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November 28, 2006, 09:05:48 PM +0000 - Spa (2003) - UKGTR Season 4 Sprint NGT Academy
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Poddy
 Kerb Crawlers
Porsche 996 GT3-RSR NGT 2 +0.839
111.328mph
1 39:33.822
104.768mph
16 2:20.414
110.699mph
Pirelli +50.0kg
Paul Richards
 28CD Motorsports
Ferrari 360 GTC NGT 3 +1.474
110.824mph
2 +28.631
103.519mph
16 2:21.524
109.831mph
Pirelli +30.0kg
purdie
 Racin24-7
Porsche 996 GT3-RSR NGT 1 2:18.782
112.001mph
3 +43.639
102.877mph
16 2:20.771
110.419mph
Michelin +50.0kg
lincescom
 Sonic Racing Team
Porsche 996 GT3-RSR NGT 5 +2.535
109.992mph
4 +50.372
102.591mph
16 2:21.557
109.806mph
Michelin +50.0kg
pribeiro
 Ghostspeed
Gillet Vertigo Streiff NGT 9 +3.162
109.506mph
5 +50.632
102.580mph
16 2:22.363
109.184mph
Dunlop -70.0kg
Jamera
 28CD Motorsports
Porsche 996 GT3-RSR NGT 4 +2.531
109.995mph
6 +56.311
102.340mph
16 2:22.197
109.311mph
Pirelli +50.0kg
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 Legends Racing
BMW M3 GTR NGT 7 +3.018
109.617mph
7 +56.660
102.325mph
16 2:22.861
108.803mph
Michelin +80.0kg
LuKe#69
 28CD Motorsports
Porsche 996 GT3-RSR NGT 12 +3.617
109.156mph
8 (+3) +1:07.788
101.859mph
16 2:22.343
109.199mph
Pirelli +50.0kg
ivansmiven
 28CD Motorsports
Ferrari 360 GTC NGT 8 +3.082
109.568mph
9 +1:16.701
101.489mph
16 2:23.692
108.174mph
Pirelli +30.0kg
Dave 'Gizmo' Gymer
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101.170mph
16 2:23.515
108.308mph
Dunlop -50.0kg
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107.880mph
11 +1:37.419
100.638mph
16 2:25.270
106.999mph
Dunlop -40.0kg
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109.000mph
12 +1:44.213
100.362mph
16 2:25.380
106.918mph
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BMW M3 GTR NGT 20 +6.179
107.227mph
13 +1:59.063
99.764mph
16 2:25.838
106.582mph
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Porsche 996 GT3-RSR NGT 14 +3.885
108.951mph
14 +2:03.355
99.593mph
16 2:23.901
108.017mph
Dunlop +50.0kg
Reign Man
 
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109.786mph
15 +1L
97.624mph
15 2:24.780
107.361mph
Dunlop -40.0kg
exteg martin
 
Ferrari 360 GTC NGT 17 +4.926
108.162mph
16 +27.445
96.515mph
15 2:25.787
106.620mph
Pirelli +30.0kg
merlinthepike
 Team Shark Junior
TVR Tuscan T400R NGT 11 +3.613
109.159mph
17 +31.295
96.362mph
15 2:25.018
107.185mph
Dunlop -40.0kg
will16v
 28CD Motorsports
Porsche 996 GT3-RSR NGT 21 +6.782
106.783mph
18 +37.606
96.111mph
15 2:26.290
106.253mph
Dunlop +50.0kg
silver53
 Team Shark Junior
Ferrari 360 GTC NGT 22 +7.102
106.549mph
19 +3L 13 2:25.468
106.853mph
unknown
Pirelli +30.0kg
Damac
 
Porsche 996 GT3-RSR NGT 25 20 +5L 11 2:27.701
105.238mph
unknown
Pirelli +50.0kg
Don
 Legends Racing
Porsche 996 GT3-RSR NGT 10 +3.173
109.498mph
21 (+2) +11L 5 2:26.376
106.191mph
unknown
Pirelli +50.0kg
Blunder
 
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107.962mph
22 5 2:28.337
104.787mph
unknown
Michelin +50.0kg
Generalpain
 28CD Motorsports
Porsche 996 GT3-RSR NGT 16 +4.503
108.481mph
23 +13L 3 2:25.365
106.929mph
unknown
Pirelli +50.0kg
Edza
 Kerb Crawlers
Porsche 911 GT3-RS NGT 23 +10.193
104.338mph
24 3 2:57.772
87.436mph
suspension
Yokohama +20.0kg
Chunky
 28CD Motorsports
Porsche 996 GT3-RSR NGT 15 +4.028
108.842mph
25 +14L 2 4:21.752
59.384mph
unknown
Pirelli +50.0kg

Moderator's Report

Server replay time: 176s

Edza is trying to warm his brakes on the pace lap as the field approaches les combes. Gerald seems to back off at the same time and Edza rear ends Gerald.

This was clearly a lack of care on Edza's part, but I feel he was a little unlucky at the same time. I would warn all drivers to make sure that there is a decent gap ahead before doing such a thing, and also to try and make sure that you are on a different line from the car ahead in case he brakes unexpectedly.

  • Edzapenalty — Rear end shunt — 1 place lost
    For advice only - unreported by victim, so penalty disregarded


Server replay time: 360s

A number of drivers seem to have got the wrong idea about the start procedure. Exteq martin in particular failed to close the gap to the car in front before engaging the pit lane limiter, which affected everyone behind. Others also didn't close the gap, and Jamera lets the gap open round the last corner by slowing down (even tho on the limiter at that point).

Since so many seem to have been confused by this there is little point in issuing warnings or penalties. Can I ask everyone please have a read of the rules on this, and make sure that you close up to the car in front before engaging the limiter. Also, please note that you can go as soon as the car in front has gone, and that you do not have to wait till you cross the line.

  • Racing incident


Server replay time: 397s

Don is approaching les combes offline and quite slowly. Luke Mustoo is catching at a rate of knots and attempts to pass just as Don is on the apex. Luke leaves some room, but Don slides a bit off the curb and nudges Luke off.

This was a difficult situation for both drivers. I can't blame Luke for having a go, although he might have left a bit more room. On the other hand, Don slid a bit wide off the curb, without which there would have been no contact. I call this a racing incident.

  • Racing incident


Server replay time: 402s

Luke is recovering after his incident with Don. He rejoins the track at a sharp angle with no regard for other cars, resulting in Don and Stanley Chan both hitting the wall.

This was simply unforgivable. You must make every effort to rejoin safely, and if possible at a gentle angle so that other cars can avoid you.


Server replay time: 726s

Don has a dive down the inside of Mike Cooper, but goes too deep. Mike cuts back inside (slightly touching Don's bumper as he does so), leaving them side by side in the 2nd half of the corner. Don comes back to the inside a bit too much and bumps off Mike, sending Don off the track to the outside.

Although Mike did touch Don at first, this didn't affect the incident and was unintentional. In the 2nd part, Mike was entitled to his side of the track, so Don should have stayed wider. Since this didn't affect Mike and Don lost out, I'll call this a racing incident.

  • Racing incident


Server replay time: 985s

Martin is very slow in the middle of Eau Rouge, and Don, who is following, doesn't realise until it is too late. Don keeps his foot in and tries to pass on the left, cutting the track on the left to do so, but in the process also clipping Martin and spinning him in into the barriers.

Ordinarily I would see martin's slow speed as a significant mitigating factor in the incident, but Don made no effort to slow down to avoid an accident, instead choosing to cut the track at full speed, and this was a very bad choice in the circumstances. I therefore feel the full penalty is justified.

  • Donpenalty — Lack of care passing another car — 2 places lost

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« on: November 26, 2006, 07:08:15 PM +0000 »

Practice 1:20:17(8 mins)full time drivers only
Practice 2:20:25(10 mins)reserves may join too
Qual 2:20:35(25 mins)
Race:21:05(40 mins)note: no warmup!

Cars allowed: any NGT from the UKGTR Skin Pack v2.1 except the 993 GT2 - see this thread.
Weather: Dry
Track: Spa 2003
Race Start Time 14:00

Server: UKGTR NGT Academy
Password: here

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(1) Please make sure you are fully aware of the UKGTR Rules - especially the speed limiter starting procedure and the rules about in-game chat messages.
(2) Driver lists can be found on the championship standings page.
(3) You will not be able to join the server without the skin and ballast pack (see link above).
(4) Drivers should remember that they get only two free changes of car in each series.
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« Reply #1 on: November 26, 2006, 09:39:44 PM +0000 »

Not looking forward to this race....Never liked Spa and I havent had any practise on it in GTR2 so wont be expecting a very good result here. Embarrassed
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« Reply #2 on: November 26, 2006, 10:12:43 PM +0000 »

Not looking forward to this race....Never liked Spa and I havent had any practise on it in GTR2 so wont be expecting a very good result here. Embarrassed

If it's any consolation, my loyalty to the 350Z is going to cost me dearly here as the car has a poor top speed, and appears to be very tail happy too. Undecided
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« Reply #3 on: November 26, 2006, 10:31:11 PM +0000 »


If it's any consolation, my loyalty to the 350Z is going to cost me dearly here as the car has a poor top speed, and appears to be very tail happy too. Undecided

As long as you don't leave too much debri at Eau Rouge Tongue, or am I getting ahead of things? Grin
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« Reply #4 on: November 26, 2006, 10:38:49 PM +0000 »

As long as you don't leave too much debri at Eau Rouge Tongue, or am I getting ahead of things? Grin

Eau Rouge is one of the few corners I'm not having a problem with - which probably means I'm not doing it fast enough! Cheesy
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« Reply #5 on: November 27, 2006, 08:22:29 AM +0000 »

I've not run a lot of laps here in the M3 (I'll stick with the M3 - adds a bit of variety), got a reasonable setup, just a few more tweaks to make to the setup.  I'm also not expecting great things here, just not had enough time on track.
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« Reply #6 on: November 27, 2006, 10:20:52 AM +0000 »

You guys kill me!!  Grin

You guys will show up with little practice and stick in a few 2.21's !!

I on the other hand have spent all week practicing and tuning and still can't get below 2.25 !!

Good fun though!!

Martin
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« Reply #7 on: November 27, 2006, 10:35:43 AM +0000 »

You guys kill me!!  Grin

You guys will show up with little practice and stick in a few 2.21's !!

I on the other hand have spent all week practicing and tuning and still can't get below 2.25 !!

Good fun though!!

Martin

Are you driving at the 2003 version? The 2004 is a few sec slower than the 2003 one. And in the 2003 Spa, 2:17's are possible (Jon probably goes into the 2:16's Smiley)
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« Reply #8 on: November 27, 2006, 10:37:57 AM +0000 »

2:23 is the best I've managed so far in the (-50kg) 350Z. I'm struggling to see what I can do with the setup which will cure the entry and mid-corner oversteer but not give me big understeer on exit.

Don't forget that the Academy race is now 40 minutes like the Masters! Cheesy
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« Reply #9 on: November 27, 2006, 10:45:27 AM +0000 »

No definitely 2003!! Unfortunately!!
Only been at this a few weeks, the G25 has definitely helped, just need a little time and a lot more talent!!
I'm still trying to fine tune the set up and I'm still braking way too early for some of the corners !
I'll stick with it!!
It's still good racing at the back of the pack!!
Had a brilliant fight with Dangerman in the last race.

If it was easy, it would be no fun!!

M.
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« Reply #10 on: November 27, 2006, 10:51:55 AM +0000 »

I have similiar problems!!

What about tires temps....

If I drive normally I struggle to maintain front tire temps. ( Very smooth turn in etc. )
If I over turn the wheel excessively, ( like you do to scrub your tires ) in turn 3,4,5 and 6 then I'm ok for the rest of the lap!?

Any comments suggestions?

M.
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« Reply #11 on: November 27, 2006, 12:32:16 PM +0000 »

Sorry guys, wont be able to make this one due to work commitments.

Have a gud`un all.

Cheers

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« Reply #12 on: November 27, 2006, 12:44:19 PM +0000 »

Do 3 or 4 laps at race pace (i.e. pushing hard but not taking silly risks) and then post your tire temps here. There are so many ways to raise temps (one way being softening your roll bars) that  it's hard to guess without the figures.
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« Reply #13 on: November 27, 2006, 01:57:32 PM +0000 »

I did a few laps yesterday and my tyre temps were in the high 70's (which is the usual for me on all the tracks i have raced)..

What concerns me is the times you guys are getting. I have had to increase the "Dead Zone" on my stick as it is falling apart. Just a warning for you guys, I no longer have subtle steering control to the left so I might be a bit ragged on left handers.
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« Reply #14 on: November 27, 2006, 03:27:11 PM +0000 »

What concerns me is the times you guys are getting. I have had to increase the "Dead Zone" on my stick as it is falling apart. Just a warning for you guys, I no longer have subtle steering control to the left so I might be a bit ragged on left handers.

Note to self: overtake Reign Man coming out of left handers...
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