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  • NGT Sprint - S1 R1 - Barcelona: July 12, 2005
July 12, 2005, 09:22:52 PM +0100 - Barcelona (GP) - UKGTR GTR1 Sprint Season 1 N-GT
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Nat. Make Model Class Qualifying Race
Tyres Pos Time/Gap Pos Time/Gap Laps Stops Best Retirement
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Paul968
 Kerb Crawlers
Ferrari 360 Modena NGT 1 1:43.832
101.666mph
1 30:46.750
97.174mph
17 1:44.618
100.903mph
Pirelli  
Simon Gymer
 Team Shark
Ferrari 360 Modena NGT 2 +1.184
100.520mph
2 +15.601
96.360mph
17 1:45.683
99.886mph
Pirelli  
Bernie Lomax
 Ze insane Penguins
Porsche 996 GT2 Bi-turbo NGT 4 +1.293
100.416mph
3 (+2) +20.364
96.114mph
17 1:45.838
99.740mph
Pirelli  
Mike Wrightson
 dE Racing
Ferrari 360 Modena NGT 3 +1.268
100.440mph
4 +21.192
96.072mph
17 1:45.729
99.842mph
Dunlop  
Truetom
 Ze insane Penguins
Ferrari 360 Modena NGT 5 +1.597
100.126mph
5 +22.563
96.001mph
17 1:45.542
100.019mph
Dunlop  
fozzmeister
 The Crafty Butchers
Ferrari 360 Modena NGT 7 +2.836
98.963mph
6 +51.590
94.533mph
17 1:47.120
98.546mph
Pirelli  
Iain
 Ze insane Penguins
Ferrari 360 Modena NGT 8 +2.911
98.894mph
7 +1:08.851
93.681mph
17 1:47.812
97.913mph
Dunlop  
Brian Needham
 
Mosler MT900R NGT 6 +2.173
99.582mph
8 +1:13.189
93.470mph
17 1:48.276
97.494mph
Dunlop  
picnic
 Team Shark
Porsche 911 GT3-RS NGT 14 +4.932
97.056mph
9 +1:25.673
92.866mph
17 1:48.728
97.088mph
Dunlop  
malonejames
 
Ferrari 360 Modena NGT 11 +4.022
97.875mph
10 +1:36.985
92.325mph
17 1:48.611
97.193mph
Dunlop  
PaulW
 Legends Racing
Porsche 911 GT3-RS NGT 9 +2.965
98.844mph
11 +1L
91.434mph
16 1:47.860
97.870mph
Pirelli  
silver53
 Ze insane Penguins
Ferrari 360 Modena NGT 20 +6.873
95.355mph
12 +6.560
91.110mph
16 1:50.144
95.840mph
Dunlop  
Dave 'Gizmo' Gymer
 Team Shark
Mosler MT900R NGT 15 +4.976
97.017mph
13 +10.401
90.922mph
16 1:47.831
97.896mph
Dunlop  
rufbtr
 Speedworx
Porsche 911 GT3-RS NGT 17 +6.014
96.100mph
14 +12.907
90.799mph
16 1:49.710
96.219mph
Dunlop  
Wilier
 Kerb Crawlers
Mosler MT900R NGT 16 +5.334
96.699mph
15 +37.271
89.626mph
16 1:50.916
95.173mph
Dunlop  
as-here
 
Ferrari 360 Modena NGT 13 +4.254
97.665mph
16 +37.753
89.603mph
16 1:49.295
96.585mph
Dunlop  
CP
 
Gillet Vertigo Streiff NGT 19 +6.315
95.838mph
17 +1:04.035
88.370mph
16 1:50.292
95.712mph
Dunlop  
Oilseal
 Team Oldie Racing
Ferrari 360 Modena NGT 18 +1:50.250
86.284mph
16 1:55.021
91.777mph
Pirelli  
popabawa
 Legends Racing
Porsche 911 GT3-RS NGT 10 +3.480
98.370mph
19 +2L
85.647mph
15 1:49.452
96.446mph
Dunlop  
Glide
 
Porsche 911 GT3-RS NGT 21 +6.877
95.351mph
20 +12.970
85.050mph
15 1:50.140
95.844mph
Dunlop  
Don
 Kerb Crawlers
Ferrari 360 Modena NGT 12 +4.096
97.808mph
21 +23.379
84.577mph
15 1:49.391
96.500mph
Dunlop  
Rob Bywater "Kerb Crawlers"
 Kerb Crawlers
Gillet Vertigo Streiff NGT 22 +8.787
93.734mph
22 +7L 10 1:52.709
93.659mph
unknown
Dunlop  
Gruf
 
Porsche 911 GT3-RS NGT 18 +6.279
95.869mph
23 +11L 6 1:52.680
93.683mph
unknown
Dunlop  

Moderator's Report

I had one report from a driver that another driver had evidently closed all the vents on his car during qualifying for maximum speed down the straights. That in and of itself is fine, but if you do this you must be considerate towards other drivers and escape to the pits as soon as your last flying lap is finished and before you start smoking heavily.

If everyone starts driving round the track for several laps at a time with badly smoking engines we'll soon have a situation where visibility is too bad to safely drive!


Server replay time: 347s

Fozz is following Brian Needham into Seat and gets caught out by Brian's braking, tapping his left rear corner and spinning him out. This wasn't a passing attempt, just a misjudgement of the situation, so it's a racing incident.

  • Racing incident


Server replay time: 410s

Iain drafts Fozz down the start straight and outbrakes him into Elf, but takes too much inside curb, bounces and gets tagged by Fozz.

  • Racing incident


Server replay time: 420s

Iain gets a tow from Fozz on the start straight and outbrakes him into Elf. Iain takes too much curb, gets sideways and slows dramatically, causing Fozz to run into the back of him, spinning Iain out.

  • Racing incident


Server replay time: 443s

Paul Adams outbrakes himself into Elf, just getting the car stopped before running off the track. Gerald overestimates Paul's speed and runs into the back of him, spinning Paul out.


Server replay time: 540s

Popabawa is coming past the pits whilst Picnic is passing the exit. Popabawa just doesn't see him, whereas Picnic (who is a lap ahead) assumes that he knows he's there and will back off and let him through into Elf. Picnic turns in with Pops still alongside and contact results.

Popabawa didn't even know about the incident until after the race.

Both drivers could've been more aware of each other's position, but as this was a simple misunderstanding and failure to see, it's just a racing incident.

  • picnic (Picnic)advice — assume cars exiting the pits are alongside until visible in your mirrors
  • popabawaadvice — glance behind as you approach the pit exit


Server replay time: 584s

Gerald Greenwood is following Rob Bywater into Repsol and appears to misjudge his braking, making contact wth Rob. Gerald did not submit an incident report but on this occaision I'm going to give him the benefit of the doubt, however, in future if you hit another car please tell us your side of the story, otherwise you will lose any right of appeal if the moderator decides you were guilty of a bad passing attempt and penalises you.

  • Racing incident


Server replay time: 1178s

Shark has been held up by Mike Cooper for a couple of corners, and turns his lights on to warn Mike he is about to be lapped. Bernie Lomax, who is behind both, sees the gap Shark has left and piles into it, sideswiping Mike off the track.

It's possible that Bernie misjudged his braking and didn't mean to try and pass Mike, but since he did not submit an incident report, I can only make a judgement based on the replay evidence.

  • Bernie Lomaxpenalty — contact with Mike Cooper — 2 places lost


Server replay time: 1418s

Dave Gymer is following PaulW and misses his braking point for Elf, taking them both off the track. Dave subsequently does a stop and go for it, so the two place penalty is reduced to zero places.

(For those not familiar with the UKGPL system, a penalty of zero places is used to give a driver some yellow card points for bad driving even if they took an on-track penalty for the offence.)


Server replay time: 1583s

Shark is following Bernie Lomax into Elf and gets caught out under braking, locking a front wheel and finding himself alongside just after Bernie has turned in. The two collide and Michael Wrightson gets past.

  • Racing incident


Server replay time: 1694s

Bernie Lomax has two cars ahead and has to brake a little earlier and harder than normal for Elf. Michael Wrightson brakes as normal (perhaps even a little early) but can't avoid running into the rear left of Bernie.

  • Racing incident

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« Reply #30 on: July 12, 2005, 10:13:05 PM +0100 »

Replay available on the UKGTR website  Smiley
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« Reply #31 on: July 12, 2005, 10:30:00 PM +0100 »

Phew!!!

Qualified 3rd (nice Cheesy ) and got jumped by Bernie in the Bi-Turbo at the start with Truetom in behind me.  We stayed like that for much of the race until Bernie got past Shark then Shark had a go back and the two collided!  I nipped past Bernie only for him to outbrake me later on in the lap and get 3rd back.  Then we were all in a line as we came to lap a black Ferrari on the main straight.  When we got to the end of it, I braked a bit early and so did Bernie.  I was too close and nudged him at T1, spinning us both Sad  We both recovered and duly finished 3rd and 4th as we had been before.

Sorry Bernie.  That battle was too good to end like that  :'(
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« Reply #32 on: July 12, 2005, 10:53:13 PM +0100 »

That definitely had a little extra "frisson" over a fun race and was all the more enjoyable for it.
As I've said I'm off pace at Barca and so was pleased to get a PB 1:46 in qualifying and start 8th.

I found out why my times are fractionally off- I brake just slightly too early in comparrison to everyone else. Really enjoyed a tough fight with Iain, Pops and Fozz for about 4 laps- we swapped places a few times there eh guys? I was generally faster out of the corners but compromised when it came to the big stops Barca has. Eventually got to the front of that bunch and promptly spun it while trying to figure out if my tyres were too hot or not- they weren't before the spin but certainly were afterwards. Let everyone go by and rejoined.

Eventually Dave caught me up and overtook me, made a mistake at the last corner and I grabbed the place back. Got a big shunt from behind at the big stop into turn one and we both made our aquaintence with the barriers. Why does it take so long to get out of the sand there? No worries Dave, haven't looked at the replay but definitely felt like just one of those things. I can't believe, however, that you did a stop/go- you nutter! Impressed to bits with that. Let a few people past and found the car still worked! Bonus! Tailed Jam for a few laps but just couldn't pass you m8.

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« Reply #33 on: July 12, 2005, 11:05:04 PM +0100 »

NP Mike, like u say a great battle, we both got going in the same postions as pre spin so no harm done really.
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« Reply #34 on: July 12, 2005, 11:06:59 PM +0100 »

Race report:

Tootling around on formation lap and touch the inside of the curb on turn 3, instantly happy when i didn't go off because I really wasn't totally concentrating then... Hang on, somethings up, wheels a bit easy to turn... Oh SH***T, thats bad, Force feedback seems to have turned off, not just off but totally disabled so I don't even have a "spring" to help me. I contemplated retiring but figured I'd see how I go.

At about lap three, while still getting used to my new highly spinny wheel, I braked later than Brian Needham into Seat and I think Brian slowed his car down to a greater degree than I was capable of near the apex and I just tagged him in at the rear left spinning him into the gravel (sorry), this was just a stupid move. A few laps later I was slow out of the final corner and Iain got a good run at me, I looked back using the look L&R buttons to see his progress and and oooo that's a mistake... I start wobbling all over down the pit straight and without any FF to direct me back to centre I stuggle to get it lined up again (I'm honestly not trying to block here, I'm wobbling down all the straights to some degree!). Anyway Iain tries to go up the inside into Elf and I seem to tag him, I have my doubts that I was the root cause (watching the replay I notice he was spinning already) but decide to let him through later on as soon as its safe.

While thinking about this I mange to let PaulW get close at Repsol by just totally arsing it up, and then did the same thing at Seat letting him through, I don't usually make it so easy... I then noticed that Iain was behind me and I decided to let him through at La Caixa which nearly goes all wrong because PaulW spins infront of me meaning i have to crawl around him and let Iain up 2 places, I on the other hand find that PaulW has stopped spinning and is now facing the correct way so I don't even get to take advantage of his mistke  Angry

Thankfully it seems PaulW is a little slower than me and I start harrassing him a little... He eventually makes a mistake into the corners between Seat and Campsa spinning into the wall. I quickly close the gap to Iain which takes me about three laps, at which point when I get really close there's a Vertigo parked right before Campsa, Iain goes to the left taking a bit of grass and a few sparks, I think briefly about going right but I'm really focused on Iain's rear so follow him skimming the grass around the Vertigo, thankfully its not moving very fast (if at all, probably noticed us) so it doesn't cost either of us anything.... Back to Iain, Who I'm behind for about another two laps before he shafts it at exactly the same place as PaulW.

I do two more laps with reasonable effort and noticing that I'm about 10 seconds up on whoever is behind me, probably Iain or PaulW both of whom I was felt slightly faster than, and about 20 seconds to the guys infront, with no FF decide just cruise the rest, I'm probably 0.5-1sec off my race pace anyway because of my FF problem. The rest of the race was totally uneventful except a touch of grass into La Caixa which made me miss my braking point, thankfully I kept it all cool, and didn't lock and just did the wall of death thing around the outside.

In the end I think 6th was a pretty realistic and deserved finishing position for me this time out, although I wonder what my penalty will be for the Brian Needham incident... Perhaps I (quite rightly) will lose some time/places for that.

Fozzmeister

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« Reply #35 on: July 12, 2005, 11:27:56 PM +0100 »

Bernie & Mike!

The little spin you two had cost me 3rd place! You were spinning and as I was about 2 sec behind Mike I said: "There's my chance!" Came through and just about made it when Mike nudged me and I also spun. When I recovered I was back in 5th place.

No hard feeling though, I didn't deserve better than 5th place anyway. Best I could do was 1 sec behind Mike but otherwise I was about 2 - 3 sec behind - all the time, lol ! So, 5th is just about right as 6th (Fozzmeister) was quite far behind.

I must say I was a bit dissapointed with my performance. I practiced in the afternoon and I made 1:44:7 in the race with AI. Looking at GTRank I was expecting to go for the top but just couldn't get enough speed together. All in all I'm ok with the fact that I didn't screw up - that spin wasn't caused by me. Good race and the guys who I lapped let me through very smoothly, very fair. Thank you! Hopefully other races will be like this.
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« Reply #36 on: July 12, 2005, 11:36:54 PM +0100 »

Race results are available here:

http://www.filsca.com/results,gt,1000253,1361,2657,221,0

Mike Cooper isn't showing up as registered for the NGT Sprint league, so I've had to exclude his result for now (I'll re-upload when this is fixed). In the driver standings it's also awarding seperate points for the G2 & NGT classes, which we're looking into.
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« Reply #37 on: July 13, 2005, 12:01:02 AM +0100 »

It was 9:30 when I realised this race was running......BUM Sad
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« Reply #38 on: July 13, 2005, 12:27:41 AM +0100 »

I was initially gutted at my 19th place but in retrospect, I'm taking a lot of positives out of the race.

Happy to report absolutely no technical problems  Cheesy

The excitement building through practice and qualifying was fantastic, definately a different feel than the fun races.

Q'd in 10 which was much better than I'd anticipated, then had 3 brilliant laps handily in 9th following Fozz, Iain & PaulW. They were 'fully involved' in the racing, great to watch. A big confidence booster knowing I could keep pace there (at least for a while!).

Then, disaster; managed to spin, hit the wall and a busted splitter and a puncture was the result and I lost a lap in the pits. Must have just pushed a bit too hard, desparately disappoining as I'd run about 50 laps over the last few days and not managed to make that particular mistake once.  Sad A lesson to be learned about unscheduled pit-stop's too. I'd not paid any attention to my pit strategy so I ended up with a totally full tank of fuel to boot which didn't help...  Grin

Have to apologise to Paul968 as I made a right pig's ear of letting him past on the last lap, hope it didn't give you too much cause for concern, I was horrified until I realised there was going to be no contact  Embarrassed

Absolutely brilliant fun, can't wait 'til next week!

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« Reply #39 on: July 13, 2005, 01:34:33 AM +0100 »

was well good!!!

i was stuggling with frame rate, have been in a couple of games dont know why!

was a little dissapointed to be well off my normal times in quali but never mind!

started 7th odd i forget lol

PaulW was behind me, and going faster and i was going faster than fozz at the start, so that was quite interesting

Paul was having some cracks at me and i was managing to keep him back for a while

first time i got near enough to fozz i had to avoid a slow car so i lost a bit of time, i think this was where PaulW got in front, which was kinda useful, as he was the fastest at the time, he caught fozz and their battling let me catch up again, i cant remember exactly, but i think paul got in front then i tried to make an ambitious move past fozz and span

fozz must have got used to his tech probs at this moment and he started battling with paul so i again caught up

then to my luck, Paul went a bit off line and span, also fozz seemed to go wide and must have had to slow down to stop a crash or something, so i went off on my merry way

started to relax a little bit as i was in front and i had just done some pressured driving, which was my mistake as fozz had started catching fast

i gradually heard his engine getting louder and louder, and i was hoping to maybe put the moves he ususally tried on me when he is in front except disaster struck and i just rive into a wall Sad Sad Sad

i dunno why, but after that i was settled in 7th

nice race

when i fix my pc the next one will be better Grin
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« Reply #40 on: July 13, 2005, 09:13:31 AM +0100 »

then to my luck, Paul went a bit off line and span, also fozz seemed to go wide and must have had to slow down to stop a crash or something, so i went off on my merry way

I was trying to let you through! I thought I spun you into turn one on the same lap, so I went wide (there's always grip up there on that corner). Unfortunately it all went pear shaped when PaulW spun totally blocking my path... I had to crawl around him to the inside to avoid contact.

Still it was about this time when I was just really starting to get comfy with my spinny wheel and could start pushing a little instead watching my wheel to see how far i'd turned it!

Considering my problems I was well happy with 6th

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« Reply #41 on: July 13, 2005, 09:22:33 AM +0100 »

it was a good race, but i completely sucked big time, managed to finish on 16e , but started on 17e place, so that is not that good, don't know what it was but couldn't get the speed  up. and had some hardtime to keep the car straight when braking.

ahh wel next better, and barca isn't my favorite track anyways.
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« Reply #42 on: July 13, 2005, 09:46:11 AM +0100 »

I was distinctly dissapointed with my qualification, Id done a few 47's in practice in race trim, then in qual I got bitten by the 1fps bug, had to drop out and come back and only had time for one lap, so qual was 16th.

Sneaked past Dave at the start, then one more and from then people seemed to drop like flies, think I got upto 9th, then spun under pressure from a black 360 filling my mirror, rejoined in about 13th only to be tagged and spun again.

Ended in 15th, which is a positive I guess, since I at least went forward from quals.

Have to say that I was shaking like a leaf in the 1st few laps trying to fend off Dave and the 360, and I really really need to extend my braking points, I seem to lose soooo much into the heavy braking that its just not real.

Roll on Magny.............better get some practice me-thinks Wink
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« Reply #43 on: July 13, 2005, 09:54:40 AM +0100 »

Rather a contrast with recent races for me, in that everything went perfectly! I knew I was in with a good shout, having found a peach of a 360 setup a few days ago, and as it turned out I got pole by some margin. I did feel that there was a bit less grip in qual, as the tail was a bit lively - did anyone else get that impression?

The race was fairly uneventful, as I gradually eased away from Simon and the chasing pack. The backmarkers were very polite, although I had a couple of moments. First when Rufbtr let me past at Seat by slowing down and staying wide, where I wasn't expecting it and could easily have locked up and rear ended him (luckily I was on the ball and ducked down the inside). Although this way probably helps me by losing least time, I'd suggest waiting till round the corner and then just let me past by not accelerating as hard. The other moment was on the last lap with Popa, when he stayed on the left to let me by into La Caixa, but missed his braking point and nearly took me off mid corner Shocked The best thing here would have been for Popa to stay on the racing line and let me move off it. As long as you just blend out of the throttle a touch to let me get by then its much safer.

Anyway, all's well that ends well - 10 points in the bag and roll on Magny Cours!

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« Reply #44 on: July 13, 2005, 10:07:54 AM +0100 »

sorry paul but i had too take it slow, otherwise i would have spun, and maybe took us bout out.
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