UKGTR Season 4 Sprint NGT Academy - Monza (GP) - Jan 23

[purdie]

just checked replay too and didn't realise the pace lap collision....

....it looks like my fault, i put on limiter and it backed up the whole fireld... sorry picnic and Paul especially 

[LuKe#69]

Congrats to everybody!
Good race for me,quallified 2nd after only 2 fast laps and was able to sit in the pits for the rest of the session.
I was really nervous at start of race cause I didnt want to do anything stupid and knock Perdy of or something like that,but I was able to get round him cleanly and started to pull away from the pack.Was surprised to pull away from Perdy so quickly.....
After that I was just lapping as consistently as possible and was able to not spin or make too many time costly mistakes.
Too many points away leaders to challenge for championship  :'(

p.s.thanks for all the congrats Perdy   

[Buckie]

Will need to watch the replay first before I do anything else and will follow through the proper channels but there was some serious blocking and a bit door banging. Oh well I am not the sort to want any penalties awarded but it was pretty bad.

Not sure if thats pointed at me paul but i do know there was a few bumps between us. Both bumps happened on same bend and on both occasions i had accelerated out of the bend and followed my usual line into middle of track which i can be seen clearly doing on most laps of the race. Unfortunatly you ran into my rear driver side.

In no way was i trying to block you passing and at times i can be clearly seen taking left side of track to let you by although you never had the pace. When you did get by it was due to very late breaking and cutting the 1st chicane, to which this time i ran into the back of you.

If my driving was out of line accept my apologies.

good race guys, well done to podium.

[Munkez]

Gutted, cut to desktop with the dreaded old blue screen of death, then a computer re-started ended my race on lap 13......
think i have an over heating issue somewhere..... been happing a few times over the last week now! hope to get sorted for the enduro this week end!!

 :'( :'( :'(

Munkez

[John]

just checked replay too and didn't realise the pace lap collision....

....it looks like my fault, i put on limiter and it backed up the whole fireld... sorry picnic and Paul especially 

I've got to agree with you mate.
Just watched the replay.
And it looks like every bodys limiter was on from 2nd back to picnic apart from yours.
And when you did engage it.
it was as if you slammed your break on.


Should'nt we have a gentle slowing of pace before the last turn.
And also put the limiters on before the entry in to that last turn.
At least then it acts like a marker for drivers on when the limiter is going to be activated.
I mean take for instance.
Perdy didnt put his limiter on until he was nearly on the grid.
At donington it went on at the last turn.
And zhuhai was before the last turn.
Might be an idea.
At least we'll know when we can close right up on the car infront.
Without worries of him slamming on brakes

[Nevski]

Well that was a contrast to my endurance run the other day in the 360 Macaroni. The RSR is not only much easier to drive, it also has some oomph down the straights, which really is a prerequisite at Monza. Had a fairly average qual after my quickest lap hit traffic at the final chicane, so started from 10th. Apologies to Tinman, who I tapped lightly on the rear at the start of the pace lap in my overexuberance to get going. Fortunately, no damage was done according to my pit crew.

Got the jump on Frankeeeeeeeeh braking into turn one at the off, so straight up to 9th. A few shennanigans going on ahead in the first couple of laps found me promoted to 6th very quickly without having to do anything except gently warm my tires. Then a lapse in concentration and I just caught the quicksand on the exit of lesbo 1.. Only lost about 3 seconds but it was enough for Dave to power past me down the back straight.

By lap 15 Dave and I were running 4th and 5th respectively, still no more than a second or two apart. I was feeling quietly confident though, because I was using Claus Juel's excellent RSR race setup, and my tires were showing no signs whatsoever of any drop in performance. A mistake by I think it was Adam meant Dave and I were fighting over the final podium spot going into the last four laps.

I gradually eeked my way up to Dave's M3 a couple of tenths per lap, and managed to catch his slipstream exiting para with about 3 to go. Was level and on the inside braking into turn 1, but Dave was the last of the late brakers and somehow got through the chicane still just ahead. So, last gasp attempt as I repeated the same manouevre crossing the line to start the final lap. This time, I just managed to keep my nose ahead into turn 1, only to find a lapped 360 Bolognese had spun and blocked the exit to the chicane. I just managed to steer around it but Dave wasn't so fortunate and lost a few seconds. I was home and dry in 3rd, and the 360 had proven me wrong - it was useful for something at Monza after all. 

Finally I have to dedicate this podium to Claus Juel, because without that killer RSR setup my tires would probably have been toast long before the race finished. Thank you Claus, you really are a great dane! 

[Dave 'Gizmo' Gymer]

Will need to watch the replay first before I do anything else and will follow through the proper channels but there was some serious blocking and a bit door banging. Oh well I am not the sort to want any penalties awarded but it was pretty bad.

Not sure if thats pointed at me paul but i do know there was a few bumps between us. Both bumps happened on same bend and on both occasions i had accelerated out of the bend and followed my usual line into middle of track which i can be seen clearly doing on most laps of the race. Unfortunatly you ran into my rear driver side.

In no way was i trying to block you passing and at times i can be clearly seen taking left side of track to let you by although you never had the pace. When you did get by it was due to very late breaking and cutting the 1st chicane, to which this time i ran into the back of you.

If my driving was out of line accept my apologies.

good race guys, well done to podium.

We do not apportion blame for incidents in public. The next person to do it will receive a posting ban!

[Dave 'Gizmo' Gymer]

Should'nt we have a gentle slowing of pace before the last turn.
And also put the limiters on before the entry in to that last turn.
At least then it acts like a marker for drivers on when the limiter is going to be activated.
[...]
At least we'll know when we can close right up on the car infront.
Without worries of him slamming on brakes

All we need is for people to engage their brains on the pace lap. We'll be reviewing what happened as part of the moderation process but common sense dictates that you leave a sensible gap ahead as you approach the final turn, wait for the car in front to turn its limiter on (clearly visible because the tail lights start flashing) and then move up behind and engage your own limiter.

The limiter point has to be done a track by track basis because some tracks, like Monza, have a very long run between the last turn and the start line.

[Jeffrey]

A "smart" way of engaging the limiter, is to engage it when you are still driving normal pace 80mph, and let the limiter slow your car down gradually. People will see you lights blink and you'll slow down over a long distance. It's also a good idea to blink your headlights just before you put the limiter on, another indication of what's about to happen.

[John]

Should'nt we have a gentle slowing of pace before the last turn.
And also put the limiters on before the entry in to that last turn.
At least then it acts like a marker for drivers on when the limiter is going to be activated.
[...]
At least we'll know when we can close right up on the car infront.
Without worries of him slamming on brakes

All we need is for people to engage their brains on the pace lap. We'll be reviewing what happened as part of the moderation process but common sense dictates that you leave a sensible gap ahead as you approach the final turn, wait for the car in front to turn its limiter on (clearly visible because the tail lights start flashing) and then move up behind and engage your own limiter.

The limiter point has to be done a track by track basis because some tracks, like Monza, have a very long run between the last turn and the start line.

Thats exactly what i done dave.
Adam was in front of me and i left a decent gap.
He then engagaed his limiter.
And i closed up then engaged mine.
Theres was no need for gradually slowing down because when we engaged, we were already at pit limit speed.
Im not blaming anyone,i just think we need a clear understanding of the procedure.
I came to a virtual stop after breaking,whilst at the pit limit speed

[Paul Richards]

We do not apportion blame for incidents in public. The next person to do it will receive a posting ban!

Apologies for that I do know the rules and delibrately didn't post any names but realise nothing should be mentioned in public and i won't mention any incident again. Was a bit over agitated last night after pratically kissing the championship goodbye so apologies for over exaggerating nothing incidents. I will shut up now before I break the rule again in a Life of Brian esque manner!

As for the start it is always a slightly tricky affair but perhaps something strange happened if Perdie's car suddenly slowed right up when engaging his limiter if other behind already had it on?? He did say he was having a controller problem (not bad enough in my book   ) and I know I have had some strange results with it when engaging at high revs or in a high gear (not that he was doing that!) It was me in pole at Zhuhai so apologise for everyone for the long start after engaging before the last corner! I was so pleased I didn't caused a pile up I went off at the second corner in celebration!

[purdie]

looking on motec my speed never dropped below 36mph...it dropped from 50 to 36....so just pointing out i didn't drop below that speed, there just seemed to be a 'chain effect'. Regardless...moderators will have final say!!! lol

...after practically kissing the championship goodbye

hardly mate! still 2 rounds left with only a 19 point difference! With the UKGTR scoring system that can easily disappear!!!!!

[Paul Richards]

Hi Andy,

I hope you didn't mis-understand me I was just trying to suggest it could have been something technical that caused it. I just thought that the game may have had a bit of a funny and caused your car to check up rather than slow to the pit limit as it should. I had a problem earlier in the practice where the game went a bit choppy and my Motec and other parts of the cockpit had blue, green and red pixels in certain places. I had to disconnect and come back in to clear it (to reload the 3D engine I suppose) although it seemed to be ok but didn't want to take any chances. I also had all the cars dissappear towards the end so it wasn't perfect last night like normal. 

[purdie]

lol not at all!!!! 

i'll delete that bit cos i was only joking! probs with forums is misunderstanding, probably why in the rules they ask us not to discuss events from the race 

hock nat next! shud be a blast!!!! need praccy cos its not a easy one for me 

[exteg martin]

sorry dave 
I was watching you guys approching but thought I would be clear of the 1st corner and then let you guys past, I then spun right in front of you, felt a right div 

sorry again

xtegmartin