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March 05, 2021, 10:06:17 PM +0000 - Monza (GP 1955-71) - UKGPL Season 38 (Spring 2021) 1967 F1 Grand Prix
Driver
 Team
Nat. Make Model Class Qualifying Race
Tyres Pos Time/Gap Pos Time/Gap Laps Stops Best Retirement
reason
Ballast
Raoni Frizzo
 Team Coyote
Ferrari 312 (1967) (#1967) F1 1967 1 1:29.027
144.446mph
1 1:24:42.960
141.677mph
56 1:29.280
144.036mph
Firestone  
Lasse Albrecht
 
Brabham BT24 (Repco) (#1967) F1 1967 14 2 +0.807
141.654mph
56 1:29.103
144.323mph
Goodyear  
Alain Maurice
 Equipe BGB
Ferrari 312 (1967) (#1967) F1 1967 3 +0.199
144.124mph
3 +43.422
140.476mph
56 1:30.006
142.875mph
Firestone  
EvilClive
 Blue Moose Racing
Brabham BT24 (Repco) (#1967) F1 1967 7 +2.232
140.913mph
4 +1L
138.932mph
55 1:29.971
142.930mph
Goodyear  
fpolicardi
 Team7
Cooper T81b (Maserati) (#1967) F1 1967 9 +2.316
140.783mph
5 +25.887
138.229mph
55 1:31.719
140.206mph
Firestone  
Rainier
 Equipe BGB
Ferrari 312 (1967) (#1967) F1 1967 11 +4.472
137.537mph
6 +3L
133.955mph
53 1:33.208
137.966mph
Firestone  
Billy Nobrakes
 Black Night Racing
Eagle T1G (Weslake 1967) (#1967) F1 1967 10 +3.421
139.101mph
7 +25L
129.099mph
31 1:32.174
139.514mph
Disco
Goodyear  
Eric Bilodeau
 Equipe BGB
Brabham BT24 (Repco) (#1967) F1 1967 8 +2.271
140.853mph
8 +28L
131.550mph
28 1:32.473
139.063mph
Disco
Goodyear  
philippe GIRARD
 Equipe BGB
Eagle T1G (Weslake 1967) (#1967) F1 1967 4 +0.259
144.027mph
9 +41L
137.758mph
15 1:30.947
141.396mph
Disco
Goodyear  
Enrique Farina
 
Brabham BT24 (Repco) (#1967) F1 1967 12 +5.900
135.468mph
10 (+1) +0.212
137.737mph
15 1:30.774
141.666mph
Disco
Goodyear  
Frank Verplanken
 Equipe BGB
Cooper T81b (Maserati) (#1967) F1 1967 6 +1.950
141.350mph
11 +45L
135.700mph
11 1:32.968
138.323mph
Disco
Firestone  
Cookie
 Antipasti Racing
Eagle T1G (Weslake 1967) (#1967) F1 1967 2 +0.120
144.251mph
12 +51L
138.992mph
5 1:30.673
141.824mph
Disco
Goodyear  
Claudio Navonne
 
Honda RA300 (#1967) F1 1967 5 +1.294
142.376mph
13 +56L
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Disco
Firestone  
60fps UKGPL8
 
BRM P115 (#1967) F1 1967 13 DNS ---
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Goodyear  

Moderator's Report

Both drivers in this incident have proven themselves to be responsible and fair drivers in the past and it was unfortunate for both of them that a small contact ( at high speed ) ended both of their races.
Enrique has been chasing Philippe for several laps and slowly closing in, but the straight line speed of Philippe's Eagle keeps him ahead. At the end of lap 15 Enrique gets a much better drive through Parabolica and exits the corner firmly in the Eagle's slipstream.
On the approach to Curve Grande Philippe is showing 192mph (309kph) and Enrique has reached the same speed with the tow ( previous lap he was at 188mph (302kph).
Enrique sees the opportunity to take the inside line and moves out of the slipstream as they enter the braking zone. Both cars brake at almost the identical moment, but because Enrique is 1.5 car lengths further back, he is able to be less aggressive on the brakes and his momentum brings him almost alongside Philippe as they both prepare to enter the corner.
Enrique's move out of the slipstream and down the inside is clearly visible in Philippe's mirrors, but the Brabham does move into the Philippe's blind spot.
Enrique can clearly see the Eagle and the inviting gap down the inside to the apex of Curve Grande.
Enrique naturally wants to give himself as wide a line as possible into Curve Grande and Philippe is fully committed to his normal racing line ( travelling at the same speed as previous laps ). The cars touch and Philippe is thrown into the barriers ending his race, Enrique finishes the lap but retires to the pits.

Close inspection of the server replay shows that Philippe took his normal speed and line into the corner and stays to his side of the central line. Enrique was travelling slightly faster than usual due to the slipstream and on a slightly tighter line, but there were no indications that he was travelling too fast to safely negotiate Curve Grande.

Philippe did not adjust his line to leave extra room for the Brabham which he knew was on his inside, but he was still within his 50% of the track width at the moment of contact.
When Enrique committed to his overtaking move the Eagle was travelling in a straight line and he left less than a 1 metre gap between the cars. But, he should have made sure that he was within his 50% of the track width.
At the moment of contact Enrique had not achieved a clear 100% overlap and his car was not visible in Philippe's mirror.
This incident could have been avoided if ...
a) Philippe had made an allowance for the car that had moved into his blind spot and was making an overtaking move, but he was quite entitled to maintain his line and speed on his side of the track
b) Enrique had moved more to his right and kept his car well within his side of the track which would have left more space between the cars.
It is quite common for 2 cars to negotiate Curve Grande side by side if the drivers are careful.

UKGPL rules make it clear that it is the responsibility of the OVERTAKING car to ensure a safe and clean pass and that the right to the racing line through the corner can only be claimed when a clear 100% overlap has been achieved.

Therefore in this case a penalty of 1 place is given to Enrique.

It was regrettable that comments were exchanged on the forum immediately after the incident when emotions are high. The court system exists to deal with incidents such as this and avoid heated arguments. We all race GPL for fun and we all understand how frustrating it is to not finish a race for whatever reason. Philippe has always driven fairly and with consideration and I hope that Enrique re-considers his decision to quit all UKGPL races ( except the 1955 series) as he has shown himself to be a gentleman driver.

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« Reply #15 on: March 05, 2021, 09:29:16 PM +0000 »

Merci beaucoup, farina, pour le suppo, cursing
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« Reply #16 on: March 05, 2021, 09:30:27 PM +0000 »

thank you very much, Farina, for the suppo, I love you !!! Embarrassed
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« Reply #17 on: March 05, 2021, 09:36:07 PM +0000 »

ok, first, i'm sorry if I make a accident for phillipe, but in my replay I see you brake and I brak at same time, you take the turn for the in side, and touch my car.
  for my point of viuw, was a race incident, but phillipe write in chat something about me.
   ok, I understand, the problem.
  I say i'm sorry phillipe if it's my fault, but just the marschals, take a desition.
  for me is over in this league, i'm retire of all the races in UKGPL, exept mod 55 ( maybe the only season than enjoy cool.)
   many thinks and races, and some drivers whit problems than I drive here.
  I am not looking enemies just looking competition, but some runners do not accept that I am here.
  thanks UKGPL for that wonderfull league, and gpl brasil for that, i'm quit.
  ( after the crash whit phillipe, i'm retire of the race.)
  cya maybe after....
  good luck drivers and thanks.
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« Reply #18 on: March 05, 2021, 09:38:10 PM +0000 »

thank you very much, Farina, for the suppo, I love you !!! Embarrassed
  dont worry phillipe, i'm out, you can drive safetly next races., just watch the replay and then judge.
  good luck the rest of the season.
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« Reply #19 on: March 06, 2021, 07:25:40 AM +0000 »

My engine went "pop" at quarter distance, just as I was getting relaxed a bit  Embarrassed. My gearbox was maybe too aggressive but I was trying to nurse the V12, engine was at 86°C when it broke so not sure if it's a random blowup or not. Either way, sorry I couldn't bring points for the team...

Grats Raoni keyboard legend  I Am Not Worthy and all finishers including my team mates clap !
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« Reply #20 on: March 06, 2021, 10:46:25 AM +0000 »

My shortest race of all the races I have run in my life as a simer (more than 20 years). I let out the clutch and smoke appeared in my mirrors, yet I took it all the way to Curva Grande cursing Angry. Such a shame.
Thanks for organising this.
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« Reply #21 on: March 06, 2021, 11:09:58 AM +0000 »

thank you very much, Farina, for the suppo, I love you !!! Embarrassed
  dont worry phillipe, i'm out, you can drive safetly next races., just watch the replay and then judge.
  good luck the rest of the season.
Philippe and Enrique

Please don't argue on the forums, it is very easy to post a comment in the heat of the moment that you may regret later. Take time to calm down and compose yourselves. Comments posted immediately after a race when the adrenaline is pumping (and if it isn't why bother racing if it doesn't stimulate you) are rarely thought through and measured.

This is why we have the court system. It allows incidents to be moderated calmly and fairly so we all learn, not just the drivers involved.

So if having looked at the replay, you think there is something the moderators should look at, please raise an incident report.

I wouldn't want to lose either of you from the league, you are both a similar pace to me and I enjoy the challenge of racing against you.

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« Reply #22 on: March 06, 2021, 12:00:52 PM +0000 »

Replay: https://www.sendspace.com/file/nw5pfs
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« Reply #23 on: March 06, 2021, 12:14:22 PM +0000 »

Thanks Cookie!!
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« Reply #24 on: March 06, 2021, 01:06:35 PM +0000 »

Wow, this was one hell of a race! I didn't have time to qualify and joined the qualifying session with about 20 seconds remaining which gave me just about enough time to do an installation lap on race fuel, without that the opening lap might have gone horribly wrong... But the opposite was the case, I made up several positions and kept everything clean. In the following laps I then slowly made further progress through the field. At one point I almost lost it at Parabolica when I braked on the grass, but I just managed to catch the car, though after exiting the corner, Pribluda indicated that Clive somehow went off at the same corner, did that have anything to do with me? Sad
After an off at Parabolica in the first 10 laps, I then kept it steady and was soon up into P3 with Raoni and Alain ahead who had very similar pace to me. The rest of the race then was nothing but focussing on my driving really, at one point I caught up to Alain and made a clean pass on the backstraight, and then 5 seconds separated me and Raoni. I cut down the gap by about a tenth or two per lap, but before I could catch up, he overcooked it at Parabolica and had an off which put a gap of 11 seconds between us. He didn't damage his car in the process, and so the gap stayed about the same for the next 15 laps, the keyboard legend always kept me honest and then with 10 laps to go, I actually made that mistake which put me 3 seconds behind that damn magician (I've seen your driving on your YouTube channel, but how in the world do you actually drive with a keyboard??!!?!?).
In the last 10 laps I then pushed as hard as I could and eventually got close, but didn't quite get it in the end, one more lap would have perhaps done the job, but after one of the most fun races in my racing history, Raoni took the victory by 0.81 seconds after a 56 lap race! Well deserved Raoni mate, more of that in the future please. Wink Also congrats to Alain for third and to all other finishers, well done! Smiley
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« Reply #25 on: March 06, 2021, 04:14:50 PM +0000 »

What a crazy race! I felt like going from hero to zero and vice-versa multiple times.
Qualy was very tough, with many drivers with a similar pace. In my last attempt I could set a low 1:29 which gave me pole position, something important because I knew I would lose at least 2 or 3 places at the start.

Better than expected, I only lost a place to Axel at the start. The first laps were very conservative. Everyone still being very careful trying towarm up the tires, find a pace and staying on the track. For 1 or 2 times I got very close to Axel, but was afraid of trying an overtake approaching Parabolica, so I decided to calm down and stay behind him, with Alain following me.

I thought everything had gone down the drain when Axel crashed at Curva Grande and then his car collected mine. That was a big hit but - unbelievably - I could rejoin the track without losing too much time. Alain passed us and opened a gap of about 6 seconds. I noticed my car had some slight damage because it became a little bit harder to control it when braking to Parabolica and Lesmo, but at least the top speed seemed to be unaffected.

In a bunch of laps I managed to close the gap to Alain, who didn't offer any resistance and then I could take the lead. At this point of the race, I was already watching Lasse's quick progress, who was constantly being a couple of tenths faster than me, so I knew that I would have to push my pace trying to delay the maximum possible his challenge.

Everything seemed to be working fine when I made a mistake at Parabolica. Somehow I lost my concentration, braked a little bit late and went wide, going off the track and spinning. After rejoining, I was already 10 or 11 seconds behind him. With the lead gone from my hands, I had to focus on getting my concentration back and recovering my pace to keep 2nd place safe. But then the unexpected happened. Lasse also went off the track at Parabolica. That was enough for me to take 1st place back and with a gap of about 3-4 seconds with some 10 laps to go.

After that, what I had was an amazing final stage of the race! Like before, he started pushing hard and gaining some tenths of second every lap. His pressure forced me to push my car to the limit as well without any margin for a little mistake. There was a little bit of drama in the final lap when we had to overtake Rainier at Lesmos, but he was a gentleman went out of the racing line and got past him safe.
Checkered flag with only 0,8s of a gap. I get the feeling that if we had 1 or 2 more laps, I would have much trouble to win this one. But this time luck seemed to be by my side.

Congrats to all finishers and a special thanks to Lasse for the great fun we had in the final laps. These long GP races bring GPL experience to a whole different level. Looking forward to the next one!
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« Reply #26 on: March 06, 2021, 04:49:30 PM +0000 »

I've just come out of a period when I had a lot of problems with the freeze.
I don't have any personal problems with enrique, i'm just angry because of the accident.
I don't want enrique to withdraw from ukgpl, I sent him a private message.
I would be obliged to withdraw as well, otherwise the withdrawal of enrique could be interpreted as my fault.
I sincerely hope that everything will return to normal, I am not looking for war, on the contrary, I love this league and all the people.
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« Reply #27 on: March 07, 2021, 05:37:00 AM +0000 »

there is something that has me a little annoying, and that is why I feel some iconformity with my presence in this league.
  I know that I have very personal problems with someone who is in this league, and I think that has generated annoyances in some of the corridors against me.
   I just repeat, I run for fun and take my time off in what I like, which is the GPL, but I run in some league and I say it again, for fun,
  I'm not looking for fights, conflicts, and bad blood, I'm just looking for COMPETITION "if it goes well and I win, perfect, but if not, also perfect.
   I know I make mistakes and sometimes I don't see or feel them, and because of my excessive work, sometimes I couldn't check my replay, and I apologize for that.
   I do not want anyone to retire due to my accidents or my failures, in this simmer it is something that cannot be avoided.
I just want you to know that I am human and as such I make mistakes, and that sometimes cannot be avoided ...
   I think this season is fine for me. And you have nothing to do with phillipe, only that instead of having fun, I connect to the server with prevention and thus you cannot enjoy a race.
   I repeat, it is not necessary for you to retire, Phillipe, I do, because I no longer find that "feeling" in this league that I sometimes found
   I hold up. I retire from all races, except mod 55
  I think it is in the only mod, that nobody goes against me, and I can enjoy.
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« Reply #28 on: March 07, 2021, 03:11:36 PM +0000 »

thank you very much, Farina, for the suppo, I love you !!! Embarrassed
  dont worry phillipe, i'm out, you can drive safetly next races., just watch the replay and then judge.
  good luck the rest of the season.
Philippe and Enrique

Please don't argue on the forums, it is very easy to post a comment in the heat of the moment that you may regret later. Take time to calm down and compose yourselves. Comments posted immediately after a race when the adrenaline is pumping (and if it isn't why bother racing if it doesn't stimulate you) are rarely thought through and measured.

This is why we have the court system. It allows incidents to be moderated calmly and fairly so we all learn, not just the drivers involved.

So if having looked at the replay, you think there is something the moderators should look at, please raise an incident report.

I wouldn't want to lose either of you from the league, you are both a similar pace to me and I enjoy the challenge of racing against you.

Regards

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When I click on "download" on the sendspace page, nothing happens
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« Reply #29 on: March 07, 2021, 03:38:30 PM +0000 »



When I click on "download" on the sendspace page, nothing happens

Philippe

You have to try two times.
First, there is an advertising message.
Close this windows and click again on "download file" button.
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