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February 27, 2023, 08:32:08 PM +0000 - Brands Hatch (GP) - UKGTL Season 23 1966 BSCC
Driver
 Team
Nat. Make Model Class Qualifying Race
Tyres Pos Time/Gap Pos Time/Gap Laps Stops Best Retirement
reason
Ballast
Daz9
 
Ford Anglia Super (#251) TC-65 D2 1 1:53.801
79.846mph
1 24:58.911
78.808mph
13 1:53.453
80.091mph
Dunlop  
SpecialKS
 TEAM-GTLDK
Alfa Romeo GTA (#956) TC-65 D2 3 +1.411
78.868mph
2 +25.347
77.497mph
13 1:55.147
78.913mph
Dunlop  
Erling G-P
 TEAM-GTLDK
Ford Mustang (#897) TC-65 D2 6 +2.398
78.198mph
3 +28.744
77.325mph
13 1:55.922
78.385mph
Dunlop  
fpolicardi
 Team7
Austin Mini Cooper 1275S (#597) TC-65 D2 4 +1.487
78.816mph
4 +31.714
77.175mph
13 1:55.584
78.615mph
Dunlop  
phspok
 Team Pseudo Racing
Ford Falcon (#872) TC-65 D2 8 +3.379
77.544mph
5 +51.330
76.198mph
13 1:56.319
78.118mph
Dunlop  
Wiltshire Tony
 Toyland Racing
Ford Anglia Super (#251) TC-65 D2 7 +3.319
77.584mph
6 +1:00.309
75.759mph
13 1:56.541
77.969mph
Dunlop  
Geoffers
 Kerb Crawlers
Ford Anglia 105E (#20) TC-65 D2 5 +1.936
78.511mph
7 +1:17.132
74.951mph
13 1:56.504
77.994mph
Dunlop  
Robby82
 Turbo Racing
Austin Mini Cooper 1275S (#590) TC-65 D2 12 +10.570
73.060mph
8 +1L
71.964mph
12 2:02.763
74.017mph
Dunlop  
seniordan
 Soggy Bottom Racers Club
FIAT Abarth 1000TC (#450) TC-65 D1 9 +4.517
76.798mph
9 +0.730
71.929mph
12 1:58.499
76.681mph
Dunlop  
Huggy
 
Ford Anglia Super (#50) TC-65 D2 11 +8.420
74.346mph
10 12 2:00.508
75.402mph
unknown
Dunlop  
EvilClive
 Blue Moose Racing
Ford Falcon (#872) TC-65 D2 2 +0.304
79.634mph
11 +2L 11 1:54.915
79.072mph
unknown
Dunlop  
PaulSS
 
Ford Anglia Super (#251) TC-65 D2 10 +5.420
76.216mph
12 +5L 8 1:58.658
76.578mph
unknown
Dunlop  

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Fastest lap

  • Daz9 — 1 plus point for fastest lap — 1 bonus point(s)

February 27, 2023, 09:22:04 PM +0000 - Brands Hatch (GP) - UKGTL Season 23 1966 BSCC
Driver
 Team
Nat. Make Model Class Qualifying Race
Tyres Pos Time/Gap Pos Time/Gap Laps Stops Best Retirement
reason
Ballast
Daz9
 
Lotus Cortina (#904) TC-65 D2 1 1:51.512
81.485mph
1 24:35.246
80.072mph
13 1:51.572
81.441mph
Dunlop  
Erling G-P
 TEAM-GTLDK
Alfa Romeo GTA (#958) TC-65 D2 2 +1.801
80.190mph
2 +17.689
79.123mph
13 1:53.640
79.959mph
Dunlop  
EvilClive
 Blue Moose Racing
Ford Falcon (#872) TC-65 D2 3 +2.508
79.693mph
3 +32.899
78.325mph
13 1:54.283
79.509mph
Dunlop  
Geoffers
 Kerb Crawlers
Ford Anglia Super (#50) TC-65 D2 4 +2.921
79.405mph
4 +33.588
78.289mph
13 1:54.571
79.310mph
Dunlop  
fpolicardi
 Team7
Austin Mini Cooper 1275S (#597) TC-65 D2 5 +3.826
78.782mph
5 +38.811
78.019mph
13 1:55.206
78.872mph
Dunlop  
Wiltshire Tony
 Toyland Racing
Ford Falcon (#872) TC-65 D2 11 +6.576
76.948mph
6 +1:02.782
76.803mph
13 1:56.243
78.169mph
Dunlop  
SpecialKS
 TEAM-GTLDK
Ford Anglia Super (#251) TC-65 D2 6 +5.067
77.944mph
7 +1:05.611
76.662mph
13 1:57.184
77.541mph
Dunlop  
phspok
 Team Pseudo Racing
Ford Anglia Super (#50) TC-65 D2 9 +6.268
77.149mph
8 +1:11.224
76.384mph
13 1:56.827
77.778mph
Dunlop  
seniordan
 Soggy Bottom Racers Club
Austin Mini Cooper 970S (#1) TC-65 D1 7 +5.913
77.382mph
9 +1:22.842
75.814mph
13 1:57.500
77.333mph
Dunlop  
PaulV
 Blue Moose Racing
Alfa Romeo GTA (#958) TC-65 D2 8 +6.267
77.149mph
10 +1:24.064
75.755mph
13 1:57.018
77.651mph
Dunlop  
Robby82
 Turbo Racing
Ford Anglia Super (#251) TC-65 D2 13 +14.755
71.963mph
11 +2L
62.252mph
11 2:03.724
73.442mph
Dunlop  
Huggy
 
Ford Anglia Super (#50) TC-65 D2 12 +10.697
74.353mph
12 +12L 1 2:12.715
68.467mph
unknown
Dunlop  
PaulSS
 
Austin Mini Cooper 970S (#1) TC-65 D1 10 +6.334
77.106mph
Excluded +1L
72.524mph
12 1:58.620
76.602mph
DQ
Dunlop  

Moderator's Report

Fastest lap

  • Daz9 — 1 plus point for fastest lap — 1 bonus point(s)


Non-available car used in race

  • PaulSS — DQ'd for using unavailable car — excluded

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« on: September 03, 2022, 12:52:07 PM +0100 »

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Track: Brands Hatch (GP)

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RACE ONE
Practice: ~19:20 (60 mins)
Qualifying: 20:20 (10 mins) Drivers must not leave qualifying to change car make
Race: 20:30 (13 laps)

RACE TWO
Practice/Car change: ~21:00 (5 mins)
Qualifying: 21:05 (10 mins) Drivers must not leave qualifying to change car make
Race: 21:15 (13 laps)

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« Reply #1 on: February 27, 2023, 07:19:41 PM +0000 »

Can't find the Hillman Imps on the server.  Am I missing something  Huh
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« Reply #2 on: February 27, 2023, 07:39:34 PM +0000 »

Description="1966 Hillman Imp"
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« Reply #3 on: February 27, 2023, 08:02:27 PM +0000 »

Description="1966 Hillman Imp"

Thanks Kurt!

Bloody confusing when I have the same two car numbers under 'Hillman Imp'.
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« Reply #4 on: February 27, 2023, 10:00:26 PM +0000 »

Sorry i missed the first race guys, but race 2 was fun. thanks

i managed a few seconds faster in personal practice, but was happy with my race times.

Im slowly getting the hang of these cars. they are awesome.

but just a couple of newbie questions.  What is a good tyre pressure/temp to aim for front and rear ? and im trying to get the car to drive better and rotate a little on and off power, but although the usual such as rollbars are helping Im struggling with the power and coast diff settings, I read online they work in reverse to GPL Huh  so which way do I shift the percentage to get more throttle on oversteer and throttle off ?

I have tried and its not as obvious as GPL which has a bigger range.  I suppose I could set the basic car settings sliders and see what "oversteering" changes do etc, etc?

Cant really seem to find out much even online.  A bit of help would be great guys.

Paul.

OK. done a bit of searching found some info Tony had put up. Diff settings by Hristo.  I will read them. does appear that they work in the opposite way to what I expected.  ?

but any ideas in plain muppet language greatfully accepted LOL .
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« Reply #5 on: February 27, 2023, 10:25:17 PM +0000 »

Results and replays now posted.

PaulSS is disqualified from Race 2 for using an unavailable car. Points received will be removed in due course.
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« Reply #6 on: February 27, 2023, 10:36:30 PM +0000 »

Diff in GTL is like it is in the real world.

More coast will make the car go straight on when you lift, less coast will turn in better, but the car
will want to swap ends into corners, or be unstable under braking.

More power diff will give you less wheelspin, but will tend to push in corners on the power
and will kick the back end out under power more, rather than spin an inside wheel.

Front drive is a bit different, coast is similar, will make it want to go straight on,  but more power diff will pull the nose round under power.
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« Reply #7 on: February 27, 2023, 11:14:27 PM +0000 »

Diff in GTL is like it is in the real world.

More coast will make the car go straight on when you lift, less coast will turn in better, but the car
will want to swap ends into corners, or be unstable under braking.

More power diff will give you less wheelspin, but will tend to push in corners on the power
and will kick the back end out under power more, rather than spin an inside wheel.

Front drive is a bit different, coast is similar, will make it want to go straight on,  but more power diff will pull the nose round under power.


Thanks.. perfect. exactly what I needed to know.  watch how this makes no absolutely no difference at all to my driving or laptimes LOL
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« Reply #8 on: February 27, 2023, 11:36:37 PM +0000 »

Perhaps. But you will feel better  Grin
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« Reply #9 on: February 28, 2023, 11:42:49 AM +0000 »

Thanks for setting out the diff values/effect so clearly Matt. I struggled in  my early days of GTL ( some say I still am!!) trying to apply GPL values week after week and getting nowhere  Undecided  .
 Just one caveat as regards diffs and all other settings IMHO.
Any effect is car related ( other than those infernal front wheel drive abominations, which should be banned ). There is not a "one size fits all" set of parameters that will work for ALL cars.
 For instance the Falcon that I drove last night requires a different approach to that for Alfa or Cortina. The power to weight ratio can have a profound effect on how the diff responds. The Alfa is a nimble and agile car that really uses the available grip through the corners, whereas the Falcon has to be wrestled into the apex and then you can exploit the raw power to throw it down the next straight. So the Alfa needs a smooth rotation under coast and nothing too dramatic under power in order to carry more speed through a corner. I find with the Falcon that I need to be quite aggressive with the coast side to force the tail to rotate early ( along with rear biased brake balance), so that I can turn on the gas with a diff that yields just the right amount of power on oversteer to push through the apex. Similarly, stamping on the gas in the Falcon is good for shortening your life expectancy and tyre life. Only feed in as much as it will handle before wheelspin robs you of maximum propulsion, whereas the Alfa ( having less pure grunt) will probably tolerate quite aggressive use of the gas pedal.

Now that I have comprehensively sabotaged the driving development of many drivers ....my thoughts about the races at Brands Hatch.  Grin
Race 1
I was rather hopeful of a Class win after quali. Daz had extracted superb pace in the SUPER Anglia, (bet he ain't that quick in the 997 slug  Wink). Given how close we were on pace and that I had qualified on full tanks ( discovered 5 spare galls after race 2!!) there might have been an opportunity in the race to sneak an outright win, but the class win was the target.
Despite abusing the tyres it still took 2 laps to get consistant slide/grip with the mighty Falcon, so I was content to follow for a lap or two keeping a safe distance....the brakes on the Falcon needed new pads I think!!! So content to tail Daz through T1 and up to Druids where the cold tyres refused to pull the nose around, so a dab of gas flicked the tail out and put a single wheel onto the grass ( I have not looked at the replay but certainly 2 wheel stayed on the grey stuff I am sure).
Message popped up " Track Limits SnG penalty" .......what?Huh  I though that we always got 3 hits and out?? Can't complain as I assume that it would have been the same for all drivers, but I was not a happy bunny. Basically race finished,just compounded the problem with a speeding infringement in Pit Lane and another Sng!! that was my fault.
Decided to run on until or if I got lapped just to get used to the Falcon, with the intention to run it again in Race 2. When Daz caught me with a lap to go I parked the car.

Race 2 was better, although I had a Lotus Cortina piloted by Daz and an Alfa with Erling in the driving seat sitting ahead of me. And, to make matters worse I had Geoffers in an Anglia and Fulkvio in a quick Mini crowding my tailpipes.
To try and chase Daz and Erling would have been suicide so I concentrated on pulling a gap to Geoff and Fulvio who were enjoying quite a battle behind, and probably slowing themselves a little in the process  Wink.
Made sure to keep Druids tight and clean and other than a moment of brain fade when I forgot to downshift AND brake all went well, I was managing the gap on the last lap as Geoffers closed in, but I was reasonably confident that Falcon Power would see me across the line in 3rd overall.

I have said it before but these mixed class races are great fun ( except for the exit of Druids!!)
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« Reply #10 on: February 28, 2023, 12:05:47 PM +0000 »

Message popped up " Track Limits SnG penalty" .......what?Huh  I though that we always got 3 hits and out?? Can't complain as I assume that it would have been the same for all drivers, but I was not a happy bunny.
I don't suppose it will make you feel better if I told you that the admin forgot to turn cuts off  whistling
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« Reply #11 on: February 28, 2023, 01:56:37 PM +0000 »

Well, at least that explains the premature SnG, but I cannot say it has lifted my mood  Undecided  The only consolation is that at least all of us were "at risk".
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« Reply #12 on: February 28, 2023, 02:44:42 PM +0000 »

Well, at least that explains the premature SnG, but I cannot say it has lifted my mood  Undecided  The only consolation is that at least all of us were "at risk".
Admin responsible has been flogged (but he seemed to enjoy it  no )
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« Reply #13 on: February 28, 2023, 02:55:25 PM +0000 »

For race 1, the Mustang proved good fun to powerslide around here.  Good acceleration at the start saw me past both Geoffers & Fulvio.  Next up was Kurt at the end of the straight, and that marked the beginning of an almost race long duel. I would pull away in all the full-power sections, while Kurt would reel me back in through the curvier bits. Finally ran wide on the penultimate lap, allowing Kurt to get past.  Sorry to take so long to make a mistake Kurt - I know how frustrating it can be to have a slower car in front that's impossible to overtake.  Thus contemplated letting both you & Fulvio past, but since it didn't affect the points you both would score, I figured "why not just race?".  With Daz up front, it wasn't like anyone else would have a shot at fastest lap, so didn't prevent anyone from setting this.

Was surprised to see Clive head for pits early on, handing me class victory (providing Matt could be kept in check).  With cuts supposedly off, I wondered if it was fuel miscalculation or jumpstart, but now we know - got a cut warning myself in race 2 in fact.  Just very puzzled about the instant S/G Clive got  Huh

Race 2 it seemed dubious I could repeat the success with the Mustang, what with Clive no doubt intent on a redress, and Tony in a Falcon as well.  Only other car I had had time to test was the Alfa. It suggested a shot at overall win & point for fastest lap might be possible, but of course thwarted by Daz when he switched to the ruddy Cortina.  Acutely aware that I had to stay ahead of Clive on L1, or suffer the same fate I had just doled out to Kurt in race 1.  Succeeded - just, when he poked his nose alongside at the end of the straight, but I could outbrake him. Next had to maximize my advantage through the curvy sections, to prevent him from having another go next lap.  After hovering around 2 secs for a few laps, the gap to Clive jumped to 5 secs, so he must have had a moment. Up front Daz was rapidly disappearing - again, so remainder of the race was lonely and rather boring, but the Alfa is still a very sweet car to drive.

Grats to all class podiums & winners, and to overall win repeat offender Daz!   Commiserations to Clive for race 1 being torpedoed by unreasonable circumstances!
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« Reply #14 on: February 28, 2023, 07:55:02 PM +0000 »

Result_Race_1

Result_Race_2

Cool


Not frustrating at all, Erling - really enjoying both races. Smiley
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