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January 03, 2022, 08:42:06 PM +0000 - Brands Hatch (GP) - UKGTL Season 22 1965 BSCC
Driver
 Team
Nat. Make Model Class Qualifying Race
Tyres Pos Time/Gap Pos Time/Gap Laps Stops Best Retirement
reason
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fpolicardi
 Team7
Lotus Cortina (#955) TC-65 D2 2 +0.308
79.246mph
1 38:35.319
78.491mph
20 1:54.528
79.339mph
Dunlop  
Geoffers
 Kerb Crawlers
Austin Mini Cooper 970S (#41) TC-65 D1 1 1:54.355
79.459mph
2 +5.406
78.308mph
20 1:54.620
79.276mph
Dunlop  
phspok
 Team Pseudo Racing
Austin Mini Cooper 970S (#138) TC-65 D1 3 +1.479
78.445mph
3 +43.874
77.031mph
20 1:55.958
78.361mph
Dunlop  
EvilClive
 Blue Moose Racing
Austin Mini Cooper 970S (#138) TC-65 D1 6 +2.531
77.739mph
4 +54.005
76.702mph
20 1:57.009
77.657mph
Dunlop  
Dominick
 
Ford Anglia Super (#66) TC-65 D2 9 +2.927
77.476mph
5 +1:06.674
76.294mph
20 1:57.469
77.353mph
Dunlop  
Dimitar Dulichki
 Turbo Racing
Austin Mini Cooper 970S (#41) TC-65 D1 5 +1.959
78.121mph
6 +1:13.322
76.082mph
20 1:55.696
78.538mph
Dunlop  
SpecialKS
 TEAM-GTLDK
Ford Anglia Super (#30) TC-65 D2 8 +2.830
77.540mph
7 +1:27.565
75.631mph
20 1:57.667
77.223mph
Dunlop  
seniordan
 Soggy Bottom Racers Club
Austin Mini Cooper 970S (#143) TC-65 D1 4 +1.487
78.439mph
8 +2:22.161
73.950mph
20 1:56.558
77.958mph
Dunlop  
Wiltshire Tony
 Toyland Racing
Ford Mustang (#892) TC-65 D2 7 +2.704
77.624mph
9 +1L
74.413mph
19 1:58.145
76.910mph
Dunlop  
Robby82
 
Austin Mini Cooper 970S (#1) TC-65 D1 10 +11.319
72.303mph
10 +2L
69.190mph
18 2:04.850
72.780mph
Dunlop  

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« Reply #15 on: January 03, 2022, 10:04:28 PM +0000 »

Results and replay now posted.
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« Reply #16 on: January 03, 2022, 10:12:21 PM +0000 »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L7hGrgUE_hc
Take a look at 43:22 where I recieve stop/go penalty for my first "cut". Is there any way I can be compensated with some time? I lost at least 25 seconds at the pit stop.  Roll Eyes Undecided
Yep that doesn't look like a cut to me. But that is one cut of the three that cause a pit in. So is it fair to compensate you for the entire time spent in the pits or only one third of that time?
But you will say that with only two cuts, for the entire race, you would not have been given a stop/go.

Anyone else have a view on whether Dimitar should be moved up to fourth place?
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« Reply #17 on: January 04, 2022, 10:23:39 AM +0000 »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L7hGrgUE_hc
Take a look at 43:22 where I recieve stop/go penalty for my first "cut". Is there any way I can be compensated with some time? I lost at least 25 seconds at the pit stop.  Roll Eyes Undecided
Having discussed this with the GTL Moderator we are both of the opinion that the cut was there for everyone to be caught out by. It is obvious that drivers that take liberties with track limits are more likely to be affected by bad cuts than those who drive within track limits.
Therefore we do not feel that a reward of recovered time lost retrospectively is fair, particularly to the drivers who would lose places and had done nothing wrong.
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« Reply #18 on: January 04, 2022, 10:32:55 AM +0000 »

Whilst not wishing to argue with a moderators decision, there is a precident to this. In the race linked below I was given the time penalty back for getting the exact same cut penalty that DD suffered.

https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=14142.0
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« Reply #19 on: January 04, 2022, 10:45:55 AM +0000 »

@Kurt,
           I had a stop and go in the penultimate lap and  got another one leaving the pits so the game put me back one position. I think I got the stop and goes in the same spot as Dimi and I agree with Tony's explanation. Just bad luck.
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« Reply #20 on: January 04, 2022, 10:46:46 AM +0000 »

Good race for me, just unable to stay with Fulvio's Cortina.

I was going with the 1275 Mini, but DD suggested I join him in the 970, so went with that instead even though I had not practiced it. Luckily I had a setup for it from a previous race here many moons ago & it worked well & was nearly as quick as the 1275.

Got a good start but Fulvio's Cortina was quicker away so had to chase him for the first half a dozen laps until I ran wide at Surtees & clipped the barrier. Just recovered before DD appeared then promptly lost the place by under steering off at Hawthorn. I was concerned that the impact with the barriers had damaged the steering but after that it all seemed fine, so was just my error. Got 2nd back at the end of the lap when DD headed for the pits so spent the rest of the race trying in vain to close the gap to Fulvio. I did pull a couple of seconds back but was never going to catch him.

Congrats to Fulvio on the win & to Matt in 3rd & to Dom & Tony winning their classes.  clap clap clap
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« Reply #21 on: January 04, 2022, 11:02:39 AM +0000 »

Whilst not wishing to argue with a moderators decision, there is a precident to this. In the race linked below I was given the time penalty back for getting the exact same cut penalty that DD suffered.

https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=14142.0
But another driver pleaded your case and the cut decision was over-ruled. If another driver does the same for Dimitar we will of course review again.
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« Reply #22 on: January 04, 2022, 11:06:26 AM +0000 »

Thanks to Geoff for the setup. I was struggling a lot with that Mini (as always Cheesy ) I think I was slower at the quali but found a little bit of pace at the race. I don't think I had a chance versus Fulvio and Geoff but maybe I could bring 3rd position home. After the stop/go we had great fun with Kurt and Tony. I overtake Kurt easier than Tony. To overtake Tony's Mustang I had to wait for a mistake. Few laps before the end of the race I decide to dive for the long right corner (I think it's corner number 4). Tony was surprised and let the inside open so I took it with more traction from my car. At acceleration he spam, so I was luccky because at the straight he was going to retake the position.

Grats to Fulvio, wonderful driving and to Geoff and Matt on their podiums.
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« Reply #23 on: January 04, 2022, 02:16:10 PM +0000 »

The game says I made four overtakes. Sounds good . But actually I had none and only the misfortunes of others put me much higher on the final score than anticipated (merited?). I doubt very much I could have caught anyone under my own power, let alone overtake them. Then again, I've never been fast in GTL (oh, P&G, where art thou?) and the bulk of the good or decent results I've ever had only come from: not making a mess, or at least a smaller mess than others. I'm glad I'm at least still able to do that, especially after having been away from a wheel for so long.

Speaking of which, after being out of the loop for 18 months (how has it been so long? What's wrong with the concept of time?  Shocked) I'm very uneasy about being in the position where I'm one of the people who would be affected result wise by a reversal of the decision about Dimitar's predicament. Ideally I'd rather stay out of it but not saying anything is also a choice. I could easily make a case for both viewpoints but ultimately:

The game is what it is and the tracks are what they are, i.e. far from perfect representations of the real thing. Is it Riverside where you can crash into the tyre barriers while being visually two feet away from them? And this spot, the outside of the exit from Druids at Brands Hatch is probably the most notorious one of all tracks when it comes to unfair S&G's. I'm sure I remember there have been similar situations in races on NoGrip too, next to those here. I was aware of it and avoided it like, well, the plague. Which probably made me slower overall. Events like these in simracing are like bad beats in poker: everyone has their stories about them.

It's a shame I wasn't aware this was the reason Dimitar ended up behind me otherwise my favourite solution to such issues has always been that I would have become mysteriously slower in the last part of the race just so that it happens that Dimitar would have only one second to gain on me in the final lap. A solution I've used on more than one occasion in the past and which I find not only a lot more fun but also much more in line with 'gentlemen racing' than having races decided on 'the green table'.

Please note that the above paragraphs have been written, deleted and re-written several times which indicates how much I loathe (being forced into) taking a position in this.

Congratulations to the gentlemen on the podium  clap

'Edit: Work's guaranteed to be hectic in the first month(s) of 2022 but I have every intention of doing at least this championship. I hope the weather and my health will cooperate in this.
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« Reply #24 on: January 04, 2022, 10:05:14 PM +0000 »

Sorry for my continued absence chaps.

I do now have internet, but yesterday was putting up lights and all sorts of other lovely stuff in the new place .....Plus, I only have wifi at this time into my office, and I am loathe to drive online on wifi just in case it isn't stable enough and causes issues for others. Hopefully back on track next week if I can sort a route into the office for a cable. Probably won't be this week as I have deliveries every day that need sorting, furniture etc.....
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