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June 10, 2007, 09:01:34 PM +0100 - Enna - UKGTR Season 5 Endurance Clubmen
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Nat. Make Model Class Qualifying Race
Tyres Pos Time/Gap Pos Time/Gap Laps Stops Best Retirement
reason
Ballast
BACKO
 Racin24-7
Ferrari 550 Maranello (#990037) GT1 1 1:29.074
124.731mph
1 1:11:18.509
114.257mph
44 1:30.937
122.175mph
Michelin +25.0kg
picnic
 Team Shark
Maserati MC12 (#870001) GT1 4 +4.815
118.334mph
2 +1L
111.157mph
43 1:34.732
117.281mph
Pirelli -20.0kg
Dave 'Gizmo' Gymer
 Team Shark
Chevrolet Corvette C5-R (#910001) GT1 3 +4.198
119.117mph
3 +2L
107.810mph
42 1:34.100
118.069mph
Michelin -15.0kg
Gomes Silva
 Sonic Racing Team
Porsche 996 GT3-RSR (#980031) GT2 9 +9.292
112.948mph
4 +3L
105.710mph
41 1:40.064
111.031mph
Michelin +20.0kg
LEUVEN
 Team Shark
Dodge Viper Competition Coupé (#4115) GT3 6 +8.198
114.218mph
5 +3.270
105.630mph
41 1:37.728
113.685mph
Dunlop +10.0kg
Reign Man
 Team Pseudo Racing
Dodge Viper Competition Coupé (#720052) GT3 12 +10.217
111.896mph
6 +20.661
105.206mph
41 1:40.054
111.043mph
Dunlop +10.0kg
popabawa
 Legends Racing
Gillet Vertigo Streiff (#940008) GTC 16 +11.128
110.879mph
7 +58.101
104.304mph
41 1:41.985
108.940mph
Dunlop -25.0kg
Adam Parle
 Legends Racing
Gillet Vertigo Streiff (#940008) GTC 18 +12.020
109.900mph
8 +4L
103.471mph
40 1:42.088
108.830mph
Dunlop -25.0kg
Simon Gymer
 Team Shark
Dodge Viper Competition Coupé (#4115) GT3 10 +9.687
112.496mph
9 +27.854
102.804mph
40 1:39.631
111.514mph
Dunlop +10.0kg
ginsters sponsored
 Kerb Crawlers
Gillet Vertigo Streiff (#990013) GTC 15 +10.981
111.041mph
10 +5L
101.090mph
39 1:41.311
109.665mph
Dunlop -25.0kg
pribeiro
 
Porsche 996 GT3 Cup (#4124) GT3 23 +13.414
108.405mph
11 +6.869
100.928mph
39 1:43.577
107.266mph
Pirelli +10.0kg
Eddie Meyer
 Kerb Crawlers
Gillet Vertigo Streiff (#990013) GTC 22 +12.854
109.001mph
12 +29.869
100.390mph
39 1:43.662
107.178mph
Dunlop -25.0kg
silver53
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Mosler MT900R (#880001) GTC 20 +12.535
109.343mph
13 +6L
97.629mph
38 1:42.234
108.675mph
Dunlop +20.0kg
purdie
 Racin24-7
Porsche 996 GT3 Cup (#4121) GT3 19 +12.176
109.731mph
14 +37.286
96.795mph
38 1:41.004
109.998mph
Pirelli +10.0kg
Jeffrey
 Team Shark
Dodge Viper Competition Coupé (#4115) GT3 7 +8.275
114.128mph
15 +10L 34 1:37.807
113.594mph
accident
Dunlop +10.0kg
Jure
 Racin24-7
Ferrari 550 Maranello (#990037) GT1 2 +1.051
123.276mph
16 (+2) +15L 29 1:32.555
120.039mph
unknown
Michelin +25.0kg
rufbtr
 Speedworx
Saleen S7-R (#4004) GT1 5 +6.338
116.445mph
17 +19L 25 1:34.841
117.146mph
accident
Pirelli +5.0kg
Munkez
 Team Pseudo Racing
Ferrari 360 GTC (#760052) GT2 13 +10.923
111.106mph
18 +21L 23 1:39.294
111.892mph
unknown
Pirelli -10.0kg
psuedo
 Team Pseudo Racing
Gillet Vertigo Streiff (#770052) GTC 14 +10.944
111.083mph
19 +24L 20 1:41.428
109.538mph
accident
Dunlop -25.0kg
jan duijs
 
Porsche 996 GT3-RSR (#4099) GT2 8 +8.764
113.558mph
20 +30L 14 1:39.711
111.425mph
unknown
Michelin +20.0kg
Joss
 Team Shark
Dodge Viper Competition Coupé (#4115) GT3 11 +10.207
111.907mph
21 +32L 12 1:39.502
111.659mph
accident
Dunlop +10.0kg
lincescom
 Sonic Racing Team
Porsche 996 GT3-RSR (#980031) GT2 17 +11.547
110.417mph
22 +34L 10 1:41.070
109.926mph
unknown
Michelin +20.0kg
will16v
 
Porsche 996 GT3-RSR (#4088) GT2 24 +17.824
103.933mph
23 +36L 8 1:43.531
107.313mph
accident
Dunlop +20.0kg
Truetom
 Legends Racing
Porsche 996 GT3 Cup (#850008) GT3 21 +12.836
109.020mph
24 +43L 1 3:03.122
60.671mph
suspension
Pirelli +10.0kg

Moderator's Report

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The pacelap was very untidy at this event, eventually resulting in a pile up as the cars came onto the start finish straight to begin the race. Backo, who led the field around, set a very fast pace earlier in the lap but then slowed down almost to a complete stop in the final sector. This may have been to allow the cars behind to close up but it was not a wise plan.
Backo is first contacted by the unsuspecting Jure and then there is a lot of minor collisions behind as drivers try to avoid each others stopped cars.

The polesitter should aim for a pace lap speed of 120kmh on the straights, which is very important in multiclass racing to allow the slower classes to keep up.

  • BACKOcaution — excessive speed on the pace lap
  • BACKOwarning — failure to follow the start procedure rules


Server replay time: 376s

Jure is following Dave Gymer down the back straight and is behind as they reach the braking zone. Dave brakes for the corner and Jure, who brakes relatively late, runs out of space and contacts Dave as he turns in for the chicane.
Dave had every right to take the corner and Jure did not get alonside before turn-in. Anyway this was not an ovetaking attempt - Jure did not move right until he realised he had nowhere to go - but Jure should have shown more caution on the first lap.
Normally first lap contact is a 3 place penalty but I'm reducing this because it was not an intentional overtaking move and Jure waited for Dave to continue.

SimRacing.org.uk Lap Records
GTR2
GT3
1:37.272
114.218mph
LEUVEN
Qualifying
Dodge Viper Competition Coupé
+10.0kg
June 10, 2007, 09:01:34 PM +0100
U5Ec
GTR2
GT3
1:37.728
113.685mph
LEUVEN
Race
Dodge Viper Competition Coupé
+10.0kg
June 10, 2007, 09:01:34 PM +0100
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« on: June 07, 2007, 08:16:03 AM +0100 »

Practice 1:20:00(15 mins)full time drivers only
Practice 2:20:15(10 mins)reserves may join too
Qual 1:20:25(5 mins)Masters may join too
Qual 2:20:30(25 mins)
Race:20:55(80 mins)note: no warmup!

Cars allowed: any GT1, G2, GT2, GTC or GT3 from the UKGTR Skin Pack v2.4 (G2 and GT3 cars will not score points).
Weather: changeable, based on real-world conditions at the start of the event.
Track: Enna
Race Start Time 14:00
Pit Stops: All drivers must make a minimum of one pit stop. This must involve entering the pit lane at the speed limit, and coming to a complete standstill in the designated pit box. Tyres do not have to be changed and no fuel has to be added. You cannot take your mandatory stop at the end of the pace lap, or with less than 1 lap to go.

Server: UKGTR Endurance Clubmen
Password: available from the event page (see the Show Password link under the announcement text)

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(1) Please make sure you are fully aware of the UKGTR Rules - especially the speed limiter starting procedure and the rules about in-game chat messages.
(2) Driver lists can be found on the championship standings page
(2b) Reserves (anyone without a full time spot) should not join until the stated session, regardless of the time.
(2c) Drivers with a full time spot in the Endurance Masters should only take G2 or GT3 cars. Other reserves may take any permitted car.
(3) You will not be able to join the server without the skin and ballast pack (see link above).
(4) Drivers may only change car once in the season without penalty.
(5) Drivers are reminded that they must select ISDN as their bandwidth, otherwise the stability of everyone's connection will be reduced.
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« Reply #1 on: June 07, 2007, 08:21:16 AM +0100 »

Really not looking forward to this one........
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« Reply #2 on: June 07, 2007, 08:30:01 AM +0100 »

Many moon ago, I remember it was decided that Enna events would always be dry (bloody health and safety Smiley) Is that still the case? For me, it still makes sense.
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« Reply #3 on: June 07, 2007, 08:43:03 AM +0100 »

To be honest, I think it would be better in the wet.  At the moment to be in with a chance of winning you've got to pretty much straight-line the chicanes and hammer over the kerbs.  You'd never drive like that in real life as crashing has major consequences - death isn't something I fancy risking for a tenth of a second off my lap time.

If it's wet the margin for error is that much smaller that to finish the race you'd have to drive sensibly (ie. closer to how you would in real life) so I for one am hoping for rain.
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« Reply #4 on: June 07, 2007, 06:13:46 PM +0100 »

I quite enjoy enna  Huh it is dangerous with the tyre walls and as you rightly say the only way to possibly compete for high places is to take the risky option through the chicanes....but it is what it is...a risky option.

 So ok, the aliens will (probably) do it and (mostly) get away with it..for the mid-field runners there is the choice, risk it or safer option...and for the backmarkers (like myself) there doesn't seem much point risking it....steady and safe (hopefully).

Not many tracks can offer that sort of diversity and I reckon it's going to be pretty interesting to see which school of thought wins the day....
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« Reply #5 on: June 08, 2007, 12:29:21 AM +0100 »

I'd vote for 120 mins enduro any day of the week.  Grin  Wink
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« Reply #6 on: June 08, 2007, 04:50:36 AM +0100 »

In Enna? It's all yours.  Sad

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« Reply #7 on: June 08, 2007, 11:21:59 AM +0100 »

well hey, why not? endurance should be a real test of men and machines.

what better place to do it then in hardest (mentally) track out there? Wink
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« Reply #8 on: June 08, 2007, 01:11:02 PM +0100 »

i dont think enna is about being the hardest track mentally at all. Its all about cheating natural physics and what would be the fear factor in a real car. Here the way to a fast lap is just to fly through those two chicanes at the most maximum velocity you can get away with...or not Roll Eyes  You would never attempt to straightline them the same way in a real car like you need to do for a fast lap here...so where is the 'simulation/realism' in that.
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Qually in the sprint was like a demolition derby with ludricrous amounts of smashed up GT cars on almost every lap. If anything i'd prefer it if there was no way of attempting to straightline the chicanes and you had to slow, downshift and 'drive' through them like a chicanes meant to do.
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« Reply #9 on: June 08, 2007, 01:22:07 PM +0100 »

Qually in the sprint was like a demolition derby with ludricrous amounts of smashed up GT cars on almost every lap. If anything i'd prefer it if there was no way of attempting to straightline the chicanes and you had to slow, downshift and 'drive' through them like a chicanes meant to do.

I've said before I think that I wish there was a penalty in sims for bending the car (or dumping it in a gravel trap) during practice and qually.

I decided to forego the GTL race last night in favour or some Enna race pace practice in the Corvette (and a large glass of wine Wink ). I won here in Endurance Division 2 back in the GTR1 days but between the switch the GT1 and me getting older I'm really struggling for consistency here; I think this will be my last and only season in GT1 and I will return to my 350Z for Season 6.
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« Reply #10 on: June 08, 2007, 01:54:17 PM +0100 »

I'd like to share some other thoughts on this track if I may.

Enna should be revised as per corner cutting goes IMHO....

1. exit out of Schumacher chicane: you can ride those left side curbs (not that you want to anyway, but still, it happens if you're insane) and gain time. Lots of it if you take the chicane in 4th gear (if heavy curb riding would be penalised, we'd all take it in 3rd).

2. 2nd part (exit, left-right) @ first double chicane combo. Way too much curb riding permitted, saw it happening @ GT1 sprint a lot.

3. Chicane @ pitlane entry (exit to S/F straight). Same thing, one can cut like crazy. Not that it's healthy, but it's doable.

4. above 3 would also slow us down and make it a bit more realistic. Wink
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« Reply #11 on: June 08, 2007, 02:27:48 PM +0100 »

We won't bother with a "UKGTR Enna" because it's a Season 5 special - we won't be back and it's now too late to provide our own version. Besides which, if you consistently push the limits, sooner or later you're going to come a cropper.
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« Reply #12 on: June 08, 2007, 02:57:31 PM +0100 »

well hey, why not? endurance should be a real test of men and machines.

what better place to do it then in hardest (mentally) track out there? Wink

It's just the (not)liking of the track, Jure. Take any other track (except Anderstorp  Grin) and I'm in.  thumbup1

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« Reply #13 on: June 08, 2007, 05:35:32 PM +0100 »

I dont think a specific UKGTR Enna is needed....I agree that the corner cutting detection in GTR2 at Enna is a bit slack to say the least....but we are all racing under UKGTR rules,

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Each driver should endeavour to keep the full width of all their vehicle's wheels within the boundaries of the track at all times.
The track is defined as the normal road surface, which at most tracks is definied by white lines at the edge of the road, plus any painted curbs. Areas of grass, gravel, sand, and areas painted green (including so called 'grasscrete'), are not part of the track.
Cars which are not fully under the driver's control are normally exempt.
A driver who gains an advantage by breaching the previous rule must yield the advantage back to any affected car(s).
An advantage may include taking a place directly, setting up a pass, or avoiding losing a place.
Under normal circumstances the simulation's internal cut detection will be relied upon to enforce the above rules.
Moderators will not normally check these rules unless another driver submits an incident report, and are unlikely to take action unless a clear violation has been committed on a section of track which the simulation's automatic checking does not detect. Borderline cases will not result in direct action being taken against a driver.
Persistent or deliberate 'railriding' is strictly forbidden.
These rules apply in all sessions, including qualifying, even when not on a flying lap

which tell me that I would be in danger of penalties or even worse exclusion (just been reading about Monza Wink) if I blatently or persistently cut corners.

Due to the nature of this track...number of accidents etc, I'm pretty sure the Moderators will be scrutinising this area a little more closely than normal.....and of course there is still the option to submit incident reports if somebody (nobody on here....surely Cheesy) is persistently breaking the rules.
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« Reply #14 on: June 08, 2007, 05:57:54 PM +0100 »

By 'clear violation' we don't mean touching the gravel - we mean driving straight through without any attempt to follow the course of the chicane.
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