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March 05, 2021, 10:06:17 PM +0000 - Monza (GP 1955-71) - UKGPL Season 38 (Spring 2021) 1967 F1 Grand Prix
Driver
 Team
Nat. Make Model Class Qualifying Race
Tyres Pos Time/Gap Pos Time/Gap Laps Stops Best Retirement
reason
Ballast
Raoni Frizzo
 Team Coyote
Ferrari 312 (1967) (#1967) F1 1967 1 1:29.027
144.446mph
1 1:24:42.960
141.677mph
56 1:29.280
144.036mph
Firestone  
Lasse Albrecht
 
Brabham BT24 (Repco) (#1967) F1 1967 14 2 +0.807
141.654mph
56 1:29.103
144.323mph
Goodyear  
Alain Maurice
 Equipe BGB
Ferrari 312 (1967) (#1967) F1 1967 3 +0.199
144.124mph
3 +43.422
140.476mph
56 1:30.006
142.875mph
Firestone  
EvilClive
 Blue Moose Racing
Brabham BT24 (Repco) (#1967) F1 1967 7 +2.232
140.913mph
4 +1L
138.932mph
55 1:29.971
142.930mph
Goodyear  
fpolicardi
 Team7
Cooper T81b (Maserati) (#1967) F1 1967 9 +2.316
140.783mph
5 +25.887
138.229mph
55 1:31.719
140.206mph
Firestone  
Rainier
 Equipe BGB
Ferrari 312 (1967) (#1967) F1 1967 11 +4.472
137.537mph
6 +3L
133.955mph
53 1:33.208
137.966mph
Firestone  
Billy Nobrakes
 Black Night Racing
Eagle T1G (Weslake 1967) (#1967) F1 1967 10 +3.421
139.101mph
7 +25L
129.099mph
31 1:32.174
139.514mph
Disco
Goodyear  
Eric Bilodeau
 Equipe BGB
Brabham BT24 (Repco) (#1967) F1 1967 8 +2.271
140.853mph
8 +28L
131.550mph
28 1:32.473
139.063mph
Disco
Goodyear  
philippe GIRARD
 Equipe BGB
Eagle T1G (Weslake 1967) (#1967) F1 1967 4 +0.259
144.027mph
9 +41L
137.758mph
15 1:30.947
141.396mph
Disco
Goodyear  
Enrique Farina
 
Brabham BT24 (Repco) (#1967) F1 1967 12 +5.900
135.468mph
10 (+1) +0.212
137.737mph
15 1:30.774
141.666mph
Disco
Goodyear  
Frank Verplanken
 Equipe BGB
Cooper T81b (Maserati) (#1967) F1 1967 6 +1.950
141.350mph
11 +45L
135.700mph
11 1:32.968
138.323mph
Disco
Firestone  
Cookie
 Antipasti Racing
Eagle T1G (Weslake 1967) (#1967) F1 1967 2 +0.120
144.251mph
12 +51L
138.992mph
5 1:30.673
141.824mph
Disco
Goodyear  
Claudio Navonne
 
Honda RA300 (#1967) F1 1967 5 +1.294
142.376mph
13 +56L
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Disco
Firestone  
60fps UKGPL8
 
BRM P115 (#1967) F1 1967 13 DNS ---
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Goodyear  

Moderator's Report

Both drivers in this incident have proven themselves to be responsible and fair drivers in the past and it was unfortunate for both of them that a small contact ( at high speed ) ended both of their races.
Enrique has been chasing Philippe for several laps and slowly closing in, but the straight line speed of Philippe's Eagle keeps him ahead. At the end of lap 15 Enrique gets a much better drive through Parabolica and exits the corner firmly in the Eagle's slipstream.
On the approach to Curve Grande Philippe is showing 192mph (309kph) and Enrique has reached the same speed with the tow ( previous lap he was at 188mph (302kph).
Enrique sees the opportunity to take the inside line and moves out of the slipstream as they enter the braking zone. Both cars brake at almost the identical moment, but because Enrique is 1.5 car lengths further back, he is able to be less aggressive on the brakes and his momentum brings him almost alongside Philippe as they both prepare to enter the corner.
Enrique's move out of the slipstream and down the inside is clearly visible in Philippe's mirrors, but the Brabham does move into the Philippe's blind spot.
Enrique can clearly see the Eagle and the inviting gap down the inside to the apex of Curve Grande.
Enrique naturally wants to give himself as wide a line as possible into Curve Grande and Philippe is fully committed to his normal racing line ( travelling at the same speed as previous laps ). The cars touch and Philippe is thrown into the barriers ending his race, Enrique finishes the lap but retires to the pits.

Close inspection of the server replay shows that Philippe took his normal speed and line into the corner and stays to his side of the central line. Enrique was travelling slightly faster than usual due to the slipstream and on a slightly tighter line, but there were no indications that he was travelling too fast to safely negotiate Curve Grande.

Philippe did not adjust his line to leave extra room for the Brabham which he knew was on his inside, but he was still within his 50% of the track width at the moment of contact.
When Enrique committed to his overtaking move the Eagle was travelling in a straight line and he left less than a 1 metre gap between the cars. But, he should have made sure that he was within his 50% of the track width.
At the moment of contact Enrique had not achieved a clear 100% overlap and his car was not visible in Philippe's mirror.
This incident could have been avoided if ...
a) Philippe had made an allowance for the car that had moved into his blind spot and was making an overtaking move, but he was quite entitled to maintain his line and speed on his side of the track
b) Enrique had moved more to his right and kept his car well within his side of the track which would have left more space between the cars.
It is quite common for 2 cars to negotiate Curve Grande side by side if the drivers are careful.

UKGPL rules make it clear that it is the responsibility of the OVERTAKING car to ensure a safe and clean pass and that the right to the racing line through the corner can only be claimed when a clear 100% overlap has been achieved.

Therefore in this case a penalty of 1 place is given to Enrique.

It was regrettable that comments were exchanged on the forum immediately after the incident when emotions are high. The court system exists to deal with incidents such as this and avoid heated arguments. We all race GPL for fun and we all understand how frustrating it is to not finish a race for whatever reason. Philippe has always driven fairly and with consideration and I hope that Enrique re-considers his decision to quit all UKGPL races ( except the 1955 series) as he has shown himself to be a gentleman driver.

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« Reply #30 on: March 07, 2021, 04:07:03 PM +0000 »

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« Reply #31 on: March 07, 2021, 04:44:58 PM +0000 »

it doesn't work

I sent you the replay by mail.

PM now, please.
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« Reply #32 on: March 07, 2021, 04:46:06 PM +0000 »

It is a bit awkward but it does work.

Using Microsoft Edge web browser:
Click on the Blue download button.
Cancel the tab that appears.
Click on the Blue download button again.
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Wait for it to finish.
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« Reply #33 on: March 07, 2021, 05:30:55 PM +0000 »

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« Reply #34 on: March 07, 2021, 08:12:50 PM +0000 »

it's ok, thx, I had used microsoft edge
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« Reply #35 on: March 14, 2021, 04:38:39 PM +0000 »

It was regrettable that comments were exchanged on the forum immediately after the incident when emotions are high. The court system exists to deal with incidents such as this and avoid heated arguments. We all race GPL for fun and we all understand how frustrating it is to not finish a race for whatever reason. Philippe has always driven fairly and with consideration and I hope that Enrique re-considers his decision to quit all UKGPL races ( except the 1955 series) as he has shown himself to be a gentleman driver
  thanks moderators.
    I accept the blame for the incident, I thought we could both turn in that curve, Phillipe on the outside and I on the inside, but it did not happen, and unfortunately there was an accident which mr, Girard was forced to leave the race, and as a consequence of it enter the pits, and leave the race as well.
   It is true there was an exchange of words internally between mr, girad and me, and as the days went by, we realized that we had exceeded in the way of expressing our anger. and we apologize to each other.
  The fact that I withdraw from all UKGPL races except mod 55, rather transcends fatigue and a bit of sadness when noticing that 3 or 4 drivers who race with me, do not like my presence in this league, and that makes That my careers have a taste of defense rather than fun, forcing me to spend the rest of the day and the next day, annoying and in itself that affects my health a bit.
  I am already a man approaching 60 years of age and strong emotions are no longer very convenient for my health.
   That is why I stopped running, at least for this season all the championships (except mod 55) so as to take a little air and be able to rest and that we all reconsider, our way of thinking towards other runners, that the only thing they are looking for It is having fun (like me) and not passing any other runner, to win titles and championships.
  it's nothing personal against phillipe, on the contrary, we've talked and ended up being good friends, (virtual).
   thanks to this extraordinary organization for having welcomed me and see you next season, let's see if maybe I can run with less anxiety
  I love you guys.
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« Reply #36 on: March 15, 2021, 12:46:49 PM +0000 »

We all sincerely hope that you join us again next season Enrique and I am pleased to hear that Phillippe and you have made peace Wink I have enjoyed racing against you in many different cars and you have always been a fair driver.

You might be interested to know that if you are approaching 60 years of age, then you are probably one of the youngsters at UKGPL. Many of us are approaching (or beyond ) 70 and we race these cars because we can remember seeing them in real life when we were young.

Well, we try to remember those days, but sometimes our old brains are a little foggy  Grin
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« Reply #37 on: March 15, 2021, 03:45:22 PM +0000 »

Enrique

You have no reason to quit UKGPL races,

- because you are too young

- and then for that



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« Reply #38 on: March 16, 2021, 03:42:53 AM +0000 »

 Smiley thanks guys, make me feel better, I won jamaica, because I have the best car hehehe.
  ok, because the time here in mexico is 7 hours diferent the races in fridays are sometimes dificoult, because its time for working here, but I try to stay in thats races fridays, the races in sundays, ok, i'm back, :-)
  the rest of the races, ( tuesday) if not possible, for the moment.
  well, cya friday on track teamies :-) ( I trust you don't have much work that day )
   cheers and hello again.
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« Reply #39 on: March 16, 2021, 10:01:03 AM +0000 »

Great news Enrique.
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