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July 24, 2005, 09:38:21 PM +0100 - Barcelona (GP) - UKGTR GTR1 Endurance Season 1 Division 2
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Nat. Make Model Class Qualifying Race
Tyres Pos Time/Gap Pos Time/Gap Laps Stops Best Retirement
reason
Ballast
Matjaz Plotajs
 dE Racing
Ferrari 360 Modena NGT 9 +3.394
94.365mph
1 1:00:16.620
90.483mph
31 1:53.338
93.139mph
Dunlop  
ginsters sponsored
 Kerb Crawlers
Lister Storm GT1 3 +0.915
96.504mph
2 +24.525
89.874mph
31 1:50.879
95.205mph
Dunlop  
aajay_uk
 
Ferrari 550 Maranello GT1 10 +4.475
93.462mph
3 +1L
87.295mph
30 1:53.638
92.894mph
Michelin  
Nick Phillips
 Team Shark
Lamborghini Murcielago R-GT GT1 5 +2.071
95.494mph
4 +6.818
87.131mph
30 1:51.010
95.093mph
Michelin  
Zacari
 
Ferrari 550 Maranello GT1 4 +1.346
96.125mph
5 +40.159
86.339mph
30 1:51.592
94.597mph
Pirelli  
Dave 'Gizmo' Gymer
 Team Shark
Mosler MT900R NGT 16 +8.613
90.159mph
6 +1:09.480
85.654mph
30 1:57.645
89.730mph
Dunlop  
[ZiP]Tyf
 Ze insane Penguins
Porsche 996 GT2 Bi-turbo NGT 13 +7.592
90.952mph
7 +1:14.318
85.542mph
30 1:55.834
91.132mph
Pirelli  
Simon Gymer
 Team Shark
BMW Z3M G3 17 +9.221
89.693mph
8 +1:16.725
85.487mph
30 1:58.555
89.041mph
Dunlop  
popabawa
 Legends Racing
Porsche 911 GT3-RS NGT 18 +10.061
89.057mph
9 +2L
84.324mph
29 1:58.167
89.333mph
Dunlop  
mclaessen
 Speedworx
Saleen S7-R GT1 1 1:48.472
97.318mph
10 (+1) +28.042
83.678mph
29 1:50.871
95.212mph
Dunlop  
Jamera
 Kerb Crawlers
Ferrari 360 Modena NGT 14 +8.108
90.549mph
11 (+3) +3L
80.947mph
28 1:58.635
88.981mph
Dunlop  
silver53
 Ze insane Penguins
Ferrari 360 Modena NGT 19 +12.508
87.256mph
12 +4L
78.101mph
27 2:00.300
87.749mph
Pirelli  
simon67
 Ze insane Penguins
Ferrari 575 GTC GT1 2 +0.845
96.565mph
13 +8L 23 1:50.385
95.631mph
unknown
Pirelli  
mo
 
Ferrari 575 GTC GT1 6 +2.323
95.277mph
14 23 1:52.229
94.060mph
unknown
Pirelli  
Vekiq
 Team Shark
Lamborghini Murcielago R-GT GT1 7 +2.436
95.180mph
15 +9L 22 1:51.659
94.540mph
unknown
Michelin  
as-here
 
Ferrari 360 Modena NGT 15 +8.511
90.237mph
16 +14L 17 1:56.861
90.332mph
unknown
Dunlop  
Don
 Kerb Crawlers
BMW Z3M G3 21 +14.263
86.008mph
17 +21L 10 2:02.584
86.114mph
unknown
Dunlop  
Tazman
 Team Shark
Lamborghini Murcielago R-GT GT1 8 +3.331
94.418mph
18 (+2) +22L 9 1:53.558
92.959mph
unknown
Michelin  
Oilseal
 Team Oldie Racing
Saleen S7-R GT1 12 +7.131
91.315mph
19 9 2:00.737
87.432mph
unknown
Dunlop  
fozzmeister
 The Crafty Butchers
Porsche 996 GT3 Cup G3 22 +23.990
79.693mph
20 9 2:05.858
83.874mph
unknown
Pirelli  
Iain
 Ze insane Penguins
Ferrari 360 Modena NGT 11 +6.717
91.643mph
21 +29L 2 2:15.222
78.066mph
unknown
Dunlop  
Steve_T
 
Ferrari 360 Modena NGT 20 +12.696
87.121mph
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Dunlop  

Moderator's Report

Drivers are reminded that if it's raining, you should be running with lights on.


I've talked in the past about the dangers of overdriving. In this particular race, I watched Maurice Claessen run wide about 20% of the time, and go off far too often. I don't expect anyone to never go off or make a mistake, but it's essential that you attempt to drive within your personal limits; paddling a car out of the gravel traps every five laps is frustrating for you and dangerous for other drivers.


Server replay time: 200s

Just when I was starting to think we'd got the hang of rolling starts, we have a big smash at the start line.

Maurice Claessen who is leading the pace lap starts to accelerate well before the line, but the real culprit is Tazman who comes out of the last corner and immediately passes a whole bunch of cars. There is then a chain reaction with a whole load of cars having to stand on the anchors, which causes Oilseal to ram into the back of aajay_uk, [Zip]Tyf joining the fun. Gerald nearly joins in too.

  • mclaessen (Maurice Claessen)warning — premature acceleration on the pace lap
  • Tazmanpenalty — going on the pace lap before the driver in front went — 0 places lost


Server replay time: 284s

Tazman spins off out of turn 12. He rejoins, drifting lazily across the track as most of the rest of the field come past - they do well to miss him, Gerald taking to the grass to avoid contact.

As this is the first racing lap, it would normally be an additional place lost over the normal three, but since nobody actually hits him, and since he does appear to be at least trying to get out of the way, I've reduced it to just two places.

In this situation, it's best to remain stationary and/or off track and use the look behind/left/right functions to see if it's safe to rejoin. This gives everyone else the greatest chance to avoid you. Once you do rejoin, in most circumstances you should not attempt to cross to the other side of the track, even to get off the racing line, because again it makes you very unpredictable and hard to avoid.

  • Tazmanpenalty — dangerous rejoin — 2 places lost


Server replay time: 325s

Jamera has a huge moment in turn 12 and Dave Gymer gets more than halfway alongside on the inside into New Holland. Jamera turns in on Dave and there's contact but they both continue without damage or spinning, so as a result the normal penalty (three places on the first racing lap) is reduced.

  • Jamerapenalty — contact with Dave Gymer — 1 place lost (plus 1 for penalty points)


Server replay time: 352s

Popabawa gets half a car length ahead of Jamera on the inside of Elf, but Jamera turns in on him and there is contact. Although neither car spun or was badly damaged, and despite Jamera not losing the place, the full penalty must apply because this is the second such incident in the space of less than 30 seconds.

  • Jamerapenalty — contact with Popabawa — 2 places lost (plus 1 for penalty points)


Server replay time: 400s

Jamera gets caught out under braking for Wurth and runs into the back of Popabawa, who brakes very early compared to his normal braking point, and is very slow mid-corner. Jamera comes off far worse, losing a place to Shark in the Z3M, so I'm only going to issue a caution.

  • Jameracaution — rear ending Popabawa


Server replay time: 1400s

Zacari has just left the pits on fresh but cold wet tyres; he applies to much power on the exit of Repsol and spins into the back of Michael Cooper, spinning both out.

  • Zacariadvice — be careful on cold tyres, especially when near other cars


Server replay time: 1403s

Maurice Claessen's Saleen has run wide at La Caixa, allowing Popabawa's GT3-RS to lap him. Pops runs wide in Turn 12 and Maurice sees it as an opportunity to unlap himself, but doesn't leave Popabawa enough room to recover without going off and makes contact.

Maurice only had himself to blame for going off at La Caixa and forcing another driver off the road after they had made a lesser mistake was needlessly agressive. However, because there was some ambiguity in the situation, I'm reducing the penalty to a single place.


Server replay time: 1475s

Tazman has gone off at Wurth, and rejoins up the hill only to spin again as he tries to apply some power. He rejoins again and drives very slowly across the track towards the apex of Campsa before retiring just as Dave Gymer arrives.

Dave starts going to the right to avoid him, but Tazman continues to move, and being hard on the brakes Dave can't jink to the left and would've made contact - it was pure luck that Tazman hit escape just as Dave was about to crash into him.

Much like Taz's earlier off at 284s, having decided to rejoin, the one thing you must not do is cross the track with cars approaching. They stand very little chance of avoiding you.

  • Tazmanwarning — bad (aborted) rejoin


Server replay time: 1510s

Maurice has run off in La Caixa; as Popabawa approaches Maurice applies too much throttle and spins right across Popa's path.

  • Racing incident


Server replay time: 3639s

aajay_uk has a slow, lazy spin in Banc Sabadell and Popabawa can't quite squeeze past on the inside, spinning out as he clip's aajay's nose.

  • Racing incident

SimRacing.org.uk Lap Records
GTR
G3
1:57.693
89.693mph
Simon Gymer
Qualifying
BMW Z3MJuly 24, 2005, 09:38:21 PM +0100
UE1D2
GTR
G3
1:58.555
89.041mph
Simon Gymer
Race
BMW Z3MJuly 24, 2005, 09:38:21 PM +0100
UE1D2
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« Reply #15 on: July 24, 2005, 08:04:37 AM +0100 »

If Div1 one guys were to run in Div 2 it would be nice to see them run NGT, so those of us only running once get a chance in GT.

Just a thought, and also would beef out the NGT class by the look of it
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« Reply #16 on: July 24, 2005, 09:45:21 AM +0100 »

How about this??

If Div1 guys could fill out a Div2 race (and vice-versa come to think of it) why don't they all drive the Porsche Cup cars?  They won't score points, helps the NGT field a bit and since they are slower, shouldn't interfere with the main race.  They can also have some fun amongst themselves Cheesy

I'm not usually one to race outside of my division as I don't want to potentially spoil a race for others.  This does seem like a way of guaranteeing that those drivers would be kept out of the way, they should be very easy for anyone to lap in a straight line too.
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« Reply #17 on: July 24, 2005, 10:04:41 AM +0100 »

How about this??

If Div1 guys could fill out a Div2 race (and vice-versa come to think of it) why don't they all drive the Porsche Cup cars?  They won't score points, helps the NGT field a bit and since they are slower, shouldn't interfere with the main race.  They can also have some fun amongst themselves Cheesy

I'm not usually one to race outside of my division as I don't want to potentially spoil a race for others.  This does seem like a way of guaranteeing that those drivers would be kept out of the way, they should be very easy for anyone to lap in a straight line too.

Yeh something like that, It'd be nice if we had a non-porsche choice too, but i have drove the car you describe to offer a alternative. If I race, I don't want a chance of taking (or battling) for the lead in my class.
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« Reply #18 on: July 24, 2005, 10:15:13 AM +0100 »

If the Div 1 guys are coming in to fill the places, I think it's a good move for them to drive non-scoring cars.

There could be guys intending to run NGT in Div 2 who would be severely disadvantaged if not.

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« Reply #19 on: July 24, 2005, 10:42:01 AM +0100 »

Yep that seems more than fair to the regular Div 2 drivers
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« Reply #20 on: July 24, 2005, 03:02:09 PM +0100 »

At present. You can't compete in any Endurance and be Reserve too as that style of registration was impossible.

It would very much like to race, but without an official word I won't be racing. I'm going to assume its meant to be this way without word Shark, Dave or Paul968 etc.

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« Reply #21 on: July 24, 2005, 03:32:58 PM +0100 »

why do div1 people need to do a race they did last week? :-|
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« Reply #22 on: July 24, 2005, 04:38:41 PM +0100 »

why do div1 people need to do a race they did last week? :-|

The love of a race:)  racing is in the blood! the turn out for div 1 last week was a tad disappointing, if the numbers are low for div 2 I'd race if allowed :|
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« Reply #23 on: July 24, 2005, 04:48:56 PM +0100 »

why do div1 people need to do a race they did last week? :-|

The love of a race:)  racing is in the blood! the turn out for div 1 last week was a tad disappointing, if the numbers are low for div 2 I'd race if allowed :|

Same here.
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« Reply #24 on: July 24, 2005, 05:18:06 PM +0100 »

can't stop.... gotta drive fast..... need to drive..... cant help it......

but i realise that me racing would likely take one of the top 5 slots or so, and that certainly isn't fair. I probably only just squeacked into div 1

thats the point of divisions after all. certainly if the really quick guys start racing in D2 that'd ruin it all as they would easily win

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« Reply #25 on: July 24, 2005, 05:19:05 PM +0100 »

At present. You can't compete in any Endurance and be Reserve too as that style of registration was impossible.

It would very much like to race, but without an official word I won't be racing. I'm going to assume its meant to be this way without word Shark, Dave or Paul968 etc.
Yep, agree with this 100%

And yeah, it's just the love of racing Smiley  IF this is made possible, there is no reason why Div 2 runners could not fill the Div1 race in non-scoring cars (eg. Porsche Cup) works both ways.

Anyway, over to the Admins for the yes/no to this. Smiley
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« Reply #26 on: July 24, 2005, 05:49:18 PM +0100 »

It did cross my mind but I didn't realise the divisions were divided into div2 fast, div1 faster, thought it was drawn random.  I shouldn't be in div one if it's based on speed!  Grin I'll be getting relgated this year then or maybe stay up in a play off Smiley
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« Reply #27 on: July 24, 2005, 06:06:24 PM +0100 »

It did cross my mind but I didn't realise the divisions were divided into div2 fast, div1 faster, thought it was drawn random.  I shouldn't be in div one if it's based on speed!  Grin I'll be getting relgated this year then or maybe stay up in a play off Smiley

Me too probably. But certainly the quick guys in D1 would easily win D2 races, maybe me being a very low runner in D1 might not effect it so much, but I am in D1, and it's going to be best if D1 as a group stay out of go in the D2 races, unless there's an official word giving us a very severe penalty in time/car/whatever in running in D2.

Certainly if I were in D2 and all the D1 guys started taking away all the points etc I would be very upset.

I may well setup a server or something later on and have a blast. It'll only be capable of 7ish, but that GT Sprint we did on Smoothy's was one of the best races I've ever had, if anybody wants to join me, or setup an alternative server, feel free.

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« Reply #28 on: July 24, 2005, 06:16:46 PM +0100 »

Maybe the Div1 drivers could enter the race (if there are any slots left) at the start of Q2?

That way, all the full-time and reserve drivers get their slots, than the Div1 guys can join in non-scoring cars?

Just an idea...

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« Reply #29 on: July 24, 2005, 06:29:37 PM +0100 »

It'll be interesting to be able to compare the two divisions after a few rounds to see how much slower we all are!  Tongue Roll Eyes Wink

I can invisage there being a smaller gap as the season goes on as people get used to racing online and get more practice in.  I'd be a bit miffed if D1 guys came in using cars that would (probably) take points off us, but I'd rather you guys raced than there being spaces spare on the grid.

I was hoping before the season started that the Endurance championships would run on the same night at the same time every week, rather than being alternate, but presumeably hosting both on one server proved problematic?
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