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February 04, 2007, 09:00:02 PM +0000 - Hockenheim (National) - UKGTR Season 4 Endurance Masters
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Ballast
CeeJay
 GTN Drivers Club
Ferrari 575 GTC (#4019) GT1 1 1:19.800
103.322mph
1 1:21:06.287
98.271mph
58 1:20.823
102.014mph
Michelin +9.0kg
Jeffrey
 Team Shark
Lamborghini Murcielago R-GT (#980001) GT1 2 +0.708
102.414mph
2 +1:15.117
96.778mph
58 1:21.442
101.239mph
Michelin +10.0kg
Radius
 RS Motorsport
Saleen S7-R (#4005) GT1 5 +1.000
102.044mph
3 +1L
95.968mph
57 1:21.952
100.609mph
Pirelli +7.0kg
Kerr
 
Lamborghini Murcielago R-GT (#4026) GT1 4 +0.926
102.137mph
4 +2.065
95.927mph
57 1:22.016
100.531mph
Michelin +10.0kg
Madd-RIP
 Team RVS
Lamborghini Murcielago R-GT (#740029) GT1 8 +1.714
101.150mph
5 +28.618
95.410mph
57 1:22.073
100.461mph
Michelin +10.0kg
Paul Richards
 28CD Motorsports
Lamborghini Murcielago R-GT (#950012) GT1 6 +1.485
101.435mph
6 +33.028
95.325mph
57 1:22.631
99.782mph
Michelin +10.0kg
FlyBri
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Ferrari 550 Maranello (#970012) GT1 10 +2.193
100.559mph
7 +3L
92.594mph
55 1:22.246
100.249mph
Michelin +17.0kg
Paul968
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Porsche 996 GT3-RSR (#4050) NGT 11 +5.783
96.341mph
8 +47.450
91.706mph
55 1:26.565
95.248mph
Michelin +50.0kg
LEUVEN
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Porsche 996 GT3-RSR (#960001) NGT 12 +5.854
96.261mph
9 +4L
91.471mph
54 1:26.492
95.328mph
Michelin +50.0kg
Truetom
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BMW M3 GTR (#970008) NGT 14 +6.891
95.109mph
10 +1:08.523
90.201mph
54 1:27.287
94.460mph
Michelin +72.0kg
Simon Gymer
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BMW M3 GTR (#920001) NGT 15 +7.096
94.885mph
11 +1:13.929
90.102mph
54 1:27.997
93.698mph
Michelin +72.0kg
Bernie Lomax
 
Ferrari 360 GTC (#4062) NGT 16 +7.138
94.839mph
12 +5L
89.673mph
53 1:28.382
93.290mph
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rufbtr
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Ferrari 360 GTC (#4087) NGT 20 +9.426
92.407mph
13 +24L 34 1:30.961
90.645mph
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Pirelli +30.0kg
Enzo
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Lamborghini Murcielago R-GT (#960037) GT1 14 +25L 33 1:21.688
100.934mph
unknown
Michelin +10.0kg
Mark J
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Porsche 996 GT3-RSR (#990008) NGT 19 +8.203
93.691mph
15 +27L 31 1:28.281
93.396mph
unknown
Pirelli +50.0kg
Jimmie
 Racin24-7
Lamborghini Murcielago R-GT (#960037) GT1 3 +0.903
102.166mph
16 +29L 29 1:21.664
100.964mph
unknown
Michelin +10.0kg
Nevski
 
Ferrari 360 GTC (#4062) NGT 17 +7.562
94.379mph
17 +32L 26 1:27.539
94.188mph
suspension
Pirelli +30.0kg
Jure
 Racin24-7
Lamborghini Murcielago R-GT (#960037) GT1 9 +2.069
100.711mph
18 +35L 23 1:22.997
99.342mph
unknown
Michelin +10.0kg
mo
 Kerb Crawlers
Porsche 996 GT3-RSR (#4050) NGT 13 +6.635
95.391mph
19 +44L 14 1:26.769
95.024mph
unknown
Michelin +50.0kg
james
 Racin24-7
Ferrari 575 GTC (#980037) GT1 7 +1.597
101.295mph
20 +53L 5 1:22.886
99.475mph
unknown
Michelin +9.0kg
pribeiro
 
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93.762mph
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87.515mph
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Michelin +72.0kg

Moderator's Report

The cutting rules at this track caused some confusion, due to the unusual dotted white line before the final corner. A couple drivers were reported for cutting this, but I'm happy to report they were within the legal track surface.


Server replay time: 1579s

Flybri has just lapped Bernie's NGT, but makes a mistake at the next corner and runs partly off the track, letting Bernie get back alongside. Flybri correctly holds his car tight to the inside, but Bernie turns in on him, knocking both cars off the track.

Bernie shouldn't have assumed that he'd cleared Flybri, and should have left some room. However, Bernie was in a tricky position with another GT bearing down on him, so I'm reducing this to a zero place penalty.

  • Bernie Lomaxpenalty — Side-by-side contact — 0 places lost


Server replay time: 2565s

Radius is closing on Nevarn Richard when the latter gets a wheel on the grass and goes into a spin. Radius has no chance of avoiding him, spinning Nevarn around again. Jimmie had a good view of the spinning cars, but makes little attempt to slow down, resulting in contact with Nevarn. This impact knocks Nevarn into the path of Bernie, who had slowed and was trying to pass on the inside.

  • Jimmie ([R24-7]Jimmie)warning — Lack of care when approaching an incident.
    For advice only - unreported by victim, so penalty disregarded

SimRacing.org.uk Lap Records
GTR2
GT1
1:19.800
103.322mph
CeeJay
Qualifying
Ferrari 575 GTC
+9.0kg
February 04, 2007, 09:00:02 PM +0000
U4Em
GTR2
GT1
1:20.823
102.014mph
CeeJay
Race
Ferrari 575 GTC
+9.0kg
February 04, 2007, 09:00:02 PM +0000
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« on: February 01, 2007, 10:35:29 AM +0000 »

Practice 1:20:00(15 mins)full time drivers only
Practice 2:20:15(15 mins)reserves may join too
Qual 2:20:30(25 mins)
Race:20:55(80 mins)note: no warmup!

Cars allowed: any GT, G2 or NGT from the UKGTR Skin Pack v2.2 (see this thread) (G2 cars will not score points).
Weather: to be decided just before the race based on real-world weather according to the Endurance rules.
Track: Hockenheim National
Race Start Time 14:00
Pit Stops: All drivers must make a minimum of one pit stop. This must involve entering the pit lane at the speed limit, and coming to a complete standstill in the designated pit box. Tyres do not have to be changed and no fuel has to be added. You cannot take your mandatory stop at the end of the pace lap, or with less than 1 lap to go.

Server: UKGTR Endurance Masters
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(1) Please make sure you are fully aware of the UKGTR Rules - especially the speed limiter starting procedure and the rules about in-game chat messages.
(2) Driver lists can be found on the championship standings page.
(3) You will not be able to join the server without the skin and ballast pack (see link above).
(4) Drivers should remember that they get only two free changes of car in each series.
(5) Please read this post for the corner cutting rules for this event.
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« Reply #1 on: February 01, 2007, 11:28:18 AM +0000 »

I wanna win this, wanna have the triple this season  Grin
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« Reply #2 on: February 01, 2007, 12:26:16 PM +0000 »

Are we gonna have "manual implimented" rain?  Wink

No seriously! We cant go the whole season without a rain event. That just sucks the big one!
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« Reply #3 on: February 01, 2007, 01:04:23 PM +0000 »

No seriously! We cant go the whole season without a rain event. That just sucks the big one!

There isn't as much rain in the world as you would think...

I'm looking at a totally different solution for next season.
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« Reply #4 on: February 01, 2007, 01:05:54 PM +0000 »

We're looking at the corner cutting problem as a matter of urgency and I will post an announcement no later than the end of today.
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« Reply #5 on: February 01, 2007, 01:16:56 PM +0000 »


There isn't as much rain in the world as you would think...



Why not add Knockhill to the racing season then!!!!

Must say I much prefer the dry.

What times are people achieving at hockenheim? Just the help me gauge how far behind I am
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« Reply #6 on: February 01, 2007, 01:17:34 PM +0000 »

There isn't as much rain in the world as you would think...

lol Im sure there is, just not 8pm GMT on Sundays  Wink

What i meant for this race was to force a rain event unless you feel its "cheating" the rules already set out.

I'm looking at a totally different solution for next season.

How about out of the 8 race Season, every 3rd event hosts a wet race. Keeps things spread out evenly.

We're looking at the corner cutting problem as a matter of urgency and I will post an announcement no later than the end of today.

To help you in your quest here's my view  Wink

From a Hock Nat race i mentioned elsewhere, admins just warned about using the green surface outside T1, T7 and runoff between the last two corners...everywhere else if you take too much curb its definitely gonna slow you down/spin you.

They even had a steward sitting outside T1 to watch those cutting on their quali laps lol
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« Reply #7 on: February 01, 2007, 01:25:22 PM +0000 »

Did my first practice in new, revised Hockenheim yesterday night (last visit to the track was back in GP4 era Grin ).
Burnt 100L of fuel just to realise (after checking forum) I should be driving Hock National and not GP version.  Roll Eyes angel

Back to drawing board.  Grin

Right. Race trim with a tweaked Donington setup produced stable 1.24s. Aliens, please let me know your race trim times, I have no idea how fast/slow I'm going. TY.  Smiley


Nice track though, lambo oriented imho and no time to relax, Tarzan likes that. Grin


edit: any idea how many race laps to expect?

as per wet races, perhaps we should implement rule of thumb, dunno, smthn like... if admins girlfriend's got a period, it's a wet race. Period.  Tongue Grin
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« Reply #8 on: February 01, 2007, 01:33:20 PM +0000 »

My qually time in the Lambo were around 1:20.2 . So race trim is around 1s slower. So I expect mid 1:21's in race.
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« Reply #9 on: February 01, 2007, 01:34:17 PM +0000 »

How about out of the 8 race Season, every 3rd event hosts a wet race. Keeps things spread out evenly.

I think that would make it too predictable.......  which the weather as we know isn't!

I like the fact we don't know if will be set to rain until 10minutes or so before the race, it throws an added element into the race, adaptability, it makes drivers adjust to the surroundings, giving others who can adapt faster an outside chance.

Does anyone practice in the wet? I would be surprised if they did.......

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« Reply #10 on: February 01, 2007, 01:35:16 PM +0000 »

edit: any idea how many race laps to expect?

80 mins is 80x60 seconds = 4800
Average lap time in GT at the front end is likely to be roughly around 80seconds, so 4800 / 80 = 60 laps (approx)
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« Reply #11 on: February 01, 2007, 01:50:20 PM +0000 »

We're looking at the corner cutting problem as a matter of urgency and I will post an announcement no later than the end of today.


With the corner cutting issue, why not leave the rules as they are (min two wheels within the white lines). Surely we can stick to that!
If someone is seen consistently cutting or is reportedly cutting too often, exclude them from any points they may have got during that race. If it's a repeated problem ban them for a few races.
Can't understand why this has suddenly become a problem? We have had 3 fair seasons in GTR up until now. why are people now deciding to cut corners?
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« Reply #12 on: February 01, 2007, 02:06:18 PM +0000 »

With the corner cutting issue, why not leave the rules as they are (min two wheels within the white lines). Surely we can stick to that!
If someone is seen consistently cutting or is reportedly cutting too often, exclude them from any points they may have got during that race. If it's a repeated problem ban them for a few races.
Can't understand why this has suddenly become a problem? We have had 3 fair seasons in GTR up until now. why are people now deciding to cut corners?

1. The rules as they stand are, from a practical viewpoint, unenforcable.
2. I suspect there has been more cutting in the past that has gone unnoticed.

I didn't want them in the first place - it was only massive pressure in the light of the massive cutting GTL allows at Imola which caused us to change.

This thread is not the place for the debate though... nor discussion about Season 5 or how the weather is set.
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« Reply #13 on: February 01, 2007, 02:09:27 PM +0000 »

I'm with Don- two wheels on the track at all times is something I've stuck to since the beginning. It's simple, unambiguous and yet still lets me set the car up for the kerbs and attack them a little if I think it'll help my lap time.

We could have a specific corner cut part in each race announcement that for most tracks would say "two wheels only ... etc" or could include a caveat for specific corners, such as the fast left at Oscher.
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« Reply #14 on: February 01, 2007, 03:37:18 PM +0000 »

edit: any idea how many race laps to expect?

80 mins is 80x60 seconds = 4800
Average lap time in GT at the front end is likely to be roughly around 80seconds, so 4800 / 80 = 60 laps (approx)

therefore our average SROU alien will drive in low 1.22s (traffic taken into the equation, of course) + one 65 sec pitstop. hence 58, perhaps 59 laps.

dang. i got tyres worn message after 28-29 laps (front left, of course, rest were fine). interestingly enough, car still felt fine... weird. Huh

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- is it just me or are those dark spots @ braking areas way too exaggerated? one can start braking well after the dark stuff starts, at least 20% later (i.e. waaaay deep into the corner).
- lambo tyres. shoot me if I'm wrong but lambo tends to feel better on low 80 deg.Celsius tyre temp, not more. whatever happened to mid 90's? huh? must have a word with the local Michelin dealer  Grin
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