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November 19, 2021, 10:35:52 PM +0000 - Grenzlandring (1948-52) - UKGPL Season 39 (Autumn 2021) 1971 Can-Am
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Nat. Make Model Class Qualifying Race
Tyres Pos Time/Gap Pos Time/Gap Laps Stops Best Retirement
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Ballast
Phil Thornton
 Antipasti Racing
Shadow MKll (#1971) Group 7 2 +0.167
217.934mph
1 43:07.880
210.216mph
27 1:32.772
217.184mph
Goodyear  
Eric Bilodeau
 Equipe BGB
Shadow MKll (#1971) Group 7 10 +1.874
213.983mph
2 +21.333
208.497mph
27 1:33.586
215.295mph
Goodyear  
Leo Menegucci
 
Lola T222 (#1971) Group 7 6 +1.031
215.916mph
3 +55.290
205.818mph
27 1:33.106
216.405mph
Goodyear  
GregT
 Team Baarf
Ferrari 712M (#1971) Group 7 3 +0.464
217.236mph
4 +1:05.213
205.049mph
27 1:33.232
216.113mph
Firestone  
GrandPrixYannick
 
Porsche 917/10 (#1971) Group 7 8 +1.230
215.456mph
5 +1L
202.289mph
26 1:34.705
212.751mph
Dunlop  
Cookie
 Antipasti Racing
Shadow MKll (#1971) Group 7 4 +0.606
216.904mph
6 +7L
205.095mph
20 1:31.194
220.942mph
Disco
Goodyear  
Pete Bennett
 TeamTobo
Shadow MKll (#1971) Group 7 5 +0.684
216.722mph
7 +13L
199.734mph
14 1:34.153
213.999mph
Disco
Goodyear  
fpolicardi
 Team7
McLaren M8D (#1971) Group 7 9 +1.304
215.286mph
8 +9.254
198.434mph
14 1:34.435
213.360mph
Disco
Goodyear  
EvilClive
 Blue Moose Racing
Lola T222 (#1971) Group 7 11 +2.752
212.006mph
9 +16L
200.170mph
11 1:33.846
214.699mph
Disco
Goodyear  
Doni Yourth
 Blue Moose Racing
Porsche 917/10 (#1971) Group 7 12 +2.881
211.719mph
10 +0.993
199.991mph
11 1:35.096
211.877mph
Disco
Dunlop  
MagicArsouille
 Equipe BGB
Lola T222 (#1971) Group 7 1 1:32.286
218.328mph
11 +17L
203.151mph
10 1:34.606
212.974mph
Disco
Goodyear  
Christian Dauger
 Soggy Bottom Racers Club
Lola T260 (#1971) Group 7 7 +1.084
215.793mph
12 +18L
192.530mph
9 1:34.096
214.128mph
Disco
Goodyear  
60fps UKGPL8
 
Porsche 917/10 (#1971) Group 7 13 DNS ---
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Continental  
Christian Dauger
 Soggy Bottom Racers Club
Lola T260 (#1971) Group 7 ---
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Goodyear  
SimRacing.org.uk Lap Records
Grand Prix Legends
Group 7
1:32.286
218.328mph
MagicArsouille
Qualifying
Lola T222November 19, 2021, 10:35:52 PM +0000
S39CA71
Grand Prix Legends
Group 7
1:31.194
220.942mph
Cookie
Race
Shadow MKllNovember 19, 2021, 10:35:52 PM +0000
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« Reply #15 on: November 19, 2021, 09:54:29 PM +0000 »

Well for me also access problems by Igor! I don't know why. At the same time, display resolution problem, the menu was almost unreadable (fortunately not in race) Undecided

To complete, accident in front of me, I receive a car on the head and get hit by others, shiftR, but shortly after, gasoline breakdown...I took the start in basic configuration.... Angry Angry
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« Reply #16 on: November 19, 2021, 10:17:07 PM +0000 »

One to forget and one for making an apology.

Lap 4 - Cookie and others. So sorry. My fault entirely.  Roll Eyes  I thought for a moment that Axel was sliding wide so, stupidly, I went for an optimistic gap up the inside. I backed off the throttle as soon as I saw Cookie's tyres bite back into the tarmac but these boat-like cars don't slow down in a hurry and I was surprised by how quickly I ran into the back of Cookie's Shadow. This sent both of us flying. Greg, I think that I ruined your race as well. So sorry. Cookie managed to Shift-R relatively quickly but I had to wait until the entire field had passed me. I did not want to take the risk of Shift-R and landing on someone's head.

I clung on for a few more laps and had a real challenge getting past the cars of Fulvio and Christian. My Shadow was faster but their cars were WIDER. So tough to pass and I'd already lost my confidence after the L4 mayhem. I finally lost all concentration and threw myself into the haybales in front of Yannick. First early retirement of the series for me.

I'll put this one behind me and learn how to turn right again before the Nurburgring.  So sorry to everyone involved. By this stage of the season I really should know better. Shoot me now  2guns

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« Reply #17 on: November 19, 2021, 10:27:41 PM +0000 »

Great result for me thanks to a front row start, courtesy of a great tow from Greg in qually. The start was a bit tense, I got a draft on Tris and squeezed past at the end of the long straight on lap 1. After that I just tried to maintain my concentration and not make a mistake. Easier said than done with Tris all over my gearbox. Eventually Tris made a tiny mistake and lost the tow and I was in the clear. I had to focus and maintain my concentration because one small mistake and it could have been all over. As it was I managed to hang on for a rare win. Grats to Eric and Leo for the other podium places.
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« Reply #18 on: November 19, 2021, 10:30:09 PM +0000 »

Grats, Phil. Well deserved 
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« Reply #19 on: November 19, 2021, 10:31:36 PM +0000 »

Nothing but disastrous for me today.

Even though the Porsche is the slowest I thought there were a few things that could come in handy.
For the winged cars I reckoned the most would really lower the wing configuration for the many long straights. But doing so, in my experience, makes the car pretty unstable, and something I didn't find in my Porsche at all despite having no wings at all. The car is so stable even when really opening up the diff. And I thought despite the lack of power and top speed it could still manage to keep up with the rest. Put simply, I thought an underdog race was possible.

But my engine already blew up in Lap 2 and so I was doomed to be in last.  dots
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« Reply #20 on: November 20, 2021, 12:38:35 AM +0000 »

One to forget and one for making an apology.

Lap 4 - Cookie and others. So sorry. My fault entirely.  Roll Eyes  I thought for a moment that Axel was sliding wide so, stupidly, I went for an optimistic gap up the inside. I backed off the throttle as soon as I saw Cookie's tyres bite back into the tarmac but these boat-like cars don't slow down in a hurry and I was surprised by how quickly I ran into the back of Cookie's Shadow. This sent both of us flying. Greg, I think that I ruined your race as well. So sorry. Cookie managed to Shift-R relatively quickly but I had to wait until the entire field had passed me. I did not want to take the risk of Shift-R and landing on someone's head.

I clung on for a few more laps and had a real challenge getting past the cars of Fulvio and Christian. My Shadow was faster but their cars were WIDER. So tough to pass and I'd already lost my confidence after the L4 mayhem. I finally lost all concentration and threw myself into the haybales in front of Yannick. First early retirement of the series for me.

I'll put this one behind me and learn how to turn right again before the Nurburgring.  So sorry to everyone involved. By this stage of the season I really should know better. Shoot me now  2guns


Well, after have loose your drag cause a big slide on T1 I found your car stuck in the inside and couldn't avoid it, end of the game cause I had already reset cause your lap 4 crash where I hit Christian spinning car  Sad
This track is like russian roulette  Roll Eyes
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« Reply #21 on: November 20, 2021, 09:05:58 AM +0000 »

Grats to Phil for maintaining the concentration required to take a win on this track.

I did toy with the idea of taking the Porker, but a quick test highlighted ( or lowlighted? ) its lack of top speed. So my choice was the Lola 222.

Earlier posts of mine probably showed my concerns for this race, and when the hostilities started my worst fears were realised. The rolling start allowed me to arrange my gears so that 3rd and forth were only 1 click apart. That gave me a 3rd gear that would deliver max speed if I lost the tow and 4th was available when I had a fast tow truck ahead.

The theory was very good and I could lap flat out in clear air, but even through quali I struggled to pick up a good tow, so when the race started a few things spoilt the plan.
The effect of the tow when behind a Shadow pr Mclaren was immense and even though I thought that I had calculated the right ratio for 4th gear there were times when I had to lift off when in the tow to protect the engine. That highlighted another issue with my setup. Lifting on the true straight sections was OK, but a lift on any of the curved sections was scary, especially when in the slipstream. It must have been the rollbar settings which caused snap oversteer at close to 380kph when I backed off  scared scared
This problem was increased when I tailed Greg's monster red Ferrari. From my tiny Lola it was like following a brick wall and if and when I got too close I simply could not see where ideal line was.
The combination of the two issues ended my race when the tow sucked me in to o close to Greg and I had to lift to avoid contact that would have taken Greg out of the race. The sudden oversteer put a wheel onto the grass and things went wrong extremely quickly, just glad that I did not hit Greg.

Grats to the podium..............on to the next race.
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« Reply #22 on: November 20, 2021, 07:36:37 PM +0000 »

First, let me apologize for wrecking so many drivers. I wrecked Axel, Phil, and Doni during qualifying. I had to tell myself quit behaving like a kid and start acting like a pro. Worst of all I ended Axel´s race. I should have backed off. I was hoping he would slow and then fly by me on the next straight. At least it wasn´t total devastation. He lost 3 spots. Sad I need to be nicer to Axel.

Congrats Phil, Eric, and Leo! Kudos guys.

I tried to put Axel and Phil on the pole. I knew it would move me up the field too. I got Phil there for a little while but somehow Tristan found a great tow and got the position. Had I got lucky with the tow, I could have challenged Tristan for pole position. I´d be lucky to break 1:35.00 without a tow.

This was one incredible spectacle. I watched a great deal of the replay. It got me wondering if the top of the sky box is very low. When Pete and Axel collided, I thought I was going to drive through the middle of the gap and possibly under Pete´s car a little bit. On my client replay, he was over ten feet off the ground while still rising. One frame later, his car is back on the track slightly clipping the side of my car. I wonder if he hit the top of the sky box while only being 10 feet off the ground? Leo got lucky and did a very nice evasive maneuver to get through the carnage ahead of him. Excellent driving Leo!

Later I was using Axel´s tow hoping he´d carry me towards the front. I didn´t realize at the time how important it was to take great care of my tires. I ran wide twice in turn 1 losing a fair amount of distance to Axel. That ruined my tires performance and Axel started getting a tow off Eric and Leo which quickly broke any tow I had left.

I had Doni and Clive to contend with after that. It was a shame Clive got in the grass and lost control. Poor Doni had nowhere to go ending his race. There was no way I was going to get away from Clive. And if I could have broke the tow Doni was getting, it would have been incredibly difficult. I saw Doni hit 229 mph (368 kph) in his Porsche. I didn´t think the Porsche could go that fast.

Pete´s demise was interesting. He slightly clipped a haybale on the left after the start-finish line. He may not have realized he lost a wheel. He was doing 216 mph (347 kph) on 3 wheels. He didn´t make the turn 1.

I was hitting 232 mph (373 kph) in the tow. I´ve never gone so fast in the Ferrari. I think I might be able to go faster with a different gear but that would make the Ferrari much weaker in the turn 1. I wonder how fast Phil went on our qualifying lap. I hit 232 mph on that lap while Phil closed the gap somewhat quickly. It wouldn´t surprise me if he hit more than 240 mph (386 kph). I didn´t get that part of the replay saved since I left the server after our qualifying lap.

My apologies for the long post. Thanks for the racing guys and my commiserations to all the drivers that got a loaded chamber in the pistol as Fulvio mentioned.
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« Reply #23 on: November 20, 2021, 10:34:26 PM +0000 »

I wonder how fast Phil went on our qualifying lap. I hit 232 mph on that lap while Phil closed the gap somewhat quickly. It wouldn´t surprise me if he hit more than 240 mph (386 kph). I didn´t get that part of the replay saved since I left the server after our qualifying lap.
I got up to 235mph at one point so not much quicker, but I probably held the higher speeds for longer closing in under the tow which is probably where the lap time came from.

Yannick was right about the twitchy handing with low rear wing. I had my Shadow at 5 degrees, which is as low as I could get it. The car was a lot more stable with 15 degrees of wing. I didn't want to change the setup to much in case I made it worse. My main concern was keeping the rear tyres from overheating too much. So the only change I made to the default setup was gearing, steering ratio and tyre pressures (NSF 20 psi, OSF 18psi, NSR 18psi, OSR 18psi). The car was OK but I had to keep both hands on the steering wheel at all times and only make small changes in steering input.
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