UKGPL Season 38 - CanAm Fun Races - Road America - Dec 27

[Rainier]

I agree the 66 start could have been a bit slower, but I think the important factor is a constant speed. Slowing down to let people catch up causes more problems than it solves.

And the 71 start could have been a bit faster and without slowing down.

At least 2 times, I was almost like Montoya vs Schumacher under Monaco's tunnel in 2004.

[Alain Maurice]

Hi all

Good morning all.

Thank you for organizing this event.

I used a 60fps exe last night with a patch installed that makes it nightfall while racing.
See here https://www.grandprixlegends.fr/forum/gpl-les-mods/brouillard-ou-pas-de-brouillard?scrollto=4840770
Jani Posta's post. 

Result, 2 places lost because you no longer have the same braking spots, which shows that this has an impact on our behavior on the track, so I find it very interesting for simulation. 

See you soon

[maddog]

I found a fast car in the first race.  It's new, more powerful engine sound was working well, but I was lucky to finish so well.  Both Phil and Lasse dematerialized together while ahead.

Second race practice ended as the first, with chauffeuring myself into the pitlane.  Both cars then sat in the pits, while everyone waited.  Embarassing, so I took my turn to hit 'escape' by accident . . . grumble!

[Cookie]

I agree the 66 start could have been a bit slower, but I think the important factor is a constant speed. Slowing down to let people catch up causes more problems than it solves.

And the 71 start could have been a bit faster and without slowing down.

At least 2 times, I was almost like Montoya vs Schumacher under Monaco's tunnel in 2004.

I 100% agree David,

the idea was to pull the field apart by the faster speed and not to compress the field by such deceleration.

[Lasse Albrecht]

I have neither been the leading driver in a rolling start yet nor have I ever been part of a rolling start in general, but I think my mistakes in the buildup to the start have let all participants know what do to and what not to do when being the leader in this particular scenario, therefore I guess that my shortcomings had somewhat of a learning effect. To my defense I must say that during the second start phase I was afraid that something might have happened behind, and I really didn't want the race to get underway like this, though it should be none of my business to care about what's behind if it wasn't my fault, which it never is if I always hold a decent speed consistently.

[Enrique Farina]

Thirty minutes before qualifying for the CA66 race I somehow managed to lose my CA71 driver. I'd boot the CA71 race and a few seconds later it would crash to desktop. Rebooting didn't help. I deleted everything associated with CA71 and recreated it from scratch. In my haste and irritation I also deleted the setups, so I guessed at what I'd created in the last few days. It appears that I didn't do a very good job of that.

I enjoy the race, but some drivers need to drive clean, It is not allowed to change career lines more than twice, and some people do it so as not to give up the overtake, and thus generate accidents.

This comment is directed at me, and I'll accept that my driving lines in the CA71 race were, given a hopeless setup, ill-suited to competition. I think all might have been well tonight if Enrique hadn't rear-ended Greg and put the two of them behind me on L1. I did my best not to interfere with anyone's overtaking, and no one managed to rear-end me but Enrique. The idea that I was deliberately blocking him is laughable. Anyone from oAo who knows me --- and Enrique was a teammate of mine in 2019 --- knows that I wouldn't block a determined fart. Maybe if he'd just find a way to qualify ahead of me and keep his car on the track, we wouldn't be having this discussion.
   yes pepe, We were partners in oAo and it was very good.
  In relation to the accident with Greg, I accepted my mistake, and I apologized for all the means I had and for having, I don't know if I read them, it was a big mistake of mine and I feel bad about it.
  But that is very alien to the way you handle against me and anyone who sees the replay will see that you stopped me before and you zigzagged, to make my life impossible, and it was 4 times in the course of the race that you reach and me you were taking the limit of generating an accident until you achieved it, I would like anyone to see the replay and say what they saw in that attitude, yours against me, I do not want to think that it is racism, because it is very far that I thought something like that, that is mentally weak, but if you had it, strong against me.
  So do not come to say that I drive dirty because it is not like that, pepe, we were teammates but it does not mean that you lean on that, to accuse me of taking you out, if you were the one who generated that.
   full stop and I hope next time you drive cleaner.

Now having said that, the fact that after retiring his car he took the trouble to send out a lengthy chat message during the race objecting to my driving has to rank as one of the rudest things I've ever seen in an online race.  

[Enrique Farina]

not to much to say, funny races, for this bored day, :-9
   ,Gregory's return I tarnished it  in mod 71, I crash him car in lap 1 and destroy your race, so sorry greg,
  I enjoy the race, but some drivers need to drive clean, It is not allowed to change career lines more than twice, and some people do it so as not to give up the overtake, and thus generate accidents
  I hope in the championships, the handling is cleaner.
  cya next year guys and happy new year
 

Enrique, remember for next season : "No chat during race and qually" !
  no problem rainer, not happen again.

[Rainier]

  no problem rainer, not happen again.

   Thanks Enrque !

[Pepe Higdon]

I do not want to think that it is racism, because it is very far that I thought something like that, that is mentally weak, but if you had it, strong against me.

I suppose it's only a question of time before you discover that I'm also Hitler's illegitimate son. But you're attributing to malice what is more easily explained by ineptitude. You're a better driver than I am. In GPL Rank you're -51. I'm -7.2. Isn't that a clue as to where we stand in this rubble? You need to realize that I'm going to make mistakes that will distress drivers like you. I'm doing my best out there and, as I explained, in the second race I had a car that I was unable to control well. It was an unfortunate combination of circumstances, not ill will.

There's also this: You were having a remarkably ugly day yourself. In 45 minutes of racing you rear-ended three different drivers, parked your car in the middle of a lap in the CA71 race, and fired off a long, rude chat message that hammered the frame rates of every driver still on the track. I get that neither of these fun races was much fun for you, but if you're going to be on the same track with drivers significantly inferior to you, I'd recommend you find a way to deal with them other than by calling them racist pendejos.

[Phil Thornton]

Gentlemen, I think it is time to calm things down a little. We are all here to have fun and whilst part of that is being competitive, after all an uneventful race would be boring, there comes a point where a minor disagreement spills over into a full blown argument. That is why we have the court system, disagreements can be settled amicable by the moderating staff. However, given that this was a fun race the court should really be unnecessary.

I don't want to have to go through the replay to try to sort this out, I'm trying to concentrate on getting Season 38 up and running so we can all have an enjoyable season. However, I can say this was an experiment to see how feasible a full season of CanAms would be. There are obviously unique challenges these cars present. Notably, stability under power and braking which coupled with the large physical size makes clean overtaking even more difficult with these cars. So clearly qualifying is paramount because it will be very difficult for someone with a bad start to work their way back up through the field. Patience will be required.

So please can we agree to learn what we can from these races and move on. We have a mature set of rules that cater for most incidents but the moderating staff would prefer not to be draconian, it is preferable for drivers to embrace the spirit of the rules and to drive accordingly. I'm sure if you look through the replay and try to apply the rules, you will be able to see for yourselves what, if any, transgressions were made. All I would ask is for drivers to look to themselves to try to understand what they could have done better. In many cases, incidents are a shared responsibility.

[GregT]

it was a big mistake of mine and I feel bad about it.

Don't worry about it. I wasn't surprised. I thought with a rolling start we might be pushing any accidents to T5 instead of T1. T5 is very difficult to get the braking correct. It always takes me several laps to figure what I need to do there. I did slow down early to leave Lasse plenty of room, but at the point you hit me I wasn't going any slower than I needed to make the turn smoothly. I just happened to be the one that was unlucky at T5. There was some good that came from it. It gave Lasse a good opportunity to win considering the huge car advantage I had. I only took the fastest cars available to me because I've driven so little lately and I had no practice beforehand, and I had never driven either of cars I chose at Road America.

Take care guys.

[GregT]

Enrique, if I'm angry with anybody, it's myself. I let Lasse beat me for pole position and fast lap in that crappy Porsche. If I were driving well that never would happened.

[Cookie]

Forget the past - look at the upcoming Le Mans on Sunday!

[Enrique Farina]

I do not want to think that it is racism, because it is very far that I thought something like that, that is mentally weak, but if you had it, strong against me.

I suppose it's only a question of time before you discover that I'm also Hitler's illegitimate son. But you're attributing to malice what is more easily explained by ineptitude. You're a better driver than I am. In GPL Rank you're -51. I'm -7.2. Isn't that a clue as to where we stand in this rubble? You need to realize that I'm going to make mistakes that will distress drivers like you. I'm doing my best out there and, as I explained, in the second race I had a car that I was unable to control well. It was an unfortunate combination of circumstances, not ill will.

There's also this: You were having a remarkably ugly day yourself. In 45 minutes of racing you rear-ended three different drivers, parked your car in the middle of a lap in the CA71 race, and fired off a long, rude chat message that hammered the frame rates of every driver still on the track. I get that neither of these fun races was much fun for you, but if you're going to be on the same track with drivers significantly inferior to you, I'd recommend you find a way to deal with them other than by calling them racist pendejos.

   I see you study me, ok.... for me its over. just stay in track