi G2x FFB deadzone is hardcoded in the firmware.

At SRMZ is a long thread about it... (down ATM)

But my experience says it's less if you raise the steering bias, test it by driving a long straight line and do some weaving.
The rotation degree is 900° default, the lower you set it the bigger part of it will be the deadzone.  

I use G27 - 540° with FFB2 0-0-420(strength)
and raised my bias from 8/9 to 11-13 Cheesy
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« Reply #98 on: April 30, 2021, 11:35:00 AM +0100 »

The Logi G2x FFB deadzone is hardcoded in the firmware.

At SRMZ is a long thread about it... (down ATM)

But my experience says it's less if you raise the steering bias, test it by driving a long straight line and do some weaving.
The rotation degree is 900° default, the lower you set it the bigger part of it will be the deadzone.  

I use G27 - 540° with FFB2 0-0-420(strength)
and raised my bias from 8/9 to 11-13 Cheesy

What do you have as a setting in the Logitech profiler? GLOBAL and SPECIFIC parameters?
I put like you, but I still have almost 20 ° of dead zone in a straight line. (I test with the 65 ')

This dead zone does not exist, I believe, with other brands of steering wheel? Exact ?
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« Reply #99 on: April 30, 2021, 12:51:37 PM +0100 »

The explanations and ways to test are in SRMZ to read - when it's up again.

Afaik Logi has this fix dead zone because of the 2 motors that work with gears and would destroy each other in the middle position.
20° DZ is way too much! Just test extreme values at Monza 10k and you feel it.

Look into the readme of FFB2 patch and set it as adviced.

I left MS and only use linux where the driver is allready in the OS kernel, it works fine but has the same DZ as in windoze, so I raised the steering bias.

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Yes, direct or belt driven wheels don't have it. Even the old Momo doesnt have it because of only one motor...
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« Reply #100 on: April 30, 2021, 01:07:42 PM +0100 »

The explanations and ways to test are in SRMZ to read - when it's up again.

Afaik Logi has this fix dead zone because of the 2 motors that work with gears and would destroy each other in the middle position.
20° DZ is way too much! Just test extreme values at Monza 10k and you feel it.

Look into the readme of FFB2 patch and set it as adviced.

I left MS and only use linux where the driver is allready in the OS kernel, it works fine but has the same DZ as in windoze, so I raised the steering bias.

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Yes, direct or belt driven wheels don't have it. Even the old Momo doesnt have it because of only one motor...

yes, I have already made several tests and adjustments the only way is the centering of the rebound but that is not pleasant since it forces permanently. With modern sims, we manage to remove this area, although it is not easy with Gtl and PnG! My G27 may be a bit old now!
In 3 months, it's my birthday, I have an additional idea ... Grin
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« Reply #101 on: April 30, 2021, 01:14:01 PM +0100 »

T300 or a fanatec wheel would be my choice

BUT
Trustmaster refuses yet to work with linux  Roll Eyes  (experimental stadium of a free version is available)

My test W10 settings:

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« Reply #102 on: May 21, 2021, 08:17:50 PM +0100 »

UKGPL10 is running Dundrod but I can't join.

The race list, at the beginning of this tread, states that it should be Dundrod50 so perhaps UKGPL10 is running the wrong track?

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« Reply #103 on: May 21, 2021, 11:23:51 PM +0100 »

UKGPL10 is running Dundrod but I can't join.

The race list, at the begining of this tread, states that it should be Dundrod50 so perhaps UKGPL10 is running the wrong track?

Running with the correct version now.
Thanks for mentioning it.
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« Reply #104 on: May 22, 2021, 08:28:50 AM +0100 »

UKGPL10 is running Dundrod but I can't join.

The race list, at the beginning of this tread, states that it should be Dundrod50 so perhaps UKGPL10 is running the wrong track?

Running with the correct version now.
Thanks for mentioning it.

No problem and thanks for the server.
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